e.in ,
etc.
Is there any autoconf/automake guru out there
willing to help me get this right?
Discussion can be found at
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>
> On Thu, Apr 16 2015 at 08:23:21 PM, Mike Bianchi wrote:
> > I've been dealing with updates to contrib/gmkdiff within groff, and there
> > is an issue that I could use some help with ...
> >
> > Over the years, the bash-isms of the original shell s
;#ifndef foo"
> print "."
> next
> }
>
> END {
> print "w\nq"
> }
> ' >foo.ed
> cat foo.ed
> echo
>
> sed -i '/^\t=/d' foo.ed
> ed -s foo.new
> diff <(diff -Dfoo foo bar) foo.new && echo ok
> --8<--snip--
>
> It's not had much testing as I've just knocked it up, but it shows the
> idea. And you might want to ditch the cpp commands and switch to
> something that's nicer to handle in the rest of the script. Or maybe do
> the .mk-up directly.
>
> Cheers, Ralph.
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agine themselves to be experts in groff _and_ the macro packages.
I am one such person, and have many sad tails to tell of my ignorance.
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, it would involve making the warning
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" documents they once were.
Occasionally I use the hack of extracting the PostScript with pdf2ps(1)
and then use ps2pdf12(1) to turn it back into PDF.
I've no idea why it works; it is just a lazy get-around.
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d i am trying to use the ".1C" macro.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Marisa
Try changing .1C to .DS and add the line
.DE
at the bottom.
Does that get closer to what you want?
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cat manual.ps | gv /dev/stdin
gv: Cannot open file /dev/stdin (No data available)
cat manual.ps | ( sleep 1; gv /dev/stdin )
gv: Cannot open file /dev/stdin (No data available)
I suspect a funny race condition involving pipes.
All my shell code using gv employ files na
he real fix please?
> .\" Finish of example
>
> Regards - Damian
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> .TE
> or
> .H 2 "Another Heading"
> .DS 0
> .\" some display which needs to be done literally
> .
> .DE
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the content.
So I have used [ntg]roff all these years because I can concentrate on the
content. The presentation (once I've picked and implemented a style) takes
care of itself.
I even use an nroff filter I wrote in the 1980s on my outgoing e-mail for
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d.pdf
or
troff-revised.pdf
Are you referring to the 1992 version by Brian Kernighan?
THAT I can find.
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ong ago I developed the habit of putting lines consisting of only a .
wherever I wanted some white-space to help my understanding of the document
content as opposed to the formated document appearance. It sometimes makes
editing the groff input much easier.
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> .tc -
> Bob Williams\t3/3/56\t(999) 555-
> .fi
> .P
> A sentence to end the example.
>
>
> I get a result with everything smashed together, as if the "\t"s weren't
> there at all.
>
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
>
inally did, and \(pl and \(mi come
> from the the current font per the previous paragraph, they
> become redundant.
>
> So I remain confused.
>
> Doug
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to gain support. :-)
> How to produce it is the issue.
Absolutely. I propose
wc -l
if - was \N'45' It would make sense for future generations. As a first
generation UNIX citizen it is interesting to contemplate how much longer the
man pages groff documents will be relevant.
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complicated than
_I_ would like. Typing \(hy for hyphen would have been a heavy burden,
especially in the absence of the .char groff extension.
Probably the best solution available now is fixing any incorrect documentation
so as to speak truth.
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utf8 foo
?
see man 1 groff :
-k Preprocess with preconv . ...
-s Preprocess with soelim .
That way groff knows the crucial ordering, etc.
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Woops.
Never mind.
Mike
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:08:29PM -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 05:00:37PM +0200, E. Hoffmann wrote:
> > Am Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:28:04 -0400
> > schrieb
convert just
because a "better way" comes along.
Remember when the "modern" way to archive was to put everything onto
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. The order of the checks I perform are:
BOM
UTF-8
UTF-16 (newline)
UTF-16 (null distribution)
:
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089 09814 08943 098431 0894132 0
= = = = = = = = = =
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On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:43:40AM -0400, Doug McIlroy wrote:
> The Fedora system I have access to lacks /usr/share/doc/groff, and
> in particular the wonderful tutorial /usr/share/doc/groff/pic.ps.
On Debian 8
locate pic.ps
returns
/usr/share/doc/groff-base/pic.ps.gz
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> for making slides.
>
> Enjoy,
> Bob
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useful/gpresent/
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> > eqn as part of the inline equation delimeters set beforehand with `delim
> > $$'. Moving the `.de $c' definition to before the `.EQ' to `.EN' block
> > would seem the simplest solution.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers, Ralph.
> > https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy
> >
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Sans), so I guess it's somewhat of an
> "official" rendering, although the coordinates are probably
> munged a bit as a result of embedding in the PDF.
>
>
> .\"
> .\"
> .char \(bs \X'ps: import ATa
&chips=q:bell+system+logo,g_3:vintage
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e a Z macro package containing both Z_Aroff.tmac and Z_Broff.tmac
is something to be hope for.
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the ideas
and features available in Plan 9 Troff, Heirloom Troff, and Groff.
He has an ambitious hobby :)
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 03:58:33PM -0400, Steve Izma wrote:
> When I write, I only want to think about the words ...
> and the structure of my argument ...
May I add a big Amen!
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here a path by which the confusions such as these can be
avoided in the design and implementation of C-like language?
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ki/Const_(computer_programming)
:
:
I was wrong. Those two lines _are_ identical.
The example code I lifted even illustrated that.
const int *ptrToConst; //identical to: int const *ptrToConst,
My apologies to [groff].
((more to come))
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switches in postscript output via man -Tps:
>
> man -Tps groff | sed 's:/minus:/hyphen:g' > groff.ps
>:
Hummm ...
How about a character named
asciiminusU+002D
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rnal_name] [-i n] [-o output_file] afm_file
> > map_file
> > +font_name
>
> :
> :
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appearance quickly realized the value of separating the
those two concerns.
The prevalence of What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get documentation ("... Is All You
Get": Brian Kernighan) has hidden the possibilities from the popular mind.
It is good to see the idea of computing documents being rediscovered.
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could add a "Tricks and Techniques" section that would
collect gems such as this one.
or
maybe add this trick to
www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/html_node/Manipulating-Hyphenation.html
It, and many like it, deserve a better fate than &qu
d a footnote reference to "Edition 1.22.4".
That way this could become a living document! A perpetual current resource!
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be useful. Mom macros
> really need the documentation that's in the html/pdf docs. It's
> enough for the manpage to give the entry points, IMO.
>
> Since groff_mom(7) isn't actually my baby, I'm asking for opinions
> before I go ahead.
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). I don't recall any place where this was all written down
in an orderly fashion, though it's interesting and maybe some enthusiast
could take it on. Maybe Doug McIlroy remembers -- he did a roff-like
program, as did I, and several others.
Brian
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be
changed via a personalized configuration file. Say .groff-Ttxt.rc .
Just don't go changing the definition of existing groff options such that
what was rendered yesterday is different to what rendered today.
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rogrammers had their favorites; document writers theirs.
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have the technology.
www.nkkswitches.com/nkk-smartswitch-lcd-36-x-24-pushbutton-display-enhanced-accommodate-low-voltage/
Certainly an extension keypad of programmable glyph keys would be doable!)
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(unshift ") with straight and angled glyphs.
Once again, is anyone working on a UTF-8/Unicode keyboard?
I see a need coming.
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t;
> .SH NAME
>
> .
>
> I could not find this in the groff manual. It seems to do nothing.
> Any ideas ?
>
> re,
> wh
>
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tranported from one
> table line to a later one or even to another table.
>
> Code size: 130 lines of perl
>
> Limitations: Multiline table enties are not supported.
>
> If there is interest, I'll post the script and an example.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> ulrich lauther
>
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any languages where they exist.
As to groff, et. al., they are stable enough that any translations would remain
useful, especially for those approaching them for the first time.
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he two.
>
> Before I go fishing for the problem, has anybody else experienced this and
> have a fix?
>
> Thanks - Damian
>
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at C would be greatly improved if it just added:
Strings as first-class objects
(instead of a collection of array side effects)
Hardened memory management
Hardened pointer management
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h a different terminal interface.
Or a dialog interface.
So my question is does any have experience with a terminal
walk-the-decision-tree interface they like?
Could it serve as a model for info2 ?
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I nominate Brian Kernighan.
Mike Bianchi
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:30:21PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Doug McIlroy :
> > Please excuse my antediluvian hangover.
>
> *snort*
>
> If I had to make a list of the
y ship.
See
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n into trouble, but it would have been a more easily understood
> trouble.
>
> What do folks think?
>
> Regards,
> Branden
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occasionally, see. I think UTF-8 encoding may be such.
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Bjarni,
Nice, tight analysis and proposed solutions. Thank you.
Mike Bianchi
On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 11:58:01PM +, Bjarni Ingi Gislason wrote:
snip
> 1) The missing part is information.
> Solution:
> a)
Bench
was happening and in one of the first groups to do our PL/I code development on
a UNIX PWB machine that took the place of a card puncher, punch card reader and
printer. Said another way, it was a work environment making use of a new
Bell Labs innovation. It led into a career.
> �: The New Hacker's Dictionary definition of RL is "Real life"
>(http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/R/RL.html)
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c that starts with
> something like `mso mm`.
That is the equivalent.
In the UNIX/Linux world there are many correct solutions.
Enjoy the journey!
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ed. Isn't
> it sad that nothing more modern is available?
>
> Greg
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> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
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at about “upstart" scripting languages such as Perl or Python?
>
> OK, that’s all I have, and I’m up way past bedtime. Does anyone else have
> ideas about
> what should be in an updated UTP?
>
> — Larry
>
> ---
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hat you wrote your first tutorial
> for using the antecedents of groff more than half your lifetime ago!
OK! Everyone line up in the order of their first exposure to *roff.
Mr McIlroy all the way on the right ...
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Doug McIlroy.
tx
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ldn’t matter much. My college roommate sent me a book he wrote
> in -mm, back in the 80s, and I got Groff to format it by adding “\&” to
> the beginning (he had a custom cover). The same should apply to -ms
> documents.
>
> If we want to support data archaeologists, maybe we should write a
> separate document for them. :D
>
> — Larry
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>
> This is a minimal version of the last example from the tbl document that
> reproduces the funny behavior. It breaks the line as in the source, but the
> table grows beyond the page and doesn't stay as nice as seen e.g. on the troff
> FAQ or when using groff -Tpdf -t -ms. Am
so it is maybe a bug in
> > groff? Also both heirloom and neatroff show name and tile in bold,
> > whereas groff only shows the name an does not do so in bold.
> >
> > Maybe someone with more experience in roff can explain what goes wrong.
> >
> > Sincerly,
> >
> > Andreas Eder
> >
> >
> >
> >
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OC once the requirements
> have been set.
>
> Has this already been studied? Would this be an initiative you
> would support?
>
> Best regards,
> JM Marcastel
>
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gisters or strings!
>
> For an example of an advanced document written with mu, see
> http://git.ankarstrom.se/mu/plain/README.pdf.
>
> I hope you find it interesting and perhaps even useful. Feel free to
> write any questions or feedback.
>
> Best regards
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uilt-in troff macros are two letters (or more). So
> if you see a one-letter macro, it's definitely a macro and not a
> standard troff request.
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My ability to send e-mail to groff@gnu.org was broken.
It should now be fixed.
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d everything works.
>
> Is this what I should expect?
>
> Clarke
Yes, it is what you should expect.
The \f2 and \^ are processed before the argument is passed to H3 .
You could place the \& in front of the \\$1 inside the macro so you
don't have to remember about the
llowing ...
\" Beginning of a comment. Everything up to the end of the line is
ignored.
\# Everything up to and including the next newline is ignored.
This is interpreted in copy mode. This is like \" except that
the t
n groff(7) .
It shouldn't take both .fp and .ftr to make the change but
looking into the /usr/share/groff/1.18.1/tmac/m.tmac , I find that there
both references to fonts by position and by hard-coded R I B names.
I'll take on the task of rationalizing that someday soon.
-
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Werner, I'm new to all this. What's the procedure for getting the
latest-and-greatest out to the distributions?
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Fro
k
is from about the year 2000, so ...
I've not detected any obvious pattern, and am wondering how to proceed.
Suggestions?
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You don't have to wait for a change to the big tool, you can accomplish the
same thing on your own right now (if you know enough shell script tricks).
But I, too, find the newline T} tab T{ newline mechanism cumbersome and
would welcome an alternative.
Let's all go get a beer and dis
t seems logical.
Are there a definitions for
site-dependent directory
local directory
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hose bars indicate the
> left and right side of the paper, similar to the flashing lines in gv?
Is it possible the "two short bars" are the - 1 - (meaning page 1) that
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line break and
setting the page length to the _current_ page length.
.br
.pl \\n[nl]u
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proofs for weeks.
>
> Maybe try troffcvt
> http://www.snake.net/software/troffcvt/
Wow!
... and troffcvt is a standard Ubunutu offering.
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be a feature; instead of fixing it
> they just documented it.
>
> What do you think about enabling this bizarre behaviour of `em' only
> in compatibility mode? As already mentioned, I can't think of any
> useful application. This would save us from introducing the proposed
> `
tible mode, and that fact
will be documented, is good enough for me.
Mike Bianchi
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 07:48:50PM +0100, Denis M. Wilson wrote:
> I think we have to be cautious about changing the behaviour
> of requests. We do not know whe
/mm.tmac
Thanks.
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DOn Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:33:27AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> Please help this guy.
> Werner
>
> ==
>
> I am now trying
> Cathode: Hydrogen release
> .LI
> Anode: Anodic Oxide
> .LI
> Voltage limited thickness
> .LI
> Wavelength of light
> .LE
> .LI
> Interference of white light
> .AL a
> .LI
> Double reflection, constructive interference
> .LI
> Oxide thickness, 1/2 wavelen
ould avoid this by manually
> forking and setting up file descriptor 0 to be writing to foo.ps before
> execing groff but it's hassle and system() is just easier.
>
> An option shouldn't be added to groff to do this. By that logic, awk,
> sed, make, date, and wc should all grow an --output option too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph.
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be different, the correction is both easy and localized to just those
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Joachim,
10^2 Thanks!
I made one _little_ change. I always name my macros, etc. starting with a
Capital Letter, so as to keep them distinct from the standard offerings.
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 08:41:39PM +0200, Joachim
Chuck Robey:
Please send a specific example, including the commmand lines you use.
I'll take a look.
Mike Bianchi
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 11:05:35PM -0500, Larry Kollar wrote:
> Chuck Robey wrote:
>
>> I was told this is
the output from groff --version
output from uname -a
I will take a look and let you know what I find.
Mike Bianchi
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:43:52PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote:
> I'm a very long-term user
se
> macros, to prevent conflicts. Whatever we agree on could go in the
> texinfo document.
Yes, please. I would very much like that conversation.
I'm willing to transform the mm macros to whatever we agree upon.
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egister, or string name within standard macro packages
will ever end in * .
Thus all user created names that end in * will never collide with
any within the standard macro packages.
E.g.
.de MAHM*
.nr pi*
.ds address*
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:
..
.Glurp \" uses .Mine.Glurp ,
\"" unless ._.Glurp is defined.
..namespace Mine\" end Mine .
.Mine.Glurp \" still defined.
This is just a sketch, and
also am most appreciative.
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and ls, grep, colordiff and git all hard-code ANSI.
My dstat(1) on Ubunutu 8.04 Linux puts out color escapes when the it
talks to a terminal, but is mono-chrome when invoked in a pipe line or into
a file.
dstat | cat -
dstat >dstat.out
Similarly for ls --color=auto .
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 07:16:13PM +0400, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Mike Bianchi:
>
> > I am a day-to-day MM user (since the 1970s) so I should be able to help
> > you. Please provide stripped down examples that demonstrate your concerns
> > and I'll look at them
horrible and fearful
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tion is
> ideologically correct and whether it won't produce
> undesirable side effects.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Anton
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correct?
>
>
> Werner
I will be happy to look at the mm issues in detail, since I depend on it.
I have the background in n/t/groff to figure out the why of what is
happening, given enough time.
But I am up to my eyeballs until late May, and maybe beyond.
I'll look at it then.
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