Re: [Groff] XML and groff as frontend

2005-10-20 Thread Gaius Mulley
"D. E. Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, I think that using groff to write your webpage, or as a > front end for various document formats, is probably misdirected. > DocBook, word processors, LaTeX (in some cases), and so on are much > better suited to these various tasks. I'm sure ma

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread M Bianchi
Which is the *best* editor? The one I know in I know my spine. Which is the second best editor? The one used by most of the folks around me, because that means they can help me and I can help them and deep shared knowledge is an exponential function.

Re: [Groff] XSL-FO to groff to PDF?

2005-10-20 Thread Larry Kollar
OK, somehow my entire reply got deleted before I sent it (my copy in "Sent" is also blank). Michael Smith wanted to know if anyone ever thought about a utility to translate XSL:FO to groff. My opinion is that it would be better to skip the translation to FO and go straight to groff, for s

Re: [Groff] XML and groff as frontend

2005-10-20 Thread D. E. Evans
out of place on the net.. (maybe). For someone familiar with groff -ms it is as simple as writing a document with .TL, .SH., .LP, .PSPIC. I completely agree. If you've written a document with groff, for whatever reason, it only makes sense to output it to html for publication to the web. I

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Larry Kollar
Meg McRoberts wrote: I've been fiddling with OpenOffice lately. In this context, I consider OpenOffice to be equivalent to Word (yeah, I know, at least it's not a proprietary format and all). And that things basically *work* in OOo. For technical documents, I need a lot more flexibility t

Re: [Groff] XSL-FO to groff to PDF?

2005-10-20 Thread Alejandro López-Valencia
On 10/20/05, Larry Kollar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, somehow my entire reply got deleted before I sent it (my copy in > "Sent" is also blank). > > Michael Smith wanted to know if anyone ever thought about a utility > to translate XSL:FO to groff. My opinion is that it would be better > to s

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread M Bianchi
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 07:52:50AM -0400, M Bianchi wrote: > Which is the *best* editor? > The one I know in I know my spine. Take 2: Which is the *best* editor? The one I know in my spine. -- Mike who cannot proofread his own email Bianchi __

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Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Zahar Malinovsky
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 17:22, Jon Snader wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:14:28AM +0100, Keith MARSHALL wrote: > > I've tried various editors in my time, Emacs among them. But, I > > keep going back to vi, (or (g)vim), for personal choice. > > In the end, there can be only one. > If only

[Groff] Using groff as one's main WP/TP

2005-10-20 Thread Robert Marks
> However, I think that using groff to write your webpage, or as a > front end for various document formats, is probably misdirected. > DocBook, word processors, LaTeX (in some cases), and so on are much > better suited to these various tasks. I use groff for letters, academic papers, and class ov

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Gabriel Diaz
Hi I prefer sam as a editor for UNIX. and if possible, acme. Both came from Plan9. May be there is someone interested in those :=) Gabriel 2005/10/20, Zahar Malinovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wednesday 19 October 2005 17:22, Jon Snader wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:14:28AM +0100, Ke

Re: [Groff] Using groff as one's main WP/TP

2005-10-20 Thread Clarke Echols
I use groff for letters, seminar notes (transcribed from hand- written so I can read them), and lots of other things. I keep a few macro files around for various purposes that I have written. I expand my seminar notes so they have additional content, then print them for easy reading (my handwritin

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Dorai Sitaram
Meg McRoberts wrote > > I prefer HTML as an output format from the same source that can also > generate PS, PDF, formatted ASCII... It's great to get a technical > document into HTML to display on the web but if I want a printed > copy, the HTML doc isn't compact enough to be satisfying... I wo

Re: [Groff] PS and "page background"

2005-10-20 Thread Jim Reid
On Oct 19, 2005, at 03:28, Miklos Somogyi wrote: Bernd, thank you very much for the idea. I'll try when I'll have X windows. I would like to install Tiger and the the whole X environment on my Mac, but I wait until I am sure that Tiger and "terminal" can co-exist. I don't understand wh

RE: [Groff] Using groff as one's main WP/TP

2005-10-20 Thread Ted Harding
On 20-Oct-05 Robert Marks wrote: >> However, I think that using groff to write your webpage, or as a >> front end for various document formats, is probably misdirected. >> DocBook, word processors, LaTeX (in some cases), and so on are much >> better suited to these various tasks. > > I use groff f

[Groff] groff/xml/word

2005-10-20 Thread Meg McRoberts
(I decided to change the subject header) I TOTALLY agree! I'm on this list because I love groff; I spent 20+ years writing complex technical documents with groff and sputter constantly about trying to do this sort of writing in Word (or Word-like) tools. The practical problem I face is that few

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Larry Kollar
Which is the *best* editor? The one I know in I know my spine. Or in the case of vi, my fingers. I've been known to write about Un*x topics in a GUI text editor, start jackhammering the 'j' key, and wonder why the cursor isn't moving down. Is anyone collecting the "reasons for using gr

Re: [Groff] XML and groff as frontend

2005-10-20 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:51:45PM -0600, D. E. Evans wrote: > groff is now a major component in a majority (I would think) of > UNIX systems, and UNIX variants. It is used for online manuals, > and print manuals; it is used for writing documentation, memos, > letters, and so on. I don't agree wi

Re: [Groff] Using groff as one's main WP/TP

2005-10-20 Thread M Bianchi
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:02:15AM +1000, Robert Marks wrote: > I've been using *roff since the days of nroff and > daisywheel printers, i.e., 1978. Am I alone? No, Mark. I wrote my first nroff documents at Bell Labs, in 1974 or 1975, on what were called Programmers' Workbench UNIX systems. The

Re: [Groff] XML and groff as frontend

2005-10-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> groff is now a major component in a majority (I would think) of UNIX > systems, and UNIX variants. It is used for online manuals, and > print manuals; it is used for writing documentation, memos, letters, > and so on. However, I think that using groff to write your webpage, > or as a front end

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > Have you actually looked at groff.texinfo? A pdf-Version can be > > found at > > > > http://groff.ffii.org/groff/groff-1.19.2.pdf > > > > Comments (and patches!) to improve this are highly welcome. > > I'd be happy to submit patches once it's converted to roff but I > just can't bring myself

Re: Re: [Groff] Using groff as one's main WP/TP

2005-10-20 Thread M Bianchi
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:34:05AM -0600, Clarke Echols wrote: > : > If any of you have trouble with tendonitis or carpal tunnel > syndrome, take a look at the Kinesis keyboards. They are > WONDERFUL!!! It takes about 3 weeks to get used to one, and > it totally ruins you for "normal" keybo

[Groff] Colors, PowerPoint and PDFs

2005-10-20 Thread Clarke Echols
My what talent and experience! Some real veterans hanging around here. All the tossing of ideas has opened some new ideas for me. I'd like to create the equivalent of a PowerPoint presentation using PDF or other reasonable display. It would be nice to be able to use the entire screen instead of

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Larry McVoy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:01:24PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > Have you actually looked at groff.texinfo? A pdf-Version can be > > > found at > > > > > > http://groff.ffii.org/groff/groff-1.19.2.pdf > > > > > > Comments (and patches!) to improve this are highly welcome. > > > > I'd be hap

Re: [Groff] Colors, PowerPoint and PDFs

2005-10-20 Thread Robert Goulding
On Oct 20, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Clarke Echols wrote: I'd like to create the equivalent of a PowerPoint presentation using PDF or other reasonable display. It would be nice to be able to use the entire screen instead of a window, like PowerPoint does. It has to run on Windows 98 and newer machine

Re: [Groff] Colors, PowerPoint and PDFs

2005-10-20 Thread Robert Marks
Dear Clarke, Look at my teaching overheads, at, say, http://www.agsm.edu.au/~bobm/teaching/Taiwan/lect05-2.pdf To get full screen viewing, save the file to disk and open with Acrobat Reader. If the full-screen viewing mode doesn't kick in, choose Full Screen from the Windows menu. This file and

Re: [Groff] XML and groff as frontend

2005-10-20 Thread D. E. Evans
I think that limiting groff to "documentation, memos, letters, and manuals" is not right. I think we're thinking along the same lines. Your illustrations prove the point I was making, not detract from it. Perhaps place more emphasis on the 'and so on.' ___

Re: [Groff] Introduction

2005-10-20 Thread Miklos Somogyi
On 19/10/2005, at 11:23 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: For me a much better documentation would be enough, [...] Have you actually looked at groff.texinfo? A pdf-Version can be found at http://groff.ffii.org/groff/groff-1.19.2.pdf Comments (and patches!) to improve this are highly welcome.