Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread HiPhish
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Gábor Boskovits wrote: > 3. GKCG seems to be inadequate in the opinion of the maintainers, as: > a. it does not define acceptable behaviour, and > b. it does not define processes. To be honest, neither does the CC really. It throws out a vague list, but never goe

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-28 Thread Laura Lazzati
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Gábor Boskovits wrote: > > Hello Laura, > > Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. > okt. 28., V, 20:15): > > > First, we need to know which have the highest priorities, the > > promoting, the howtos, and belonging to which topic(s). And in case > > both (the ones

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Alex Griffin
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Tonton wrote: > It seems to me you are making punishment way bigger than it actually is. Think about it this way. The Contributor Covenant goes on about the many different ways that a disagreement might escalate, while the Debian CoC spends almost all of its tim

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 28/10/2018 20.50, Alex Griffin wrote: From sentence 1 of the Contributor Covenant: In the interest of fostering an open and welcoming environment, we as contributors and maintainers pledge to [...] This snippet right here is a problem even before we get to the meat and potatoes. I don't app

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 28/10/2018 13.33, Gábor Boskovits wrote: 1. There is general consensus that having both CoC and GKCG is pointless. ACK 2. CoC is not welcome by all, mainly because they feel that it discourages contributions. That's a somewhat limited and tame take on it ;) You may count me as having con

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Alex Griffin
In a sense, the Debian Code of Conduct is a code in name only. It's really just 6 guidelines for kind communication and resolving conflicts peacefully, and finally a method for seeking recourse either as a last resort or in serious cases. The Contributor Covenant is actually a real covenant. --

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-28 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Laura, Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 28., V, 20:15): > First, we need to know which have the highest priorities, the > promoting, the howtos, and belonging to which topic(s). And in case > both (the ones "promoting" as well as the "howtos" are equally needed, > I believe that

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Alex Griffin
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Tonton wrote: > It seems to me you are making punishment way bigger than it actually is. The CoC actually says that maintainers have a responsibility to remove offenders or risk being removed themselves. In contrast the Debian Code of Conduct says: > While this

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-28 Thread Laura Lazzati
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:13 AM Gábor Boskovits wrote: > > Hello Laura, > > Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. > okt. 28., V, 2:33): > > > > Hi! > > I have some ideas, suggestions and questions, based on this two videos > > that someone replied in one thread of mails when I was first getting

Re: [outreachy] Further steps

2018-10-28 Thread Laura Lazzati
Hi! On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 5:36 AM Gábor Boskovits wrote: > > Hello Laura, > > Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. > okt. 28., V, 2:52): > > > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:06 PM Ricardo Wurmus > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Laura, > > > > > > >> > > I would like you to come up with an initia

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Tonton
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:37:32 -0500 Alex Griffin wrote: > > An interesting element here is that many of the > > harrassers don't seem to understand that they are harrassing. > > I'm so glad you brought this up, because it seems equally plausible to me > that the other party could be reacting o

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Alex Griffin
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Gábor Boskovits wrote: > I proposed to try to roll our own, essentially based on GKCG, > but have the acceptable behaviour and the processes defined. > > Do you think this can/should be done? > Do you think that this could result in a better situation overall? It

Re: mismatch of source tar ball hash

2018-10-28 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Marco, Marco van Hulten ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 28., V, 15:50): > > update— > > Je 28 okt 12:23 skribis Marco: > > Hi— > > > > When I try to install calcurse, the hash of the downloaded file is > > different from the one specified in the package: > > [...] > > I happened to find the s

Re: mismatch of source tar ball hash

2018-10-28 Thread Marco van Hulten
update— Je 28 okt 12:23 skribis Marco: > Hi— > > When I try to install calcurse, the hash of the downloaded file is > different from the one specified in the package: > [...] I happened to find the same tar ball that I downloaded on 5 April 2018. As this is quite some time ago, my *guess* is tha

mismatch of source tar ball hash

2018-10-28 Thread Marco van Hulten
Hi— When I try to install calcurse, the hash of the downloaded file is different from the one specified in the package: marco@graviton ~$ guix package --fallback -i calcurse The following package will be installed: calcurse 4.3.0 /gnu/store/a77ap0vw0fnsz138paby8w55rlcd58zi-calcurse-4.3

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread Gábor Boskovits
I have a feeling that I might confuse some things, as this thread is getting rather long, so let me summarize what I have on my mind so far: 1. There is general consensus that having both CoC and GKCG is pointless. 2. CoC is not welcome by all, mainly because they feel that it discourages contribu

Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?

2018-10-28 Thread HiPhish
I have had two packages merged, which I guess that makes me technically a contributor, so here is my takes on the issue. In my opinion Codes of Conduct (or CoCs in short) are one of the worst things that have happened in recent years to Free and Open Source projects (hold that though, I will addre

Re: GNU Guix Video Documentation

2018-10-28 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Laura, Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 28., V, 2:33): > > Hi! > I have some ideas, suggestions and questions, based on this two videos > that someone replied in one thread of mails when I was first getting > in touch with the community. > [1] > https://media.libreplanet.org/u/l

Re: [outreachy] Further steps

2018-10-28 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello Laura, Laura Lazzati ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 28., V, 2:52): > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:06 PM Ricardo Wurmus > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Laura, > > > > >> > > I would like you to come up with an initial proposal, and then > > >> > > iterate on that. > > >> > Ok, I have the initial Out