John,
> * I am not playing a game - I think this is very serious.
> * I have not breached the code of conduct (at your request I have just read
> it again).
> * I am trying my *utmost* to act with restraint and consideration in the face
> of persistent provocation.
> * I have said on several
ng0 transcribed 1.3K bytes:
> John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes:
> > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:17:08PM +, ng0 wrote:
> > Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
> >
> > Is it? I didn't know that. I thought it just came from the latin,
> > (or greek or whatever): tra
John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:17:08PM +, ng0 wrote:
> Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
>
> Is it? I didn't know that. I thought it just came from the latin,
> (or greek or whatever): trans meaning "across" and "vestment" cloth
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:17:08PM +, ng0 wrote:
Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
Is it? I didn't know that. I thought it just came from the latin,
(or greek or whatever): trans meaning "across" and "vestment" clothing.
It certainly wasn't a slur when I first learn
Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
To find out why doesn't take very long to search, but for completion:
https://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-the-nine-anti-trans-slurs-we-should-avoid-20110620
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:14:45AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
I'm trying to draw this thread to a close as I genuinely believe that
neither side intends malice:
- John genuinely does not see how his statements can very easily be
interpreted as highly disrespectful
May I suggest that those who think “singular they” should not be used
just avoid non-gender neutral pronouns and use proper nouns, i.e. names,
instead? I believe there is no other alternative.
Regards,
Florian
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Hello,
I'm trying to draw this thread to a close as I genuinely believe that
neither side intends malice:
- John genuinely does not see how his statements can very easily be
interpreted as highly disrespectful and even mocking
- myself and others genuinely do not want to bear down on individuals b
dian_ce...@zoho.com writes:
> For anyone who reads older books, mankind as a whole used to be refered
> to as "he", and while one can certainly make an issue out of that (and
> I'm sure plenty of people have), it does also set a precedent for using
> the male gender as a gender-neutral option, wh
First of all, I have no clue why my email was explicitly listed in the
CC:; I'll assume that was in error.
Second, it is not my intention to insult or offend anyone here, but
some people seem to be rather thin-skinned about (possibly pretend)
slights. However, I feel I should toss my hat into the
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 04:49:13PM +0100, Ludovic Court??s wrote:
John, people have explained things at length already; you can re-read
the project???s code of conduct if in doubt. This isn???t up for debate.
Please stop playing this game right now.
Ludo,
* I am not pla
John Darrington skribis:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:09:33AM -0500, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> John Darrington writes:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> > ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:09:33AM -0500, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
John Darrington writes:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to by
> a partcular set of pronoun
John Darrington writes:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to by
> a partcular set of pronouns I will attempt to do so, but may occasionally
> forget if that person wants feminine pronouns and
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 03:27:48PM +0100, Ludovic Court??s wrote:
Howdy!
John Darrington skribis:
> As I recall, their request was that I always use "singular they" and
never to
> mention other possible alternatives to anyone. I acknowledge their
request and
Howdy!
John Darrington skribis:
> As I recall, their request was that I always use "singular they" and never to
> mention other possible alternatives to anyone. I acknowledge their request
> and
> recognise their every right to make it. But I feel no obligation to comply
> with
> their req
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:53:38PM +0100, Pjotr Prins wrote:
Erm. Despite the obvious intelligence of all Guix participants I think
we ought to stick to technical issues on this mailing list (i.e.,
guix-technical).
Maybe we can fork these recent discussions to guix-ethica
Pjotr Prins transcribed 0.4K bytes:
> Erm. Despite the obvious intelligence of all Guix participants I think
> we ought to stick to technical issues on this mailing list (i.e.,
> guix-technical).
>
> Maybe we can fork these recent discussions to guix-ethical or
> guix-culture? We all have good in
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
My intention was to call-back to my impression of other parts of this
conversation where it seemed you were point-blank refusing to
acknowledge ng0's request.
As I recall, their request was that I always use "sin
Erm. Despite the obvious intelligence of all Guix participants I think
we ought to stick to technical issues on this mailing list (i.e.,
guix-technical).
Maybe we can fork these recent discussions to guix-ethical or
guix-culture? We all have good intentions, that is the general
assumption! But I
John Darrington writes:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:28AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
>
> Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on singular they, but I hope we can
> still agree on the following statements from my earlier email:
>
> I agree to a slightly edited version:
>
>
2017-03-20 11:44 GMT+01:00 John Darrington :
>
> There is a broad concensus that Donald Trump, Rodrigo Duterte and
> Recep Erdogan are awesome.However I do not agree.
>
It seems to me that, on some issues you perfectly agree with those three.
2017-03-20 7:36 GMT+01:00 John Darrington :
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
> Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> > The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> > without knowing t
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:28AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on singular they, but I hope we can
still agree on the following statements from my earlier email:
I agree to a slightly edited version:
-
[...] som
John Darrington writes:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 09:57:04AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
> >
> > ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to
> by
> > a partcular set of pronouns I will attempt to do so, but may
> occasionally
> > forget if t
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 09:57:04AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
>
> ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to by
> a partcular set of pronouns I will attempt to do so, but may occasionally
> forget if that person wants feminine pronouns and is
John Darrington writes:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
> Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> > The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> > without knowing them. Singular they
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> without knowing them. Singular they isn't your only option; I also
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> without knowing them. Singular they isn't your only option; I also
> happen to like Spivak pronouns:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun
The pr
Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hi there,
>
> Gentlefolks, please everyone calm down. Being rude or insulting to
> fellow hackers is not acceptable on the project’s communication
> channels, period. When you feel unable to express your disagreement in
> a constructive and respectful manner, please del
Hi,
skribis:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:43:20 +0100
> l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote:
>> Besides, while I appreciate it when native English speakers provide
>> corrections and guidance, I think we as a project must tolerate
>> English mistakes in our communication. The reason for this is ve
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 08:47:17AM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
Are there any guidelines as to what parts of English one should avoid
using in documentation?
There are some such guidlines. See:
https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Documentation
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:43:20 +0100
l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote:
> Besides, while I appreciate it when native English speakers provide
> corrections and guidance, I think we as a project must tolerate
> English mistakes in our communication. The reason for this is very
> simple: most contr
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