Re: grammar usage

2017-03-18 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Mathieu, Mathieu Lirzin skribis: > Ricardo Wurmus writes: [...] >> Thank you, Andy. I agree with everything you wrote, in particular how >> this relates to our goal of creating a welcoming environment, which is a >> main task for maintainers. > > Could you tell us what this maintainer tas

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 05:13:49PM +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: No. John, I find you very rude in this thread. Please stop dismissing as ???reproachful, judgemental, censorious, or sanctimonious??? anyone who dares correct your unsolicited incorrections. Yelling ???

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Mathieu Lirzin
Hello Ricardo, Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Andy Wingo writes: > > […] > >> I understand you feel this way, however to others the effect is >> important. To trans and non-binary people, being at the receiving end >> of a stream of misgenderings (intentional or not) is a constant >> irritation, rem

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
No. John, I find you very rude in this thread. Please stop dismissing as ‘reproachful, judgemental, censorious, or sanctimonious’ anyone who dares correct your unsolicited incorrections. Yelling ‘DON'T BRING IT UP’ when they address your behaviour isn't helping your case either. Everyone's allowi

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:58:43PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: Thank you, Andy. I agree with everything you wrote, in particular how this relates to our goal of creating a welcoming environment, which is a main task for maintainers. I am all for creating a welcoming en

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Andy Wingo writes: […] > I understand you feel this way, however to others the effect is > important. To trans and non-binary people, being at the receiving end > of a stream of misgenderings (intentional or not) is a constant > irritation, reminding them that they are not welcome in that part

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread ng0
John Darrington transcribed 2.2K bytes: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:57:09AM +0100, Andy Wingo wrote: > Hello John, > > Hello Andy, > > Misgendering a guix contributor is rude. > > If deliberate, I agree that misgendering anyone, guix contributor or not, > would > be rude. So

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi, I agree that we need to drop this subject. This will be my last mail in this thread as well. On Fri 17 Mar 2017 12:12, John Darrington writes: > Sometime ago, due to a misunderstanding I received a series of emails > addressing me as Frau Darrington. I did not feel offended or insulted >

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:57:09AM +0100, Andy Wingo wrote: Hello John, Hello Andy, Misgendering a guix contributor is rude. If deliberate, I agree that misgendering anyone, guix contributor or not, would be rude. So I have never done so. On the grand scale of things it

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
Hello John, Misgendering a guix contributor is rude. On the grand scale of things it is worse than what you perceive to be misuse of language. Continuing to advocate for your idea on what good English is is unwelcome behavior, especially when this advocacy ignores the issue of misgendering. And

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:42:10AM +, ng0 wrote: Respecting people is more important than correct grammar. I agree. So please afford me a little respect. My choice of pronoun for myself is they/them. I'm not picking strawman arguments here, all I wanted to express i

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread ng0
John Darrington transcribed 2.9K bytes: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:08:04AM +, ng0 wrote: > John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes: > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the > gender

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:08:04AM +, ng0 wrote: John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender and/or > prefered pronoun of a person :)

grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread ng0
John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender > and/or > prefered pronoun of a person :) > > > ... according to some. - but most linguists, and many orators (the