John,
> * I am not playing a game - I think this is very serious.
> * I have not breached the code of conduct (at your request I have just read
> it again).
> * I am trying my *utmost* to act with restraint and consideration in the face
> of persistent provocation.
> * I have said on several
ng0 transcribed 1.3K bytes:
> John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes:
> > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:17:08PM +, ng0 wrote:
> > Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
> >
> > Is it? I didn't know that. I thought it just came from the latin,
> > (or greek or whatever): tra
John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:17:08PM +, ng0 wrote:
> Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
>
> Is it? I didn't know that. I thought it just came from the latin,
> (or greek or whatever): trans meaning "across" and "vestment" cloth
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:17:08PM +, ng0 wrote:
Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
Is it? I didn't know that. I thought it just came from the latin,
(or greek or whatever): trans meaning "across" and "vestment" clothing.
It certainly wasn't a slur when I first learn
Word of advice: don't use 'transvestite'. It's a slur.
To find out why doesn't take very long to search, but for completion:
https://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-the-nine-anti-trans-slurs-we-should-avoid-20110620
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:14:45AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
I'm trying to draw this thread to a close as I genuinely believe that
neither side intends malice:
- John genuinely does not see how his statements can very easily be
interpreted as highly disrespectful
May I suggest that those who think “singular they” should not be used
just avoid non-gender neutral pronouns and use proper nouns, i.e. names,
instead? I believe there is no other alternative.
Regards,
Florian
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Hello,
I'm trying to draw this thread to a close as I genuinely believe that
neither side intends malice:
- John genuinely does not see how his statements can very easily be
interpreted as highly disrespectful and even mocking
- myself and others genuinely do not want to bear down on individuals b
dian_ce...@zoho.com writes:
> For anyone who reads older books, mankind as a whole used to be refered
> to as "he", and while one can certainly make an issue out of that (and
> I'm sure plenty of people have), it does also set a precedent for using
> the male gender as a gender-neutral option, wh
First of all, I have no clue why my email was explicitly listed in the
CC:; I'll assume that was in error.
Second, it is not my intention to insult or offend anyone here, but
some people seem to be rather thin-skinned about (possibly pretend)
slights. However, I feel I should toss my hat into the
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 04:49:13PM +0100, Ludovic Court??s wrote:
John, people have explained things at length already; you can re-read
the project???s code of conduct if in doubt. This isn???t up for debate.
Please stop playing this game right now.
Ludo,
* I am not pla
John Darrington skribis:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:09:33AM -0500, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> John Darrington writes:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> > ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:09:33AM -0500, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
John Darrington writes:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to by
> a partcular set of pronoun
John Darrington writes:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to by
> a partcular set of pronouns I will attempt to do so, but may occasionally
> forget if that person wants feminine pronouns and
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 03:27:48PM +0100, Ludovic Court??s wrote:
Howdy!
John Darrington skribis:
> As I recall, their request was that I always use "singular they" and
never to
> mention other possible alternatives to anyone. I acknowledge their
request and
Howdy!
John Darrington skribis:
> As I recall, their request was that I always use "singular they" and never to
> mention other possible alternatives to anyone. I acknowledge their request
> and
> recognise their every right to make it. But I feel no obligation to comply
> with
> their req
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:53:38PM +0100, Pjotr Prins wrote:
Erm. Despite the obvious intelligence of all Guix participants I think
we ought to stick to technical issues on this mailing list (i.e.,
guix-technical).
Maybe we can fork these recent discussions to guix-ethica
Pjotr Prins transcribed 0.4K bytes:
> Erm. Despite the obvious intelligence of all Guix participants I think
> we ought to stick to technical issues on this mailing list (i.e.,
> guix-technical).
>
> Maybe we can fork these recent discussions to guix-ethical or
> guix-culture? We all have good in
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
My intention was to call-back to my impression of other parts of this
conversation where it seemed you were point-blank refusing to
acknowledge ng0's request.
As I recall, their request was that I always use "sin
Erm. Despite the obvious intelligence of all Guix participants I think
we ought to stick to technical issues on this mailing list (i.e.,
guix-technical).
Maybe we can fork these recent discussions to guix-ethical or
guix-culture? We all have good intentions, that is the general
assumption! But I
John Darrington writes:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:28AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
>
> Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on singular they, but I hope we can
> still agree on the following statements from my earlier email:
>
> I agree to a slightly edited version:
>
>
2017-03-20 11:44 GMT+01:00 John Darrington :
>
> There is a broad concensus that Donald Trump, Rodrigo Duterte and
> Recep Erdogan are awesome.However I do not agree.
>
It seems to me that, on some issues you perfectly agree with those three.
2017-03-20 7:36 GMT+01:00 John Darrington :
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
> Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> > The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> > without knowing t
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:28AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on singular they, but I hope we can
still agree on the following statements from my earlier email:
I agree to a slightly edited version:
-
[...] som
John Darrington writes:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 09:57:04AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
> >
> > ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to
> by
> > a partcular set of pronouns I will attempt to do so, but may
> occasionally
> > forget if t
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 09:57:04AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
>
> ... and yes. If an individual specifically requests to be referred to by
> a partcular set of pronouns I will attempt to do so, but may occasionally
> forget if that person wants feminine pronouns and is
John Darrington writes:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
> Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> > The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> > without knowing them. Singular they
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 07:57:07PM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> without knowing them. Singular they isn't your only option; I also
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:40:27 -0500
Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> The important thing is to not assume someone's preferred pronouns
> without knowing them. Singular they isn't your only option; I also
> happen to like Spivak pronouns:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun
The pr
Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hi there,
>
> Gentlefolks, please everyone calm down. Being rude or insulting to
> fellow hackers is not acceptable on the project’s communication
> channels, period. When you feel unable to express your disagreement in
> a constructive and respectful manner, please del
Hi,
skribis:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:43:20 +0100
> l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote:
>> Besides, while I appreciate it when native English speakers provide
>> corrections and guidance, I think we as a project must tolerate
>> English mistakes in our communication. The reason for this is ve
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 08:47:17AM -0700, dian_ce...@zoho.com wrote:
Are there any guidelines as to what parts of English one should avoid
using in documentation?
There are some such guidlines. See:
https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Documentation
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:43:20 +0100
l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote:
> Besides, while I appreciate it when native English speakers provide
> corrections and guidance, I think we as a project must tolerate
> English mistakes in our communication. The reason for this is very
> simple: most contr
Hi there,
Gentlefolks, please everyone calm down. Being rude or insulting to
fellow hackers is not acceptable on the project’s communication
channels, period. When you feel unable to express your disagreement in
a constructive and respectful manner, please delay your reply until you
can do that.
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