Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2015-01-25 3:52 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Ultimately, if someone is interested in knowing what a team is doing, they should spend however much time they feel is necessary for them to be kept abreast of a team. Whether that be following a team blog, subscribing to a mailing list, watching A

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Larissa Shapiro
Having read the entire discussion, Mike’s proposal seems most up to date to me and I support it. I definitely would like to have static links and to have public channels logged, I would also like bots to notify people when they join a public channel that it is being logged. I think that’s alread

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Fred Wenzel
I'll keep it short, not to beat a dead horse: I'm with the people having concerns about general public archiving of all/most IRC channels because it takes semi-public chatter into the indefinitely-archived-and-googleable world, which effectively kills the medium as a watercooler equivalent (or, at

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Patrick Cloke
On 1/26/2015 12:48 PM, Larissa Shapiro wrote: I would also like bots to notify people when they join a public channel that it is being logged. I think that’s already happening in some places. Please don't do this. There's already too many bots that send information to users that they're really

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Patrick Cloke wrote: > On 1/26/2015 12:48 PM, Larissa Shapiro wrote: >> >> I would also like bots to notify people when they join a public channel >> that it is being logged. I think that’s already happening in some places. > > > Please don't do this. There's alrea

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread merwin
Jumping on this late... Putting aside the question of what logging is currently occurring, we want to ensure that any logging that could occur as a matter of policy - and any data collection, retention, and sharing generally - satisfies a specific, material need and is limited to what is requir

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
The justification is that we are doing it wrong by defaulting to closed decision making where not everyone can transparently see all the discussions we have in the project. Great post that talks about this discussion btw and the importance of open: http://stormyscorner.com/2015/01/working-in-the-o

Re: Logging All Public Project IRC Channels

2015-01-26 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2015-01-26 10:30 PM, mer...@mozilla.com wrote: Jumping on this late... Putting aside the question of what logging is currently occurring, we want to ensure that any logging that could occur as a matter of policy - and any data collection, retention, and sharing generally - satisfies a speci