Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-05-04 Thread Viktor Szakáts
These particular jobs however aren't, yet you didn't mention original author and/or source: 2009-04-23 16:25 UTC+0100 Miguel Angel Marchuet 2009-03-02 10:24 UTC+0100 Miguel Angel Marchuet 2009-02-24 13:40 UTC+0100 Miguel Angel Marchuet 2009-02-20 13:50 UTC+0100 Miguel Angel Marchuet 2009-01-16

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-05-04 Thread Miguel Angel Marchuet
Ranier Vilela escribió: I´m a wrong or Miguel (xharbour) continue with politic "not to the credit of author"? 2009-04-24 17:49 UTC+0100 Miguel Angel Marchuet mailto:miguelan...@marchuet.net>> * include\hbapi.h * source\rtl\dateshb.c * source\rtl\set.c + Added setget function for TIMEFO

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-30 Thread Phil Barnett
Viktor Szakáts wrote: Hi Phil, You write about code, while my intent isn't to change any code license at all. My intent is to *add* license for non-code, particularly my non-code parts and future additions, these parts didn't have any license so far. Having two licenses is no problem at all,

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-28 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi Phil, You write about code, while my intent isn't to change any code license at all. My intent is to *add* license for non-code, particularly my non-code parts and future additions, these parts didn't have any license so far. Having two licenses is no problem at all, since code and non-code (do

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-28 Thread Phil Barnett
Szakáts Viktor wrote: Two better links: CC-by-sa: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ GFDL: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Brgds, Viktor On 2009.04.28., at 10:13, Viktor Szakáts wrote: I did some research and considering that ChangeLog counts as documentation (not code), I'

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-28 Thread Szakáts Viktor
Two better links: CC-by-sa: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ GFDL: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html Brgds, Viktor On 2009.04.28., at 10:13, Viktor Szakáts wrote: I did some research and considering that ChangeLog counts as documentation (not code), I've found the following

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-28 Thread Viktor Szakáts
I did some research and considering that ChangeLog counts as documentation (not code), I've found the following option for proper copyright protection for these elements of Harbour: - Creative Commons: cc-by-sa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses - FSF GFDL http://en.wikipedia.

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-27 Thread Phil Barnett
Szakáts Viktor wrote: Hi Phil, /* Copyright notice: All text in this file holds the copyright of respective authors seen in the entry headers if not indicated otherwise. Copying or other forms of usage is only permitted while giving credit to author including his/her full name, plus

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-26 Thread Szakáts Viktor
Hi Phil, /* Copyright notice: All text in this file holds the copyright of respective authors seen in the entry headers if not indicated otherwise. Copying or other forms of usage is only permitted while giving credit to author including his/her full name, plus the text "Harbour Pr

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-26 Thread Phil Barnett
Viktor Szakáts wrote: Hi Phil and All, I'm planning to add this (or similar) text to the top of our ChangeLog file: --- /* Copyright notice: All text in this file holds the copyright of respective authors seen in the entry headers if not indicated otherwise. Copying or other forms of

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-26 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi Phil and All, I'm planning to add this (or similar) text to the top of our ChangeLog file: --- /* Copyright notice: All text in this file holds the copyright of respective authors seen in the entry headers if not indicated otherwise. Copying or other forms of usage is only permitted wh

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Szakáts Viktor
20:59, Enrico Maria Giordano wrote: -Messaggio Originale- Da: "Viktor Szakáts" > A: "Harbour Project Main Developer List." project.org> Data invio: venerdì 24 aprile 2009 18.46 Oggetto: Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Enrico Maria Giordano
-Messaggio Originale- Da: "Viktor Szakáts" A: "Harbour Project Main Developer List." Data invio: venerdì 24 aprile 2009 18.46 Oggetto: Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour I see EMG already corrected it, which I

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Pritpal Bedi
Hi Angel Pais wrote: > > I hope you are refering to Miguel Angel ... > > > Pritpal Bedi escribió: >> Andi >> >> BTW when I read the Changelog entry by Angel, I too felt the >> same way as is felt by Viktor and Przemek even before these >> messages appear. What do you think what impression w

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Ranier Vilela
I´m a wrong or Miguel (xharbour) continue with politic "not to the credit of author"? 2009-04-24 17:49 UTC+0100 Miguel Angel Marchuet mailto:miguelan...@marchuet.net>> * include\hbapi.h * source\rtl\dateshb.c * source\rtl\set.c + Added setget function for TIMEFORMAT * source\rtl\tbrowse.p

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Przemyslaw Czerpak
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Andi Jahja wrote: > The following entries shows us how my idea was used in Harbour without > giving credits because "Idea Cannot Be CopyRighted". I know for sure the > codes are not mine but I can assure you that the "Idea" to implement it > in xHarbour was mine. This idea was

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Viktor Szakáts
> > Not true. Users can READ the file and WILL SEE who's codes it is (in > this case: Przemek). Users will not refers to ChangeLog to seek who > wrote the codes, but to the FILEs. Authors do, plus you never know who else does, I seek this information a lot of times, since it can give a lot of inf

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi Andi, > > The only connection to Ron and xhb is that I've read the Harbour list > > and saw the function name hb_retc[len]Adopt() in one of the messages > > (on 2002. Jan 23) which sparked the idea of implementing these new API > > functions in Harbour, without ever knowing more than these two

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Przemyslaw Czerpak
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Andi Jahja wrote: > > You missed the point, perhaps. > > The whole issue is not revolving the source file, > > but the declarations in the ChangeLog which pretends > > to the users that those changes were made by thou-self. > Not true. Users can READ the file and WILL SEE who'

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Phil Barnett
Andi Jahja wrote: This is unfair IMO, you seem to hide under the condition "IDEA CANNOT BE COPYRIGHTED" or are you declaring yourself a genius because you can "implement" other's stuff into yours without taking a look and then simply stated that it is a SIMPLE thing? :-) I am not trying to be ru

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-25 Thread Andi Jahja
The following entries shows us how my idea was used in Harbour without giving credits because "Idea Cannot Be CopyRighted". I know for sure the codes are not mine but I can assure you that the "Idea" to implement it in xHarbour was mine. This idea was first strongly rejected by Harbour developers,

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Andi Jahja
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Pritpal Bedi wrote: > You missed the point, perhaps. > The whole issue is not revolving the source file, > but the declarations in the ChangeLog which pretends > to the users that those changes were made by thou-self. Not true. Users can READ the file an

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Andi Jahja
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:25:38 +0200 Viktor Szak�ts wrote: > The only connection to Ron and xhb is that I've read the Harbour list > and saw the function name hb_retc[len]Adopt() in one of the messages > (on 2002. Jan 23) which sparked the idea of implementing these new API > functions in Harb

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Pritpal Bedi
Andi Andi Jahja-2 wrote: > > But could you please explain why it seems so important to mention such > credits while people know that the codes which were borrowed (example: > RDD stuffs), by themselves already BEAR the complainer's CopyRight. I > could immediately understand if the borrower CHA

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Andi Jahja
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:41:36 -0400 Phil Barnett wrote: > But you are correct. The gentlemanly thing to do is to give credit to > the author in downline GPL usage. I have a very limited knowledge about this stuff :-). But could you please explain why it seems so important to mention such credit

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Phil Barnett
Viktor Szakáts wrote: If the license doesn't change anything, we probably shouldn't have one at all, so I hope we agree that it's there to use it :) no offence meant. Brgds, Viktor Well, the license DOES mean something. The GPL requires that copyrights are carried forward into the borrowed c

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Reading another mail from xhb list: > 1. From day 1, the xHarbour Developers page, included this: -- You may review the complete list of the Harbour Developers on SourceForge at > http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?gr

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi Przemek, Yes, I saw your message. I've now read a few replies. Ron is probably referring to the hb_retc_buffer() and friends situation, which was developed by me in my local repository without looking into any xhb source or employing methods used there (you have to take my word for it, or look

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi Phil, > I'm considering changing all my licensed files with a new item requiring > > mention of my name when using my work, but before I do I'd like > > to sync my views with others. > > IMHO this is your right to do that but see below. > > > [ I don't even mention that among all the Harbour de

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for raising this aspect. We can say that using any of the material inside another projects in source form will need a mention of the project's name. This doesn't seem very restrictive for anyone who'd like to bundle the whole project to another one (like a Linux distro, MinGW c

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Ranier Vilela
Przemyslaw Czerpak escreveu: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Szak�ts Viktor wrote: Hi, [...] If you have any opinion on this, please add it here, before doing such action it'd be also nice to hear some xhb opinions. Below is a message I sent few hours before your one to xHarbour developer list.

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Przemyslaw Czerpak
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Szak�ts Viktor wrote: Hi, [...] > If you have any opinion on this, please add it here, before doing such > action it'd be also nice to hear some xhb opinions. Below is a message I sent few hours before your one to xHarbour developer list. I didn't know that you plan to write

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Lorenzo Fiorini
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Viktor Szakáts wrote: > If you have any opinion on this, please add it here, before doing such > action it'd be also nice to hear some xhb opinions. I understand your position but this can "potentially" create problems. IANAL but distros like Debian and Fedora re

Re: [Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Phil Krylov
Hi, On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Viktor Szakáts wrote: > I wanted to raise this topic for some time, it's a quite sad one > (especially on such a nice sunny Friday as today) so > I was holding it off, but lately Miguel Angel Marchuet again copied > work from Harbour without giving any credit

[Harbour] Some xhb developers giving no credit when copying work from Harbour

2009-04-24 Thread Viktor Szakáts
Hi All, I wanted to raise this topic for some time, it's a quite sad one (especially on such a nice sunny Friday as today) so I was holding it off, but lately Miguel Angel Marchuet again copied work from Harbour without giving any credit whatsoever to original authors. Around last month I've also f