:
http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/1/diff
I agree that a LIMITATION is not a BUG, but sometimes a BUG is more severe than
an LIMITATION. If so, then it belongs in the man page.
Mike Bianchi
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:18:37AM +0100, Ralph
start to talk about
text processing and the question of how the next AWK book will be written.
Naturally troff(1) and groff(1) come up.
That part of the conversation starts here:
https://youtu.be/GNyQxXw_oMQ?t=1312
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ect solution to the '-' controversy is to format
everything at is an ASCII expression in an ASCII font which has no
concept of '\-' .
((I come from the days when all UNIX documentation was formated using nroff.))
he domains of
UNIX Archeology and Software Preservation.
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you might have to manually format an item is if one side-by-side table item
takes up _more_ than one page.
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went unanswered as well as a much more recent thread[2] that deals
preferably more or less automagically. I've searched the list already
page, the other on the verso page, synchronized somehow by paragraph,
bilingual text parallel by pages, as in, one language on the recto
and came
inks within the pdf, specifying meta-data for the pdf, etc.. This document
> covers those areas. All these "extensions" are facilitated using the \X
> escape
> for example, which allows you to send information directly to the output
> driver.
>
> The gropdf man page.
fferentiates the particular implementation.
But if groff was the only command you were exposed to ... growl like a dog.
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uilt-in troff macros are two letters (or more). So
> if you see a one-letter macro, it's definitely a macro and not a
> standard troff request.
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gisters or strings!
>
> For an example of an advanced document written with mu, see
> http://git.ankarstrom.se/mu/plain/README.pdf.
>
> I hope you find it interesting and perhaps even useful. Feel free to
> write any questions or feedback.
>
> Best regards
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OC once the requirements
> have been set.
>
> Has this already been studied? Would this be an initiative you
> would support?
>
> Best regards,
> JM Marcastel
>
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so it is maybe a bug in
> > groff? Also both heirloom and neatroff show name and tile in bold,
> > whereas groff only shows the name an does not do so in bold.
> >
> > Maybe someone with more experience in roff can explain what goes wrong.
> >
> > Sincerly,
> >
> > Andreas Eder
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> This is a minimal version of the last example from the tbl document that
> reproduces the funny behavior. It breaks the line as in the source, but the
> table grows beyond the page and doesn't stay as nice as seen e.g. on the troff
> FAQ or when using groff -Tpdf -t -ms. Am
ldn’t matter much. My college roommate sent me a book he wrote
> in -mm, back in the 80s, and I got Groff to format it by adding “\&” to
> the beginning (he had a custom cover). The same should apply to -ms
> documents.
>
> If we want to support data archaeologists, maybe we should write a
> separate document for them. :D
>
> — Larry
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Doug McIlroy.
tx
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hat you wrote your first tutorial
> for using the antecedents of groff more than half your lifetime ago!
OK! Everyone line up in the order of their first exposure to *roff.
Mr McIlroy all the way on the right ...
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at about “upstart" scripting languages such as Perl or Python?
>
> OK, that’s all I have, and I’m up way past bedtime. Does anyone else have
> ideas about
> what should be in an updated UTP?
>
> — Larry
>
> ---
> *This implies updating the macros to work
ed. Isn't
> it sad that nothing more modern is available?
>
> Greg
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> Sent from my desktop computer.
> Finger g...@lemis.com for PGP public key.
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
> This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail pro
c that starts with
> something like `mso mm`.
That is the equivalent.
In the UNIX/Linux world there are many correct solutions.
Enjoy the journey!
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Bench
was happening and in one of the first groups to do our PL/I code development on
a UNIX PWB machine that took the place of a card puncher, punch card reader and
printer. Said another way, it was a work environment making use of a new
Bell Labs innovation. It led into a career.
> �: The New Hacker's Dictionary definition of RL is "Real life"
>(http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/R/RL.html)
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Bjarni,
Nice, tight analysis and proposed solutions. Thank you.
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On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 11:58:01PM +, Bjarni Ingi Gislason wrote:
snip
> 1) The missing part is information.
> Solution:
> a)
occasionally, see. I think UTF-8 encoding may be such.
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n into trouble, but it would have been a more easily understood
> trouble.
>
> What do folks think?
>
> Regards,
> Branden
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y ship.
See
https://youtu.be/6v6wdK2EbIQ?t=298
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I nominate Brian Kernighan.
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:30:21PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Doug McIlroy :
> > Please excuse my antediluvian hangover.
>
> *snort*
>
> If I had to make a list of the
h a different terminal interface.
Or a dialog interface.
So my question is does any have experience with a terminal
walk-the-decision-tree interface they like?
Could it serve as a model for info2 ?
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Strings as first-class objects
(instead of a collection of array side effects)
Hardened memory management
Hardened pointer management
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he two.
>
> Before I go fishing for the problem, has anybody else experienced this and
> have a fix?
>
> Thanks - Damian
>
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any languages where they exist.
As to groff, et. al., they are stable enough that any translations would remain
useful, especially for those approaching them for the first time.
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tranported from one
> table line to a later one or even to another table.
>
> Code size: 130 lines of perl
>
> Limitations: Multiline table enties are not supported.
>
> If there is interest, I'll post the script and an example.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> ulrich lauther
>
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t;
> .SH NAME
>
> .
>
> I could not find this in the groff manual. It seems to do nothing.
> Any ideas ?
>
> re,
> wh
>
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(unshift ") with straight and angled glyphs.
Once again, is anyone working on a UTF-8/Unicode keyboard?
I see a need coming.
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have the technology.
www.nkkswitches.com/nkk-smartswitch-lcd-36-x-24-pushbutton-display-enhanced-accommodate-low-voltage/
Certainly an extension keypad of programmable glyph keys would be doable!)
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be
changed via a personalized configuration file. Say .groff-Ttxt.rc .
Just don't go changing the definition of existing groff options such that
what was rendered yesterday is different to what rendered today.
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a credit. The same for ed .
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). I don't recall any place where this was all written down
in an orderly fashion, though it's interesting and maybe some enthusiast
could take it on. Maybe Doug McIlroy remembers -- he did a roff-like
program, as did I, and several others.
Brian
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be useful. Mom macros
> really need the documentation that's in the html/pdf docs. It's
> enough for the manpage to give the entry points, IMO.
>
> Since groff_mom(7) isn't actually my baby, I'm asking for opinions
> before I go ahead.
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d a footnote reference to "Edition 1.22.4".
That way this could become a living document! A perpetual current resource!
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could add a "Tricks and Techniques" section that would
collect gems such as this one.
or
maybe add this trick to
www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/html_node/Manipulating-Hyphenation.html
It, and many like it, deserve a better fate than &qu
appearance quickly realized the value of separating the
those two concerns.
The prevalence of What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get documentation ("... Is All You
Get": Brian Kernighan) has hidden the possibilities from the popular mind.
It is good to see the idea of computing documents being rediscovered.
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rnal_name] [-i n] [-o output_file] afm_file
> > map_file
> > +font_name
>
> :
> :
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switches in postscript output via man -Tps:
>
> man -Tps groff | sed 's:/minus:/hyphen:g' > groff.ps
>:
Hummm ...
How about a character named
asciiminusU+002D
?
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ki/Const_(computer_programming)
:
:
I was wrong. Those two lines _are_ identical.
The example code I lifted even illustrated that.
const int *ptrToConst; //identical to: int const *ptrToConst,
My apologies to [groff].
((more to come))
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here a path by which the confusions such as these can be
avoided in the design and implementation of C-like language?
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in language design without really trying."
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 03:58:33PM -0400, Steve Izma wrote:
> When I write, I only want to think about the words ...
> and the structure of my argument ...
May I add a big Amen!
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the ideas
and features available in Plan 9 Troff, Heirloom Troff, and Groff.
He has an ambitious hobby :)
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e a Z macro package containing both Z_Aroff.tmac and Z_Broff.tmac
is something to be hope for.
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Sans), so I guess it's somewhat of an
> "official" rendering, although the coordinates are probably
> munged a bit as a result of embedding in the PDF.
>
>
> .\"
> .\"
> .char \(bs \X'ps: import ATa
> > eqn as part of the inline equation delimeters set beforehand with `delim
> > $$'. Moving the `.de $c' definition to before the `.EQ' to `.EN' block
> > would seem the simplest solution.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers, Ralph.
> > https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy
> >
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useful/gpresent/
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e use of the PAUSE macro, it can also be used
> for making slides.
>
> Enjoy,
> Bob
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On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:43:40AM -0400, Doug McIlroy wrote:
> The Fedora system I have access to lacks /usr/share/doc/groff, and
> in particular the wonderful tutorial /usr/share/doc/groff/pic.ps.
On Debian 8
locate pic.ps
returns
/usr/share/doc/groff-base/pic.ps.gz
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. The order of the checks I perform are:
BOM
UTF-8
UTF-16 (newline)
UTF-16 (null distribution)
:
:
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convert just
because a "better way" comes along.
Remember when the "modern" way to archive was to put everything onto
microfiche?
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Woops.
Never mind.
Mike
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:08:29PM -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 05:00:37PM +0200, E. Hoffmann wrote:
> > Am Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:28:04 -0400
> > schrieb
utf8 foo
?
see man 1 groff :
-k Preprocess with preconv . ...
-s Preprocess with soelim .
That way groff knows the crucial ordering, etc.
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complicated than
_I_ would like. Typing \(hy for hyphen would have been a heavy burden,
especially in the absence of the .char groff extension.
Probably the best solution available now is fixing any incorrect documentation
so as to speak truth.
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to gain support. :-)
> How to produce it is the issue.
Absolutely. I propose
wc -l
if - was \N'45' It would make sense for future generations. As a first
generation UNIX citizen it is interesting to contemplate how much longer the
man pages groff documents will be relevant.
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inally did, and \(pl and \(mi come
> from the the current font per the previous paragraph, they
> become redundant.
>
> So I remain confused.
>
> Doug
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00-
> .tc -
> Bob Williams\t3/3/56\t(999) 555-
> .fi
> .P
> A sentence to end the example.
>
>
> I get a result with everything smashed together, as if the "\t"s weren't
> there at all.
>
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
>
ong ago I developed the habit of putting lines consisting of only a .
wherever I wanted some white-space to help my understanding of the document
content as opposed to the formated document appearance. It sometimes makes
editing the groff input much easier.
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d.pdf
or
troff-revised.pdf
Are you referring to the 1992 version by Brian Kernighan?
THAT I can find.
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the content.
So I have used [ntg]roff all these years because I can concentrate on the
content. The presentation (once I've picked and implemented a style) takes
care of itself.
I even use an nroff filter I wrote in the 1980s on my outgoing e-mail for
exactly that reason.
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> .TE
> or
> .H 2 "Another Heading"
> .DS 0
> .\" some display which needs to be done literally
> .
> .DE
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he real fix please?
> .\" Finish of example
>
> Regards - Damian
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cat manual.ps | gv /dev/stdin
gv: Cannot open file /dev/stdin (No data available)
cat manual.ps | ( sleep 1; gv /dev/stdin )
gv: Cannot open file /dev/stdin (No data available)
I suspect a funny race condition involving pipes.
All my shell code using gv employ files na
d i am trying to use the ".1C" macro.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Marisa
Try changing .1C to .DS and add the line
.DE
at the bottom.
Does that get closer to what you want?
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" documents they once were.
Occasionally I use the hack of extracting the PostScript with pdf2ps(1)
and then use ps2pdf12(1) to turn it back into PDF.
I've no idea why it works; it is just a lazy get-around.
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, it would involve making the warning
within the .PGFORM dcoumentation unnecessary.
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I am one such person, and have many sad tails to tell of my ignorance.
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;#ifndef foo"
> print "."
> next
> }
>
> END {
> print "w\nq"
> }
> ' >foo.ed
> cat foo.ed
> echo
>
> sed -i '/^\t=/d' foo.ed
> ed -s foo.new
> diff <(diff -Dfoo foo bar) foo.new && echo ok
> --8<--snip--
>
> It's not had much testing as I've just knocked it up, but it shows the
> idea. And you might want to ditch the cpp commands and switch to
> something that's nicer to handle in the rest of the script. Or maybe do
> the .mk-up directly.
>
> Cheers, Ralph.
>
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Hi Mike,
>
> On Thu, Apr 16 2015 at 08:23:21 PM, Mike Bianchi wrote:
> > I've been dealing with updates to contrib/gmkdiff within groff, and there
> > is an issue that I could use some help with ...
> >
> > Over the years, the bash-isms of the original shell s
e.in ,
etc.
Is there any autoconf/automake guru out there
willing to help me get this right?
Discussion can be found at
http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?44768
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recursively
> ├── -f ignore nonexistent files, never prompt
> └── *Remove (unlink) files matching this text pattern.
Are you aware of rm --help ?
The --help argument is very common in commands.
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http://xkcd.com/1167/
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PostScript glyph name `notequal'.
>
>
> I hope this helps. Patches to improve the docs are really welcome :-)
Also:
Could a trace option be added so the path of \[u2260] interpretation
could be seen?
May a tool that shows the choices when there are "equivalent"
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is a device dependent measurement,
which is quite small, ranging from 1/75th to 1/72000th of an ... Ens.
In groff , this is half of an em.
That's what I pointed you to which happens to be contained in
info groff > groff.txt
which is what Ralph suggested.
Many roads lead to ...
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; . nr c1 1i
> . nr c2 0.2i
> . nr c3 1i
> . nr c4 4i
> . nr c5 3i\}
> .el \{\
> . nr PS 9
> . nr c1 0.5i
> . nr c2 0.01i
> . nr c3 0.5i
> . nr c4 2.5i
> . nr c5 1.5i\}
> .TS H
> expand,center;
>
w(0.01i) lw(0.5i) lw(2.5i) lw(1.4i).
>13 .el lw(1i) lw(0.2i) lw(1i) lw(5i) lw(3i).
>
> However, it seems tbl doesn't understand this:
>
> tbl:wish.1:12: `.' not last character on line
> tbl:wish.1:12: giving up on this table
>
> Please advise
>
> T
h.article
Go at Google: Language Design in the Service of Software Engineering
I found that Go language article by Pike worth reading.
Now it is a simple matter of translating Groff into Go. ;)
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language for too long I forget and start misinterpreting code in other
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of its admirers. For now, I pretty much love it as it is and accept (and pride
myself in sometimes mastering) its idiosyncrasies.
Someday there may be a successor typesetting system where the writer thinks
of the text in terms of _only_ I'm writing, and the typesetting _only_ in terms
of clear rules that make it all look pretty and correct. Again, I dream.
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hich are the reasons I
prefer extra space after sentences, etc.) have nothing to do with "the rules."
Sigh.
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 07:13:06PM +0100, Carsten Kunze wrote:
> Mike Bianchi
> > It should be allowed,
> > but the evidence is that pic does not see .PS and .PE as macros.
>
> Yes, but this is somehow an imcomplete implementation. ...
For what it is worth, tbl and
ier to read because I read fast.
I often copy text off of web pages and documents and run it through groff to
get the double-space-after-sentence format and "reasonable" line lengths.
I find it helps my reading and comprehension.
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On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 08:18:55PM +, Bjarni Ingi Gislason wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:25:22AM -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > Oddly, this works as expected.
> > .br
> > .rs
> > .nr Q \n[.ns]
> > .sp |0.5i
&g
ot;no-space mode is OFF",
so position of the Q = [01] text is opposite of what I expect.
Am I confused about something?
Oddly, this works as expected.
.br
.rs
.nr Q \n[.ns]
.sp |0.5i
Q = \n[Q]
Prints
Q = 0
0.5 inch down from the top edge.
So th
e also published a
Kindle book "Hello, World! Opinion columns from the Daily
Princetonian", ...
I've not kept up with the current Unicode state of groff.
Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
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On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 05:07:51PM +0200, Carsten Kunze wrote:
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> Von: Mike Bianchi
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> > In troff, the number of / characters necessary to output a single
> > / character grows exponentially with macro depth.
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> Ok, bu
y with macro depth.
This is why the \e escape was created:
... \e represents the current escape character.
To get a backslash glyph, use \(rs or \[rs].
groff(7)
Brian: I hope I represented this accurately. ;)
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is behaviour.
If time stamps are just notations in the binary that _always_ show up in the
same places, it should be very easy to create a map of where they are and
ignore them when doing the bit-for-bit compare.
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> This little thing has provoked quite some interest!
This is what I like about this group!
There is such depth of knowledge that we all can draw on.
Is it possible to make .char \[-+] ... something that is part of the
S font by default?
Otherwise we are likely to revisit this in a year or two.
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work ...
.char \[-+] \f[S]\z+\v'-.35v'\-\v'.35v'\f[]
\[-+] \[+-]
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the pointer, Ralph!
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