A, thank you so much (I needed to RTFM!) - R.
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:44 PM G. Branden Robinson <
g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> At 2024-02-19T12:40:16-0500, Robert Goulding via wrote:
> > To answer my own question: It seems that precon
shortcoming of preconv - that if a file contains just a
single accented character, it won't guess it correctly? The original file
it failed on was a 2-page pdf, which has the word kataskeuê in the middle
of it.
Robert.
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:52 AM Robert Goulding
wrote:
> I have been t
is minimal file
.LP
kataskeuê
Do you get a warning, and a weird character in the pdf?
But *this *minimal file compiles just fine:
.LP
kataskeuê êéè
No warnings, all the characters come out correct. What could be the reason?
(Using groff 1.23.0)
R.
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s" always fails in mounted filesystems. Once
I built it in my home directory, there was no longer an error.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 12:11 PM G. Branden Robinson <
g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> At 2023-07-27T11:54:13-0400, Robert Goulding wrote:
> >
tly remembering that this
> ever worked, or (b) a recent Debian package upgrade, possibly of
> libxaw7, libxt6, or libx11-6, regressed this.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
> Branden
>
> [1] This can be worked around by giving that dialog pop-up a keyboard
> accelera
As an ordinary user and lurker on this list, it has been extraordinary to
watch this release come together. Congratulations!
Robert Goulding
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On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 10:36 PM Steve Izma wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 07:31:50PM -0500, Dave Kemper wrote:
> > Subje
Many years ago,as a graduate student in the history of science, I read an
early-modern medical text that dealt with the method of "ſucking on ſores,"
which caused me chortle out loud in the British Library....
Robert Goulding
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 1:07 AM G. Brande
produces the documentation
> for the ms macro package using Computer Modern Unicode:
>
> % groff -Tpdf -t -ms -mcmu doc/ms.ms > doc/ms.pdf
>
>
> Hope this helps
> Alexis
>
>
> ¹ For those wondering: The Makefile deletes hyphens from the font names
> as groff did not p
Ah, thanks!
Robert Goulding
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On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 5:02 PM Dave Kemper wrote:
> On 12/4/22, Robert Goulding wrote:
> > The ANNOUNCE file says that RC2 is available at
> > https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/groff/, but I don't see it there -- only RC1.
>
> H
The ANNOUNCE file says that RC2 is available at
https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/groff/, but I don't see it there -- only RC1.
Robert.
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in the font search path is read. If in
doubt, copy the default download file (see section “Files” below)
to the first directory in the font search path and add your fonts
there."
If Deri says it looks for *all* the download files, then that must be
correct! But is the man
Just out of curiosity, has anyone written a script to, say, convert text
written with -ms to -me?
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tall-font
>
> isn't officially part of groff or mom, but I'm posting this on the
> list anyway. Someday, someone will grab the damned thing and make
> it part of groff.
>
> Robert Goulding discovered that contents of the
> system font/devps/download file must
I tend to agree. I've always thought that the italic Greek letters in eqn
output look very odd, and unlike anything I usually see in mathematical
texts.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 5:48 PM DJ Chase wrote:
> On Wed Jul 27, 2022 at 4:54 PM EDT, Robert Goulding wrote:
> > That seems to
troff will
not fall back on any special font when typesetting the math, so you should
*expect* to see Greek glyphs as they appear in your main roman text font.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 4:54 PM Robert Goulding
wrote:
> That seems to work! The only downside (if it is one), is that Greek in
> m
ETTER DELTA
> .char \[e*] \[u03B5] \" GREEK SMALL LETTER EPSILON
> .char \[z*] \[u03B6]\" GREEK SMALL LETTER ZETA
> .char \[y*] \[u03B7]\" GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA
> ...
>
> If you're stuck on groff 1.22.4, it's no big deal; the macro file uses
> no post-1.22.4 features. You can grab it from Git, drop it into your
> tmac search path, and go about your work.
>
>
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/groff.git/tree/contrib/rfc1345/rfc1345.tmac
>
> Regards,
> Branden
>
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hness! - Robert.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:33 PM G. Branden Robinson <
g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> At 2022-07-07T08:00:20-0400, Robert Goulding wrote:
> > I used pandoc to generate nicely formatted printouts of s.tmac
> > (because I want to stud
I restarted my computer, and now groff is building dvi's and pdf's without
complaining that it can't find DESC files (sorry, I didn't note exactly
which error message came up before).
Robert.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:13 PM Deri wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:03
?); gropdf
will only work if I set the font path explicitly with -F
I don't have any environment variables set ($GROFF_FONT_PATH) -- I checked.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 11:54 AM Robert Goulding
wrote:
> I completely uninstalled my 1.23 installation, and then the whole
> make/make install w
I completely uninstalled my 1.23 installation, and then the whole make/make
install went through without error.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 11:47 AM Robert Goulding
wrote:
> The download file in the build font/devpdf directory correctly points to
> the 9.53.3 installation of the Ghostscript
ts with no difficulties using my installed groff, even
though the download file was pointing at non-existent fonts?)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 11:30 AM Deri wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 July 2022 05:48:33 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> > Hi Robert,
>
> >
>
> > At 2022-07
And I checked out a brand new clone of the repository, and build failed
with the same error about Ghostscript 9.27.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 7:20 AM Robert Goulding
wrote:
> I can't understand it myself, but I did "make distclean" and
> re-configured, and got precisely the
nd redownloading and
rebootstrapping my copy, in case there is something stuck in there. Robert
Robert Goulding
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 12:48 AM G. Branden Robinson <
g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [looping in groff@gnu]
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> At 2022-07-06T17
Thanks very much, everyone! I'll give that a go.
Robert Goulding
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 7:18 PM Deri wrote:
> On Friday, 24 June 2022 16:35:55 BST Robert Goulding wrote:
> > I am trying to draw a huge diagram with pic - a chart with lots of boxes
> > and
out of space, and new boxes do not appear on the chart (or
appear in the wrong place).
R.
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tter.
>
> Yes; for things like this I think we need a reasonable solution for
> general audiences, trusting people to redefine things to meet their
> needs. Once we leave the fenced garden of man(7) and mdoc, the hood on
> the *roff vehicle becomes transparent, and the document author
I once managed to compile and run the source code to gremlin, the graphic
frontend for producing grn files. But it was quite primitive, and kind of
useless, so I didn't keep it.
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 9:53 AM Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> Hi Wim,
21 at 9:02 AM Dave Kemper wrote:
> On 6/23/21, Robert Goulding wrote:
> > When I run this through groff -ps -e -ms -k I get the message:
> >
> > warning: can't find special character 'u25B3'
> >
> > which I was kind of expecting. But is there any e
t; is Delta \[*D] a feasible substitute for your case?
>
> Oliver.
>
>
> On 23/06/2021 22:06, Robert Goulding wrote:
> > I'm sure this is very easy, but I'm rusty on groff fonts, and I'm not
> sure
> > how to do it. I want to add the triangle symbo
are three sides.
When I run this through groff -ps -e -ms -k I get the message:
warning: can't find special character 'u25B3'
which I was kind of expecting. But is there any easy way to point
grops towards the definition of U25B3?
Robert.
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implies
> or
> therefore
>
> as the appropriate thing.
>
> Regards - Damian
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owed by a trailing comma.
If you change the first line to
.LT BL
or one of the other types, everything is printed correctly.
Robert.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:55 AM Robert Goulding
wrote:
> I get the same result; and then tried variants with .LT instead of .MT,
> and the signature is not p
on.
> .FC Sincerely yours
> .SG
>
> Now the problem is that groff doesn't show the author's title below the
> author's name. Both heirloom and neatroff do, so it is maybe a bug in
> groff? Also both heirloom and neatroff show name and tile in bold,
> whereas g
garbage in the Chrome browser. I don't use Chrome.
> Can someone check if this is true?
>
> --
> Peter Schaffter
> https://www.schaffter.ca
>
>
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wrote:
> Hi Robert and Steffen,
>
> At 2021-02-11T23:03:47+0100, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
> > Robert Goulding wrote in
> > :
> > |I've been away from groff for a long time; I think the last time I
> used it,
> > |there was no Unicode support at all. Now I'
onv; but then troff seems to
decompose it into \[u03B5] which is ε and \[u0313] which is ̓ . So, if I
wanted to tell groff how to print ἐ, how do I go about it, when there seem
to be two internal representations?
Thanks very much - Robert.
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n_interpreted_node::~non_interpreted_node()in input.o
ld: symbol(s) not found
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [troff] Error 1
make[1]: *** [src/roff/troff] Error 2
make: *** [all] Error 2
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Gaius Mulley wrote:
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> For what it is worth, I've use:
>
> http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/www/html2rtf.pl
>
> to post process output from 'groff -Thtml'. The result is, imo,
> reasonable for lecture notes and basic text. Some examples are shown
>
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
>> "GNU troff?? What is that? These days the publishers really want either
>> MSWord or TEX files. We can try the HTML result, but I predict lots of
>> issues in the typesetting! You'll be correcting proofs for weeks.
>
> Maybe try troffcvt
>
OK, so I've almost finished writing an entire book with groff.
Nothing fancy involved: no equations or pictures, but LOTS of
footnotes and refer tags. I'm 2 weeks away from submitting the
manuscript, and have just let the editor know that I can send him
pdfs, and gnu troff source files -- or, if t
typeset equations just as rich and
complex as those in TeX. (You'll need to define eqn directives for
them, of course, and play around with spacing etc.)
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Robert Goulding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the past, I've played with the dvi backend, wh
other issue: I use Helvetica Bold for
> > gfont but Goudy Sans for grfont,
>
> Hmmm, I think it would have been better to use the same font
> family for math as for body text (like on page 28, "u = u(x)").
>
>
> > but Helvetica is perhaps 10% larger th
could be
wrong.
Thanks, Ralph - that certainly makes it a little easier to scroll
around. It would be nice, as you say, if hjkl (or the arrow keys)
could be recognized as scroll keys wherever the focus happens to be.
Robert.
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preview
page, I not only need to use the mouse, but also try to remember those
awful, counterintuitive Mosaic mouseclick scrolls. Inevitably, I bash the
arrow keys a few times hoping that they will scroll the screen, but
vainly...
so, could arrow-key scrolling be implemented easily in gxditv
Just went through the digest of groff material, and saw there has been
discussion of Kerkis. I used to have this online, while at Princeton, but
now (as Ted's detective work revealed!) I've moved to Notre Dame. I'm on
leave this year, in Europe, but somewhere I'm sure I still have the files
for
The -ms macros do in fact allow equation numbering (as I discovered much to
my relief the other day, when writing up an article), but this is not
mentioned in either groff_ms (7) or the info pages on -ms.
The manpage should read something like:
.TP
.BR ".EQ [\fI\,align\/\fP|\fI\,equation label\/
On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Ulf Bro wrote:
Hi,
With Groff 1.18.1 I seem to not be able to set line length and page
offset
with the .PO and .LL commands. Whatever I set in the input file
the document
produces a neat output file with something like 1 inch margin. Am
I doing
something w
This looks fascinating. It would be very useful for documenting some
of the less user-accessible tmac packages (-me, especially).
Can you make it available somewhere for download? - Robert.
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Erich Hoffmann wrote:
Hello all.
I'm rather hesitating to present my pr
On Jun 14, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Joerg van den Hoff wrote:
hi,
I asked this some 6 weeks ago but got no answers. hoping that the mail
maybe reaches some other list members this time I dare to repeat my
question:
after upgrading to 1.19.2 I get new warnings from refer which were'nt
there previ
when compiling pdfmark.pdf. Here they are:
export GROFF_TMPDIR; GROFF_TMPDIR='.'; export GROFF_COMMAND_PREFIX;
GROFF_COMMAND_PREFIX=''; export GROFF_BIN_DIR;
GROFF_BIN_DIR=/Users/rgouldin/Data/groff-current/src/roff/groff; export
GROFF_BIN_PATH; GROFF_BIN_PATH=`echo
/Users/rgouldin/Data/grof
On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
grog incorrectly identifies an -ms document as a -man document if it
uses the TH macro (which, in -ms, is used for identifying a tbl
header) together with the SH macro for an unnumbered heading.
Sorry for the late reply. Please send a small e
On Feb 1, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Larry Kollar wrote:
Robert Goulding wrote:
Has there been any movement on the groff wiki? Yet more interesting
snippets and tips have been posted recently - it would be nice to
preserve them somewhere accessible!
I've been adding the tips and other good
grog incorrectly identifies an -ms document as a -man document if it
uses the TH macro (which, in -ms, is used for identifying a tbl header)
together with the SH macro for an unnumbered heading.
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Notre
Just tried to make the latest snapshot, on Mac OS X.3.9. The make
fails with:
g++2 -I. -I. -I/Users/rgouldin/Data/groff-current/src/include
-I/Users/rgouldin/Data/groff-current/src/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -g -O2
-c preconv.cpp
preconv.cpp: In function `void conversion_iconv(FILE *, const st
Just an idea for the next release: pdfmark.ms (the source of the
pdfmark manual) should be installed in the examples directory of the
documentation tree. This annotated file is all but essential for
understanding how to create a pdf with the ms and pdfref macros.
Robert.
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on OSX, with makeinfo 4.8 installed. ./configure ends with the error:
configure: error: `makeinfo' is too old.
Get the `texinfo' package version 4.8 or newer.
From config.log:
configure:5470: checking for makeinfo
configure:5486: found /usr/local/bin/makeinfo
configure:5496: result: makeinfo
c
On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:46 PM, T. Kurt Bond wrote:
What's a good way to typeset arbitrary fractions like 1/100 and 1/1000
after the styel of \(12?
Preprocess with eqn (i.e., groff -e -ms):
.EQ
delim $$
.EN
.LP
We can write one-thousandth as $1 smallover 1000$.
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Just tried to compile the latest CVS on Mac OSX 10.3.9. The config
script fails with the message:
checking for makeinfo... makeinfo
sed: 1: "1 {s/^.* \([^ ]\+\)$/\1 ...": extra characters at the end of q
command
configure: error: `makeinfo' is too old.
Get the `texinfo' package version 4.8 or
y to do it, then to start the ball
rolling, I'll take on 2004.
Robert.
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On Oct 28, 2005, at 3:00 PM, (Ted Harding) wrote:
On 28-Oct-05 Robert Goulding wrote:
With all the discussion recently on the need for groff documents
teaching fundamentals and techniques - and with all the terrific
stuff that is frequently posted to this list (most recently,
Ted's sol
With all the discussion recently on the need for groff documents
teaching fundamentals and techniques - and with all the terrific stuff
that is frequently posted to this list (most recently, Ted's solution
for pie-graphs), it seems to me that a wiki for groff would be very
useful. We could:
REVISION should be updated from 2 to 3 in the CVS, to avoid confusion
with the released version.
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On Oct 24, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Jeremy Bettis wrote:
Or perhaps that separate has (sep)A RAT(e) in it.
- Original Message - From: "Keith MARSHALL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: [Mingw-users] Spelling Tip
Or perhaps that t
On Oct 24, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Larry McVoy wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:36:43AM -0600, D. E. Evans wrote:
Perhaps only rms, and a couple of others actually use 'GNU OS,'
but those who do, use info. I wouldn't say they it is right to
call all GNU OS users, developers.
This sounds like
On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:30 AM, Keith MARSHALL wrote:
Werner Lemberg wrote, quoting Larry McVoy:
And as the primary whiner on this topic, I'll volunteer to do the
work to convert the existing texinfo docs to roff.
This is a great offer, but I wonder whether it makes sense to use
the time you ar
On Oct 20, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Clarke Echols wrote:
I'd like to create the equivalent of a PowerPoint presentation
using PDF or other reasonable display. It would be nice to
be able to use the entire screen instead of a window, like
PowerPoint does. It has to run on Windows 98 and newer machine
On Oct 18, 2005, at 1:54 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
And there seems to be a good groff mode for vim. Unfortunately, the
groff mode for emacs is rather bad AFAIK...
Yet roff (1) reads "The best program for editing a roff document is
Emacs (or Xemacs)"...!
Robert.
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D. E. Evans wrote:
I have installed 1.19.2 (via todays cvs checkout) onto an OpenBSD
3.7 system, (which uses 1.15 by default). This also required an
upgrade of texinfo to 4.8, (both of which I installed from source).
I get the following result when accessing the man page for groff
(though
te
The new documentation files are not installed by the Makefile.
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On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
%^&*! OK, I've just committed my fourth try to fix the eternal getopt
problem. This time I use the gnulib version with a prefix to avoid
any collision with local getopt versions.
Groffers, please test!
Works perfectly for me now on OSX! -
On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:55 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
The latest changes in CVS lead to the following errors when
compiling on a Mac: [...]
Thanks, I hope this is fixed now in the CVS. Please test.
This morning I get:
g++ -I. -I. -I/Users/Robert/groff/src/include
-I/Users/Robert/groff/src/in
The latest changes in CVS lead to the following errors when compiling
on a Mac:
g++ -I. -I. -I/Users/Robert/groff/src/include
-I/Users/Robert/groff/src/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -g -O2 -c color.cpp
In file included from color.cpp:30:
/usr/include/unistd.h:183: error: declaration of `int getopt
On Jun 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Larry Kollar wrote:
Robert Goulding wrote:
... it *would* be good if there were a precompiled binary around -
I'm on vacation with a laptop without development tools installed,
and would very much like to be able to download a ready-made binary
of the lates
On Jun 1, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Miklos Somogyi wrote:
Is there a Mac OSX (Panther-Tiger) compiled version of groff available?
Does anyone have a commented version of the "me" macros?
Thank you very much,
Miklos
There doesn't seem to be a ready-compiled version of the latest groff
around. OS
as the -ms macros do. [This is
using the latest CVS].
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from
integer without a cast
getopt.c:1063: warning: passing arg 2 of `fprintf' makes pointer from
integer without a cast
getopt.c:1137: warning: passing arg 2 of `fprintf' makes pointer from
integer without a cast
make[2]: *** [getopt.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [src/libs/libgroff] Error 2
On Mar 24, 2005, at 9:39 AM, John Poltorak wrote:
Does GROFF handle the insertion of graphic images in a document?
I haven't seen any docs which tell me how this can be done. If there
are
any, then please point them out to me.
man groff_tmac (if you have the latest version of groff) or man grops
On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:36 PM, John Doe wrote:
Heh, just kidding. I was thinking more along the lines
of the TeX's fonts. Some people are allergic to
anything but TeX so I would enjoy fooling them if that
was possible :-)
Well, the easiest way is to produce dvi output, then run it through
dvips as u
On Mar 14, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Dorai Sitaram wrote:
I don't mind (too much) that the groff doc is currently in texinfo, but
does groff.texinfo convert into Info or HTML for anybody? It must, I
know,
so what is the magic?
It consistently fails to for me, and I have texinfo and makeinfo 4.7
(and
th
output; on the other
hand, the -mm crossref macros do everything you need for a written
report or article. They are every bit as powerful as LaTeX's native
crossref macros (i.e., without the addition of packages like hyperref).
Robert.
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Quoting Jon Snader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:17:45AM -0500, Peter Schaffter wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 12, 2005, Jon Snader wrote:
> > > I do have cross reference macros that I use for my books.
> >
> > > Peter, if you'd like to include them in mom or use them as a
> > > start
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