Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > Putting the motions in the diversion was how I went about it first. > > When that didn't pan out, I went the string route, which was when I > > discovered the diversion needed an actual glyph in it in order to > > work as I hoped. > > Just out of

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread onf
On Wed Dec 18, 2024 at 2:15 AM CET, onf wrote: > On Wed Dec 18, 2024 at 12:14 AM CET, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > There are a few other words that don't follow the pattern. > > "filtrate" is the fluid that has been filtered, but I don't > > think "to filtrate" is a valid word. And "orientation" is

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread onf
On Wed Dec 18, 2024 at 12:14 AM CET, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > With that said, not being a native speaker, if I had to turn "sequestration" > > into a verb, I would say "sequestrate" too and it would sound right to me... > > There are a few other words that don't follow the pattern. > "filtrate" i

synchronous and asynchronous grout (was: Novel use of .char)

2024-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Deri, I'm going to quote your whole presentation (omitting quotes of myself) because it is a tour de force of explication. At 2024-12-18T00:19:28+, Deri wrote: > The model I use to understand the difference between \X and \! > (.device and .output) is that one uses an in-band channel (\X)

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-12-18T01:04:58+0100, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > Wrapping a diversion inside a character definition is indeed a > > novel thing to do. At first blush, I admire the creativity. > > At second blush, the prescriptivist and black-gloved input > > validator in me recoils. ("Why isn't this banne

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread Deri
On Tuesday, 17 December 2024 17:52:50 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > The fundamental requirement for \X is that it remains in the > > chronology of the output stream. If there is a colour change before \X > > it needs to occur first, if there are word gaps before the \X, they > > should be outp

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> Putting the motions in the diversion was how I went about it first. > When that didn't pan out, I went the string route, which was when I > discovered the diversion needed an actual glyph in it in order to > work as I hoped. Just out of curiosity, was displaying the image the only purpose of t

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> Wrapping a diversion inside a character definition is indeed a > novel thing to do. At first blush, I admire the creativity. > At second blush, the prescriptivist and black-gloved input > validator in me recoils. ("Why isn't this banned?" he roars.) > My third reaction is as a system designer

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> With that said, not being a native speaker, if I had to turn "sequestration" > into a verb, I would say "sequestrate" too and it would sound right to me... There are a few other words that don't follow the pattern. "filtrate" is the fluid that has been filtered, but I don't think "to filtrate"

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread onf
Hi Branden, On Tue Dec 17, 2024 at 8:29 PM CET, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > [...] > (Did you hear that the Siberian traps appear to be roaring to life?[1] > Many of us under the age of 60 can look forward to dying of heat stroke.) Not really, but I know there are many places where the permafrost

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > One thing that itches me a little about using a diversion this way is > that I've documented glyphs as being drawn upward and to the right from > the text baseline. That's not happening here. So either I've > documented the formatter wrong or you

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Peter, At 2024-12-17T13:58:15-0500, Peter Schaffter wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > I'm glad Peter raised; now that commit has to fold. :) > > I almost feel guilty for opening this can of worms. :) I was looking > for an explanation for the behaviour, which I ass

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi onf, At 2024-12-17T19:48:24+0100, onf wrote: > On Tue Dec 17, 2024 at 7:00 PM CET, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > Is that a standard English word? "Sequester" is; sometimes used in > > U.S. criminal procedure to refer to a process of isolating a jury > > during its deliberations. I think I've

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > I'm glad Peter raised; now that commit has to fold. :) I almost feel guilty for opening this can of worms. :) I was looking for an explanation for the behaviour, which I assumed was "correct", my (somewhat) novel mapping of image-to-glyph with .c

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread onf
On Tue Dec 17, 2024 at 7:48 PM CET, onf wrote: > > But groff also breaks it just fine for me. > > > > $ hyphen sequestration > > se‐ques‐tra‐tion > > > > $ cat ~/bin/hyphen > > [...] > > However, I have a file where hyphentation is setup like this: > .mso en.tmac > .de HY > . hy 4 > .. > >

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread onf
Hi Branden, On Tue Dec 17, 2024 at 7:00 PM CET, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Is that a standard English word? "Sequester" is; sometimes used in > U.S. criminal procedure to refer to a process of isolating a jury during > its deliberations. I think I've also seen it in fiscal contexts. > > "seque

Re: [PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi onf, At 2024-12-17T18:18:39+0100, onf wrote: > --- > These words currently don't hyphenate at all with en.tmac. Is that a standard English word? "Sequester" is; sometimes used in U.S. criminal procedure to refer to a process of isolating a jury during its deliberations. I think I've also see

Re: Novel use of .char

2024-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-12-16T16:35:22+, Deri wrote: > On Sunday, 15 December 2024 23:54:08 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > Crudely, it _looks_ like the baseline might be getting shifted > > upward by the vertical dimension of the image, as if placement of > > the image-based character "knew" it needed to c

[PATCH groff] tmac/hyphenex.en: add patterns for sequestrate & its derivates

2024-12-17 Thread onf
--- These words currently don't hyphenate at all with en.tmac. tmac/hyphenex.en | 4 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+) diff --git a/tmac/hyphenex.en b/tmac/hyphenex.en index 768c0af9d..bd7303613 100644 --- a/tmac/hyphenex.en +++ b/tmac/hyphenex.en @@ -59,6 +59,10 @@ ring-leaders round-t