Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Eric, Doug wrote: > > In pic, the thing I miss most is polygons (preferably allowing arcs > > and splines as edges) that can be filled. After that, the next step > > is a big one: lightweight constraint-based drawing; Van Wyk's Ideal > > (SIGPLAN Notices 16:6) is a proof of concept. Can that b

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Doug wrote: > There is one property of TeX (and HTML) that's worth emulating: > recursive nesting. It's a challenge to the preprocessor model (eqn, > tbl, pic), but one that deserves serious consideration. How about > letting "preprocessors" be called by piping segments out and back, not > o

Re: [Groff] Mission statement, 3rd draft

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Peter, > Filtered through a simple sed script, the resulting mom file preserves > all of the semantics, has *no* low-level groff requests, and requires > exactly 4 trivial tweaks (to satisfy my personal aesthetics). OOI, do you code those tweaks as sed? > [heading 2] "Manpages" > > The n

Re: [Groff] [groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ralph Corderoy : > Perhaps [ideal has] become available since then as part of one of their > re-licensings? I can find no evidence of any such happy development on the web. > Are you aware of > > http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/103.ps.gz, > CSTR #103, C. J. Van Wyk, Bell Labs, Decembe

Re: [Groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Eric, > Does anyone have contact with the author? I cannot think of any other > plaisible way to trace the location of the code back to a person with > release authority at Alcatel-Lucent. He's at Drew now. http://www.users.drew.edu/~cvanwyk/cvwvita.htm I think that email address may be out

Re: [Groff] Letterspacing

2014-03-28 Thread Dave Kemper
On 3/27/14, Peter Schaffter wrote: > is it really necessary to scan an entire paragraph > to determine optimal linebreaks if judiciously adjusted word-and > letter-spacing on a line-by-line basis can produce similar results? The more relevant question is, *can* a line-by-line algorithm, with some

Re: [Groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Dave Kemper
On 3/27/14, Peter Schaffter wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014, Boss Hog wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 03:34:27AM -0500, Dave Kemper wrote: >> > >> > My feeling is that the quality of the line-breaking algorithm is something >> > that will be noticed by typography nerds, but the difficulty of insta

Re: [Groff] mission statement 3

2014-03-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Have you checked out the 'install-font.sh' script [...] > > I've used this script and I agree it's great. But it's not part of > groff, not distributed with groff, [...] I don't object if someone is adding this to groff's `contrib' directory (however, using a better name like `install-groff-

Re: [Groff] Letterspacing

2014-03-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Dave Kemper wrote: > The more relevant question is, *can* a line-by-line algorithm, with > some tweaks, produce results on par with an algorithm that considers > the entire paragraph? > > I can't answer this definitively, of course, but I suspect it cannot. If one is 15% of the implementatio