Re: Looking for Thunderbird/Icedove

2018-04-04 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, Björn Höfling skribis: > On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 20:02:23 + > Nils Gillmann wrote: > >> The patches would apply nowhere then, I'm sending a tarball of the >> work. You can ignore the AGPL3 header, it's my default and for what I >> upstream I relicense. >> >> This is Thunderbird 52.6.0, I

Re: 01/01: gnu: Add perl-inline-c.

2018-04-04 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Ricardo Wurmus skribis: > Nils Gillmann writes: [...] >> Can you tell me why it is safer to say perl-license instead of >> package-license perl? > > Following Ludo’s reference to “(guix licenses)” we can see this comment: > > ;; The license of Perl, GPLv1+ or Artistic (we ignore the latter

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello Guix, Leo Famulari skribis: > On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 03:33:22PM -0700, Joshua Branson wrote: >> So this isn't an april fools joke? guixSD may move to systemd? > > It was a joke :) Indeed! That said, if the package can be of any use, I don’t have any objections to its inclusion, especia

Re: Looking for Thunderbird/Icedove

2018-04-04 Thread Nils Gillmann
Ludovic Courtès transcribed 1.1K bytes: > Hello, > > Björn Höfling skribis: > > > On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 20:02:23 + > > Nils Gillmann wrote: > > > >> The patches would apply nowhere then, I'm sending a tarball of the > >> work. You can ignore the AGPL3 header, it's my default and for what I > >

Python applications that are also libraries

2018-04-04 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi Guix, we have a bunch of packages that are used both as applications and as Python libraries. An example is “deeptools”. As a library we need to propagate other Python inputs; as an application this is not necessary because we have wrappers. I wonder how to deal with this. Should we assume

Re: Python applications that are also libraries

2018-04-04 Thread Hartmut Goebel
Am 04.04.2018 um 11:36 schrieb Ricardo Wurmus: > I wonder how to deal with this. Should we assume that these packages > are used as libraries and default to propagating all Python inputs? Or > should we have package variants (or outputs?) that propagate inputs as a > side-effect? If this is a "p

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2018-04-02 at 10:38 -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 11:42:16AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi and welcome to the Guix community... Thanks! > > Seeing this on April 1st I really hope it is a joke. If not I'm not > > ever going to support GNU software or a

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Martin Castillo
Hi, > And the same happens again: He does not condemn systemd, calling it Free > Software due to the GPL license. In my opinion systemd is violating one of > the 4 > freeedoms of GPL: Freedom 1 (as well as the *NIX and KISS philosophy) >   * The freedom to study how the program works, and cha

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Svante Signell
Sorry, I'm not subscribed to this list. Hopefully this reply comes in correct thread order. > Hi, > > > And the same happens again: He does not condemn systemd, calling it Free > > Software due to the GPL license. In my opinion systemd is violating one of  > > the 4 > > freeedoms of GPL: Freedom

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Thomas Sigurdsen
I have to say I also thought you maybe implied what Martin wrote. I think you have some assumptions that I don't understand or have; There definitely looks like some misunderstanding is afoot here. Technically I find systemd to be abhorent, but I don't see how it violates the four freedoms. Pleas

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Mark H Weaver
Hi Svante, Svante Signell writes: > And the same happens again: He does not condemn systemd, calling it Free > Software due to the GPL license. In my opinion systemd is violating one of > the 4 > freeedoms of GPL: Freedom 1 (as well as the *NIX and KISS philosophy) >   * The freedom to stud

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Mark H Weaver
Svante Signell writes: > It's really time for a re-definition of Free Software, not only basing such > definitions solely on the license at hand. It is also a matter of freedoms of > the users of software. The Free Software Definition is already expressed in terms of the freedoms of the users of

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi all, I think that discussions about systemd, the stated or suspected motivations of its developers, and how it relates to free software are not really on-topic for this list. For discussions of the implications for developers of GNU+Linux distributions that are currently using systemd, and wh

Re: Python applications that are also libraries

2018-04-04 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hartmut Goebel writes: > Am 04.04.2018 um 11:36 schrieb Ricardo Wurmus: >> I wonder how to deal with this. Should we assume that these packages >> are used as libraries and default to propagating all Python inputs? Or >> should we have package variants (or outputs?) that propagate inputs as a

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Nils Gillmann
Memory might serve me wrong, but I think we had such a april's fool in the last years before and it backfired equally *and* we agreed on not doing it again? Would be good if people had more sense for spotting sarcasm and humor, but not everyone has this.

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Tomáš Čech
Hello, On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 02:49:51PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: ... And the same happens again: He does not condemn systemd, calling it Free Software due to the GPL license. In my opinion systemd is violating one of the 4 freeedoms of GPL: Freedom 1 (as well as the *NIX and KISS philosop

Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

2018-04-04 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Nils Gillmann writes: > Memory might serve me wrong, but I think we had such a april's fool > in the last years before and it backfired equally *and* we agreed > on not doing it again? I don’t think this happened. I only found one in 2014: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2014-

Re: Looking for Thunderbird/Icedove

2018-04-04 Thread Björn Höfling
On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:14:53 -0400 Mark H Weaver wrote: > No promises, but I'll try to find time in the next few days to make an > attempt at an Icedove package. As de-facto maintainer of the IceCat > package in Guix, I suppose that I'm well-positioned to work on this, > and I certainly agree th

Treating tests as special case

2018-04-04 Thread Pjotr Prins
Last night I was watching Rich Hickey's on Specs and deployment. It is a very interesting talk in many ways, recommended. He talks about tests at 1:02 into the talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLBGkS5ICk and he gave me a new insight which rang immediately true. He said: what is the point

WIP-packages (Was: Looking for Thunderbird/Icedove)

2018-04-04 Thread Björn Höfling
On Wed, 04 Apr 2018 10:34:10 +0200 l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote: > Maybe one of you can post the current patch to guix-patches and people > can then work from there? (There’s already a few WIP patches at > https://bugs.gnu.org/guix-patches and I think it’s a fine way to let > people know

Re: Treating tests as special case

2018-04-04 Thread Gábor Boskovits
2018-04-05 7:24 GMT+02:00 Pjotr Prins : > Last night I was watching Rich Hickey's on Specs and deployment. It is > a very interesting talk in many ways, recommended. He talks about > tests at 1:02 into the talk: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLBGkS5ICk > > and he gave me a new insight whi

Re: Treating tests as special case

2018-04-04 Thread Björn Höfling
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 07:24:39 +0200 Pjotr Prins wrote: > Last night I was watching Rich Hickey's on Specs and deployment. It is > a very interesting talk in many ways, recommended. He talks about > tests at 1:02 into the talk: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLBGkS5ICk > > and he gave me a