Re: [Groff] "Cosmetic" filling

2006-08-30 Thread Ted Harding
which is not present in a simplistic input such as my test. Using, for this, groff version 1.18.1 Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 30-Aug-06 Time: 11:57:23 ---

Re: [Groff] "Cosmetic" filling

2006-08-31 Thread Ted Harding
On 31-Aug-06 Gunnar Ritter wrote: > (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 1. I'm not aware of a simple mechanism in groff to >>do this -- e.g. fill all lines whose minimum >>formatted length is within X of line-length. > > AT&T troff h

Re: [Groff] "Cosmetic" filling

2006-08-31 Thread Ted Harding
OOPS!!! Ignore my response below! 1. In groff. \n[.x] is the major version number of groff 2. \[.rl] of course does not exist so would get value 0 if invoked. Ted. On 31-Aug-06 Ted Harding wrote: > On 31-Aug-06 Gunnar Ritter wrote: >> (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RE: [Groff] Question re: embedded fonts

2006-09-01 Thread Ted Harding
here to start with > these in order to get the fonts up and running with groff/grops > convert the mystical font-file names into something that a mere > mortal such as I can make sense of? > > Thanks a bunch! > > Clarke Hoping you will get a more helpful rep

Re: [Groff] "Cosmetic" filling

2006-09-05 Thread Ted Harding
hat I regard this behaviour, up to a point, as desirable. Certainly in a paragraph, if the last line is almost as long as the full line, then it will look better if stretched to fill, so that you don't get a nasty little notch at the bottom right-hand corner. B

Re: [Groff] Background Image

2006-09-16 Thread Ted Harding
using "\X'ps: def ... " to define a graphics object in the PostScript once and for all. See my mail to the groff list on 17 October 2005 with subject Re: [Groff] PS and "page background" for a more extended discussion of the issues. Best wis

Re: [Groff] Passing -D argument to grap on groff command line?

2006-09-21 Thread Ted Harding
e work which would not generate printed output, for the sake of later calls which will generate printed output that depend on this work. (I don't think this consideration can apply to tbl, however, since there's nothing in the way of "pre

Re: [Groff] empty line before .TH in man page produces sometimes

2006-10-02 Thread Ted Harding
, line length, baseline spacing and line spacing. And this, as Clarke emphasises, may not be what you want! Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 02-Oct-06

[Groff] Perspective in Pic

2006-10-16 Thread Ted Harding
he aim of my question! Still less can you apply a perspective transformation to any text, unless (as I did above) you reach in with special tools and, again, try to do it piecemeal. At the other end of the tube, even if you have an object defined in PostScript code, I doubt you can write a Pos

RE: [Groff] pic - drawing a line back to the beginning

2006-10-17 Thread Ted Harding
coordinate of the center of Box1 Box1.ne.y # the y coordinate of the northeast corner of Box1 Box1.wid # the width of Box1 Box1.ht# amd its height 2nd last circle.rad # the radius of the 2nd last circle And so on. Best wishes, Ted. -

[Groff] Tweaking font metrics

2006-10-22 Thread Ted Harding
aving a conditional section of ".char" definitions which are used when a certain printer is used, so the ".chsl" idea may not add anything useful for this kind of application. But I can;t see any other work-round for the "protruding hyphen" problem! Well, you can

Re: [Groff] Tweaking font metrics

2006-10-22 Thread Ted Harding
On 22-Oct-06 Gunnar Ritter wrote: > (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In other words, >> >> .kp Font c1 d1 n1 c2 d2 n2 ... >> >> would extend the kern-pair table for font Font by the lines > > I have introduced a ".kernpair

RE: [Groff] Formatting braille

2006-11-13 Thread Ted Harding
ncodings they expect for the purpose of achieving the result that the user wants. However, I feel confident that the process of producing Braille looks straightforward enough that it could be achieved readily using groff, provided one has all the deatils needed to define the methods. Hoping this helps, as a first response! Ted. ---

RE: [Groff] Line-drawing escape

2006-11-28 Thread Ted Harding
.de iD .char @ \0 \\$1 \\kx\\l'(\\n(.lu-\\nxu-\w'\\$2 'u)@ \\$2 .. (However, ".tr @\0", for instance, will not work, since this makes the substitution on input). And, of course, the "real" special characters (such as "\(dd"), wor

RE: [Groff] Using Printer "Jogging" with groff

2006-12-08 Thread Ted Harding
.de Jogger0 ps: exec %%BeginFeature: *Jog gsave << /Jog 0 >> setpagedevice grestore %%EndFeature .. might work. But then again it might not! Unfortunately, a lot of the description in the Language Reference Manual of how *setpagedev

Re: [Groff] Modifying hyphenation rules?

2006-12-21 Thread Ted Harding
t words with escape sequences generally do not get hyphenated -- the reasons for which I've never discovered, by the way -- it often causes problems, and rarely seems to bring benefits). This isn't the only such example. There are many words which begin with "Sr...", for instan

[Groff] RE: Simplifying groff documentation

2006-12-22 Thread Ted Harding
still you? >> >> Yep. Awaiting your commands. > > So I see from the groff project page, which I should have checked > first. Copying to Ted Harding and the groff list, which I just > subscribed to. > > I want to drastically simplify the markup used in several pi

Re: [Groff] RE: Simplifying groff documentation

2006-12-23 Thread Ted Harding
gt; I use groff's TeXinfo docs far more than its manpages. I believe > that's a tribute to Werner and how he's set them up more, though, > rather than an endorsement of TeXinfo itself. I agree exactly with what Peter says! Ted. ------------

Re: [Groff] Simplifying groff documentation

2006-12-23 Thread Ted Harding
s fine to me! Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 23-Dec-06 Time: 18:15:53 -- XFMail -- ___

Re: [Groff] Simplifying groff documentation

2007-01-03 Thread Ted Harding
e to follow hyperlinks. Hence I would usually be using 'less', and would want to continue to be able to do so! Best wishes, and Happy New Year, to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +

Re: [Groff] Simplifying groff documentation

2007-01-04 Thread Ted Harding
rewarding as I did. Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 04-Jan-07 Time: 14:45:20 --

RE: [Groff] Is there an easy way to find out the width of the mo

2007-01-04 Thread Ted Harding
available for the most recently created table. If you want to preserve the values for several tables, then you can of course copy the values of \n[TW] to new registers, e.g. .nr TW.1 \n[TW] .nr TW.2 \n[TW] Hoping this helps, Ted. ---

Re: [Groff] Is there an easy way to find out the width of the mo

2007-01-04 Thread Ted Harding
nd assumes that the table is left-justified. It would not work without modification if the table itself were indented centred (and working out what the modification should be is a bit complicated, though it can still be done using \n[TW]). Ted. ---

[Groff] Here we go again!

2007-01-17 Thread Ted Harding
t the domain mcc.ac.uk where I receive my own mail). These are pretty much replays of that previous spam barrage. Oh dear... Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 09

RE: [Groff] On copying text from PDF files that started with gro

2007-01-25 Thread Ted Harding
PDF->text programs, may well be close to the mark! My mouse (with its tail plugged into X Windows on Linux) has very little brain, yet it has worked really well. Hmmm. Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 25-

Re: [Groff] XXX Funny movie

2007-01-26 Thread Ted Harding
hily low) has been rising rapidly over the last few days ... Best wishes to all, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 26-Jan-07

Re: [Groff] XXX Funny movie

2007-01-27 Thread Ted Harding
On 27-Jan-07 Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> The problem we are seeing is that after all the parts have been >> removed, there is still a non-empty signature text piece left ... so >> the message is not discarded. BUT ... that signature is added by >> mailman itself! > > I've now removed the mailing l

[Groff] Our spam

2007-01-27 Thread Ted Harding
t! Anyway, let's hope that Werner's action, based on Nick's excellent analysis. will do the trick! Best wishes to all, Ted. ------------ E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)

RE: [Groff] chess font?

2007-02-02 Thread Ted Harding
, i.e. a .pfa file, and should be treated as such when installing into groff. And, of course, the other file you'll need is cheq.afm! Hoping this helps, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-t

RE: [Groff] Coloured equations?

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Harding
n a black line. where the strings \*+ and \*- are defined to reduce the amount of typing, and complexity, when entering the colour changes. Granted, this is tedious and error-prone, but it's the only kind of way I can think of to use colours in an equation solely for the quantitative symbols. Other may have better ideas! Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 05-Feb-07 Time: 11:25:45 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] eqn's `...' operator

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Harding
this are likely to be on non-man-page usage? And what is likely to be next in the pipeline? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 05-Feb-07 Time: 17:54:23 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] tbl problems in man

2007-02-07 Thread Ted Harding
dvantage of the ".ll" approach is that you can use an arbitrary (provided it's valid) numerical expression to set its value, so complicated expressions (like Gunnar Ritter's lw(\n(.lu/10u) lw(\n(.lu*9u/10u). which would not work for classic troff at least) can be used. Best

RE: [Groff] A progress report

2007-02-07 Thread Ted Harding
On 07-Feb-07 Eric S. Raymond wrote: > This is for Ted Harding and others who have felt they weren't being > sufficiently informed about the changes I've been making. Comments > and suggestions welcomed. Thanks! Comment regarding EQN following: > 1. EQN > > Th

Re: [Groff] A progress report

2007-02-07 Thread Ted Harding
On 07-Feb-07 Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Ted Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> As you can see, >> the lineup does its job, despite the intervening text. (And >> it carries over past page-breaks too). >> >> I don't see h

Re: [Groff] A progress report

2007-02-07 Thread Ted Harding
On 07-Feb-07 Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Ted Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I.e., can one set a "global variable2 in MathML? Where, in this >> case, it would have the value of the offset at the "mark" point, >> and be called on for setting offsets at subs

Re: [Groff] tbl problems in man

2007-02-08 Thread Ted Harding
y one expanded-width column is permitted for each table, so this modifier is limited to a single column in each table." ============ Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Groff] groff ms: Is there an order to setting PS and VS versus PO and LL

2015-03-17 Thread Ted Harding
ping this helps, Ted. PS: Dorai, it could help to clarify the issue is you would give an example of input where the effect you observed occurs. - E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Date: 17-Mar-2015 Time: 18:30:03 This message was sent by XFMail -

Re: [Groff] eqn converts "lambda" to "&lamda;"

2015-12-15 Thread Ted Harding
Thanks, Ingo. All understood now! Ted. On 15-Dec-2015 17:11:12 Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Ted, > > Ted Harding wrote on Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 05:01:54PM -: > >> You have replied to a message from Brian McGuinness, 13/12/2015. >> I do not seem to have received such a

Re: [Groff] eqn converts "lambda" to "&lamda;"

2015-12-15 Thread Ted Harding
dev/null; done' > 0m07.25s real 0m02.83s user 0m03.33s system > > Mandoc does HTML5 and MathML by default and does not need any options > or preprocessors. > > Being faster by a factor of more than 2000 (two thousand) > may be relevant for some applications. >

Re: [Groff] PS font family with Romanian Glyphs

2016-02-09 Thread Ted Harding
27; C\*' .char \(d' d\*' .char \(D' D\*' .char \(n' n\*' .char \(N' N\*' .char \(r' r\*' .char \(R' R\*' .char \(s' s\*' .char \(S' S\*' .char \(t' t\*' .char \(T' T\*' .\" Ring-above .char \(io \(.i\*[ring] .char \(Io I\*[ring] .char \(uo u\*[ring] .char \(Uo U\*[ring] .\" Breves .char \(au a\*[breve] .char \(Au A\*[breve] .char \(gu g\*[breve] .char \(Gu G\*[breve] .char \(uu u\*[breve] .char \(Uu U\*[breve] .\" Miscellaneous Accents .\" Hungarian umlaut .char \(o= o\*; .char \(O= O\*; .\" Turkish dotless i .char \(i. \(.i = Ted. - E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Date: 09-Feb-2016 Time: 22:35:49 This message was sent by XFMail -

Re: [Groff] explicit and implicit spacing in eqn

2016-04-17 Thread Ted Harding
-> "A = B" $A=-B$ --> "A = -B$" $A = - B$ --> "A = -B" $A~=~-B$ --> "A = - B" which clearly it should not! Now to try to track down why it happens ... Interestingly, $A~=-B$ produces the same result as $A = - B, namely "A = -B", whil

Re: [Groff] multi-line macro arguments

2016-04-27 Thread Ted Harding
do, OKLAHOMA" \ USA Also, by the way, Nowhere realy exists in Caddo County, Oklahoma. And there used to be a Nowhere in Norfolk, England, but it got swallowed up into the nearby parish of Acle, about half-way between Norwich and Great Yarmouth; so Nowhere is now nowhere. See: https://en.wik

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Ted Harding
ve access to) edit the TR file so that the metrics for each character are changed. And I suppose one should do the same for the other files of the Times family (TB, TI, TBI). Best wishes, Ted. - E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Date: 03-May-2016 Time: 10:28:11 This message was sent by XFMail -

Re: [Groff] Converting basic units to inches in PostScript

2016-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
t;> > If you use .in with a register value you have to set the unit to u, >> > e.g.: >> > .in \n(dlu >> > else the default unit of .in is multiplied with the dl register value. >> >> Also, see the Notes column for .in on page 4 of CSTR 54, >> http://troff.org/54.pdf, and sections 1.3 and 1.4. >> >> Cheers, Ralph. >> >> - E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Date: 03-Aug-2016 Time: 15:29:20 This message was sent by XFMail -

Re: [Groff] *roff for desktop publishing - is it feasible?

2016-10-23 Thread Ted Harding
those available by default in troff, and would need to be installed (which itself is a somewhat finicky process). Hoping this helps! Ted. [**] In illustration of the latter point, I attach a frivolous little piece of scientific writing I composed a while ago ... Attached PDF: gravity_levityC.

Re: [Groff] *roff for desktop publishing - is it feasible?

2016-10-24 Thread Ted Harding
htly later -- the creation of dawn -- when the distant horizons of the dark lands occupied by other operating systems began to shimmer under the glowing light of an emerging Unix. Ted. - E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Date: 24-Oct-2016 Time: 16:28:45 This message was sent by XFMail -

Re: [Groff] *roff for desktop publishing - is it feasible?

2016-10-25 Thread Ted Harding
oan_turning39.pdf Best wishes to all, Ted. PS: For information: the portrait has been cropped from a portrait shown in the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan Of all the available choices, I preferred this one for inclusion, -----------

Re: [Groff] Inappropriate info page!

2016-12-30 Thread Ted Harding
n. As opposed to the new pound, European currencies, and the American dollar, which only divide up, coarsely, like the metre. No wonder this ountry was in the mood to quit Europe! Best wishes to all (wherever ye may be ... ), Ted. - E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Date: 30-Dec-2016 Time: 21:09:12 This message was sent by XFMail -

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Ted Harding
On Sat, 2017-07-22 at 15:32 -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:19:29PM +0100, Keith Marshall wrote: > > On 22/07/17 15:06, John Gardner wrote: > > > ... Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and > > > pretend other encodings don't exist? > > > > Not really

Re: [Groff] parallel text processing ; vertical and horizontal mode

2017-09-06 Thread Ted Harding
A. On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 18:13 +0200, E. Hoffmann wrote: > Hello *roffers. > > Excuse me if this question has been answered zillions of time, > or if it is all absurd, but I don't find an answer ... > >I want to typeset parallel texts, like a translation, the original > *always* in the l

Re: [Groff] Next release - maintainership

2017-09-16 Thread Ted Harding
to upload a tarball (into alpha.gnu.org > and ftp.gnu.org) I mailed ftp-upl...@gnu.org so that they could give me > access to these ftp site, but apparently not being the official > maintainer is a problem, here is was they answered: > > "The currently listed maintainer for gro

Re: [groff] [Groff] What does the "-u" in ".tmac-u" mean?

2017-11-11 Thread Ted Harding
On Sat, 2017-11-11 at 21:32 -0500, Larry Kollar wrote: > > Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > > It's not about saving disk space. Remember that groff is an > > interpreted language *without* a translation to an internal > > representation.[*] This means, for example, that a comment within a > > loop w

Re: [groff] 04/04: tmac: Move macro diagnostics away from `quotes'.

2017-11-21 Thread Ted Harding
Which does not necessarily resolve the matter! For instance, should one abbreviate "Street" as "St" or "St."? Either is compatible: "S[tree]t" or "St[reet]." In practice one sees both. And "St" could also be "Saint", as in "St Andrew's St" ... Ted. On Tue, 2017-11-21 at 09:16 +, Denis M. Wil

Re: [groff] A few newb questions about Troff typesetting

2017-11-28 Thread Ted Harding
And I'll aff my biut to this (see below). On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 14:57 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi, > > I'll take an easy one. > > > > 1) How do I use colours inside documents? For example, I want to > > >colour a word blue. Also, are there ways to colour graphic > > >primitives a

Re: [groff] PSPIC vs PDFPIC: adjust documentation to reality, or the reverse?

2018-04-10 Thread Ted Harding
[See at end ... ] On Tue, 2018-04-10 at 18:05 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 03:57:19PM +0100, Deri James wrote: > > To avoid making existing documents render incorrectly I propose to allow > > the > > existing behaviour to be selected. Adding this to the NEWS file:- > > >

Re: [groff] mark/lineup in eqn

2018-05-01 Thread Ted Harding
On Tue, 2018-05-01 at 13:45 -0400, Doug McIlroy wrote: > Fellow groffers, what do you think of generalizing the application > of "mark" and "lineup" in eqn to work in columns and piles as > well as in equations. > The typical use of mark and lineup is to align = signs in > a sequence of equations.

Re: [groff] mark/lineup in eqn

2018-05-02 Thread Ted Harding
See in-line at [] On Wed, 2018-05-02 at 14:49 +1000, Damian McGuckin wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2018, Doug McIlroy wrote: > > > I agree it lines things up right horizontally. What I complained > > about is that (at least in -ms) a separate EQ-EN pair for each > > line introduces extra vertical sp

Re: [groff] gropdf(1) Has Ugly Thick Lines by Default.

2018-07-30 Thread Ted Harding
With regard to: "So I took this to mean that whole points were Ok for paper sizes" one has to agree! The discrepancies between "atatutory" A4 sizes "595.276 by 841.89" and tha practicsl "595 by 842" are: 0.276/72 of an inch = 3,833... inch/1000 approx = 4 thousandths of an inch 0.11/72

Re: [groff] Design and Implementation of *roff

2018-12-02 Thread Ted Harding
One thing that does not seem to have been mentioned so far (or perhaps I have overlooked it) is the role of roff (abbreviation of "runoff", to reduce key-strokes) in the emergence of Unix itself. Unix was not originally developed by Bell Labs (as a corporation) but by a group of Bell Labs people w

Re: [groff] Design and Implementation of *roff

2018-12-03 Thread Ted Harding
On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 20:36 +0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > the epsiode about Joe Ossanna is indeed funny, but what > > the guy in the video is saying at that point is of course > > total crap: very untrue in multiple respects and totally > > irresponsible. > > Indeed, I did not mean to imply it

Re: [groff] Does the groff -ms implementation have a way to switch to a new column in .2C mode?

2019-06-06 Thread Ted Harding
A. On Thu, 2019-06-06 at 14:59 -0400, T. Kurt Bond wrote: > I didn't see it documented in GROFF_MS(7). There are various ways (though not many) to do this, depending on thr context and on the reason for switchong columns. Genrally, there is no stabdard built-in method in ms (hence not docume

RE: [Groff] \*SN] question

2007-02-12 Thread Ted Harding
register content: >>>1.1.<<< Table of Contents heading1 1 1. heading2 .1 1.1. heading31 [spaces in the tab leader removed in the above] That looks to me like what should have bee

[Groff] Strange output ...

2007-02-19 Thread Ted Harding
utput is: First argument Here is the macro amac in operation: econd argument (i.e. the "S" is not emitted; there is, however, a small space to the left of "econd"). Any ideas? (groff version 1.18.1),

Re: [Groff] Strange output ...

2007-02-19 Thread Ted Harding
Cell: 510 388 1413 > USENIX Standards LiaisonFax: 510 548 5738 OOPS!! Thank you -- just shows that eyesight matters! And, by the way, to get the desired effect it should have been: .de amac \Z'\v'-1m'\\$1\v'1m''\Z'\v'

Re: [Groff] Smart quotes [Was: Strange output ...]

2007-02-19 Thread Ted Harding
On 19-Feb-07 Ted Harding wrote: > OOPS!! Thank you -- just shows that eyesight matters! > > And, by the way, to get the desired effect it should have been: > > > .de amac > \Z'\v'-1m'\\$1\v'1m''\Z'\v'1m'\\$2\v'-1m'

[Groff] .MC -> .1C in ms macro

2007-02-19 Thread Ted Harding
ng, though (e.g. of the ".pl 4i" re-definition of page length) to get the layout you want. Best wishes, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 19-Feb-07

RE: [Groff] .MC -> .1C in ms macro

2007-02-19 Thread Ted Harding
On 19-Feb-07 Ted Harding wrote: > While I'm at it, I've lately been playing with a work-round > for the often awkward feature of the ".MC" and ".1C" macros > in the ms macros, that when you break out of MC back to 1C > you also get a page-break. >

RE: [Groff] Eqn, tbl and groff characters

2007-04-03 Thread Ted Harding
I always do. Mind you, I have less use for $$ as money than for $$ in eqn. It's different with ££ of course ... ). Best wishes, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email:

RE: [Groff] ceil() and floor()

2007-04-05 Thread Ted Harding
sing it "invisibly" when the object comes to an end; but needs an explicit "left" when there is a "right something". The use of left "" provides an invisible opener of the left-right pair. Hoping this helps, ted.

RE: [Groff] .sp problem

2007-04-15 Thread Ted Harding
t am I doing wrong? What effect are you trying to achieve, if the result you describe is not what you want? Best wishes, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 15-Apr-07

RE: [Groff] title page

2007-04-15 Thread Ted Harding
way the ms macros do this, then similarly construct your own, and make this your page 1 (as above). Can you clarify what your problem really is? Best wishes, Ted. ------------ E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-emai

RE: [Groff] Omission in -ms man page

2007-05-11 Thread Ted Harding
X=Y+Z(2) (and, of course, similar with the default -Tps) Has something changed lately in the ms macros? Best wishes to all, Ted. PS Don't label your equations "A", "B", "C", ... unless you make sure that it's

RE: [Groff] preconv, unicode, greek and indexing

2007-05-20 Thread Ted Harding
ding, History and Philosophy of Science, University of Notre Dame and, at Notre Dame, he can be found under History and Philosophy of Science, where he has a personal web page: http://www.nd.edu/~medinst/faculty/bios/goulding.html and a link to the departmental Faculty web page: http://ww

RE: [Groff] Research on word processor

2007-07-04 Thread Ted Harding
tware substitutes for Word and the like, you could look at OpenOffice: http://www.openoffice.org/ Hoping this helps! Ted. ------------ E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 04-Jul-07

RE: [Groff] groff on ms prints only first page

2007-07-19 Thread Ted Harding
est you post this (at least as far as material on the second page) or (if you want to keep the actual material confidential) a file with exactly the same macros but with substitute text. Best wishes, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Hardi

Re: [Groff] groff on ms prints only first page

2007-07-19 Thread Ted Harding
lems with lists.gnu.org, anyone? Best wishes to all, ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 19-Jul-07 Time: 22:00:44 -- XFMail --

[Groff] Groff tip: super/subscripts in eqn

2007-07-20 Thread Ted Harding
eed to be replaced by an explicit pipeline like: tbl eqn.stuff | pic | eqn | sed '...' | troff ... (together with any special options). Hoping folks will find this useful. Comments welcome! Ted. --

[Groff] digits in eqn

2007-08-01 Thread Ted Harding
ult of this effect, and would be impossibly cumbersome to correct using "local" modifications like the above. So I'd just like to turn it off! Anyone know something I don't know? Or is one stuck with it? With thanks, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Aug-07 Time: 23:00:06 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] digits in eqn

2007-08-02 Thread Ted Harding
currs in an equation should look exactly the same as the same number in non-eqn text. (Of course, for that precise usage, it is straightforward to use roman{"12345..."}, as I usually do anyway is there's a "." in the number; but the underlying behaviour is inappropriate). I'll try to look into this, to see if it's possible to stop it from happening. Thanks, Ralph1 ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 02-Aug-07 Time: 09:26:33 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] digits in eqn

2007-08-02 Thread Ted Harding
On 02-Aug-07 08:26:39, Ted Harding wrote: > On 01-Aug-07 22:35:29, Ralph Corderoy wrote: >> [...] >> Hmm, don't know about that. I did however have a look at eqn's >> output and I think it's the \, that's causing the effect. >> >> $ cat

RE: [Groff] Number registers

2007-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
ed chars are treated as entities with no content: \w\[novalue]\[novalue] uses the (undefined) character \[novalue] as the delimiter (i.e. where you would usually use "'" as in \w''). Hoping this helps! Ted. ----------

RE: [Groff] Piic behaviour

2007-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
er sprintf("%g", $3) ljust } # draw upper dimension arrow define LinU { X: line from $1 up 10 Y: line from $2 up 10 line <--> from X.center to Y.center sprintf("%g", $3) above } A: box wid 80 ht 100 LinR(A.ne, A.se, A.ht

[Groff] Groff Wiki

2007-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
#x27;m nit used to Wikis, and it ain't obvious to me! Is there a talk-theough anywhere? With thanks, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-Aug-07

RE: [Groff] Number registers

2007-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
ines several registers whose names begin with "0", and a string register called "10". tbl uses names beginning with "3", and pic defines registers whose names begin with "0". Ted. ------------ E-Mail:

Re: [Groff] digits in eqn

2007-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
rect font files in .../font/devps? Now that you mention it, it should have occurred to me that a Roman font should not have italic corrections! But it was getting late at night ... Best wishes, Ted. ---

RE: [Groff] Generating RTF

2007-08-03 Thread Ted Harding
s so that troffcvt can handle them. Hoping this helps! Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-Aug-07 Time: 18:12:05 -- XFMail --

[Groff] R and groff

2007-08-05 Thread Ted Harding
the R-help list earlier today, but so far there has been no response. (I know, they all use LaTeX ... or do they? I certainly don't!) Best wishes to all, Ted. [*] http://www.r-project.org -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [Groff] eqn plugin for MS Word??

2007-08-10 Thread Ted Harding
-- the GUI Empire would treat something as straightforward as that, as a threat to its World Domination. Good luck! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 10-Aug-07 Time: 08:31:38 -- XFMail --

RE: [Groff] eqn plugin for MS Word??

2007-08-10 Thread Ted Harding
erms were Word "equation editor" and this may lead you to other interesting things. Good luck! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 10-Aug-07 Time: 08:53:48 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] digits in eqn

2007-08-19 Thread Ted Harding
On 19-Aug-07 00:12:43, Dean Allen Provins, P. Geoph. wrote: > Ted: > > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:00:10PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> I'm trying to overcome an eqn "phenomenon" -- in some ways a >> "feature", in others a

Re: [Groff] Groff editor.

2007-08-20 Thread Ted Harding
t; >> $trname.tr fi if [ ! -s $trname.ps ] ; then echo '%!PS-Adobe-3.0' > $trname.ps fi xterm -name "GE_aux" -title "GE_x_$trname" \ -geometry 80x36+0-0 & export AUX_ID=$! xterm -name "GE $trname.tr" -title "GE $trname.tr" \

Re: [Groff] Groff editor.

2007-08-20 Thread Ted Harding
ed on. That meant many thousands of on-the-fly decisions, all of which had to be right!) If it had been a plain-text, 'vim' would have done it in about 30 seconds. Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 20-Aug-07 Time: 19:18:44 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] Groff editor.

2007-08-20 Thread Ted Harding
On 20-Aug-07 17:58:24, Gunnar Ritter wrote: > (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The loop constantly checks whether the timestamp on myfile.tr >> is more recent than that of myfile.watch and, if it is, then >> groff is run on myfile.tr to generate myfile.

RE: [Groff] German quotation marks in ms

2007-08-21 Thread Ted Harding
x27;\h'-100c'"' and then all you need to type is something like Here I want to bring the quotes\[""] back into phase For example: .smartq .LP "This is a Quote" .LP Here we get " out of phase .LP .LP "This is a Quote" .LP And here

Re: [Groff] parsing a corner specification

2007-08-21 Thread Ted Harding
e syntax of "upper" (and similarly "lower") which triggers a special interpretation of "left". On the other hand, if you omit "upper", as in .PS A: circle "A" B: A left circle "B" at B .PE then it is a syntax error (and a semantic one too, since what could be meant by a "circle drawn leftwards"?). If you want to have code similar to the above, then it should be .PS A: circle "A" B: A .left circle "B" at B .PE Is there a known implementation of pic which does it the way Joel Denny expects (i.e. as in "B: A left")? Or have I missed some hidden point in this thread? Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 21-Aug-07 Time: 18:16:21 -- XFMail --

Re: [Groff] German quotation marks in ms

2007-08-21 Thread Ted Harding
its own .smartq > They should match ... > > I'll try this in order to see whether I can get used to it, > it is easier to type. > > Axel Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 21-Aug-07 Time: 22:37:50 -- XFMail --

RE: [Groff] Venn Diagram in Pic?

2007-09-12 Thread Ted Harding
) factors. It is very difficult indeed (though not impossible) to invent 5 simply-connected regions each of which overlaps the others in all possible combinations -- 4 is bad enough! Best wishes, Ted. -------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTE

[Groff] RE: Small bug in groff 1.19.2 footnote number control?

2007-09-16 Thread Ted Harding
had to add > a .vs -4 to avoid a bug in groff overprinting the following > page over the footnote body, and it even uses pic to overdraw > a line over a table on one page, via the use of diversions). > > Regards, > > luke -----------

Re: [Groff] RE: Small bug in groff 1.19.2 footnote number contro

2007-09-16 Thread Ted Harding
ic to a particular version of troff, as used by Luke's wife for her thesis. If it's not generic, then I doubt we should add too many such "special patches" to groff. So let's wait for Luke to tell us more detail! In particular, which "make" of tro

Re: [Groff] the is \_ escape sequence

2007-09-19 Thread Ted Harding
ere on page 7 is a table of Escape Sequences for Characters, Indicators and Functions the last of which is - \ZZ, any character not listed above Thus "Z" in "\Z" is a dummy and does not stand for itself. (Of course, in that context it sould also stand for itself,

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