Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Florent Fayolle
The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term question [1]. What worries me the most here is the AJAX requests made at each click on that page. I agree with Benoit: we can't reassure our users by some little clauses accessible on some page on the web, because they won't r

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Rubén Martín
Hi, I fully support Benoit words. I followed and was involved in the discussion about the GA switch years ago and even with the explanation I didn't feel comfortable with it. As an example, at Mozilla Hispano sites, we used to have GA too. Basically because it was the best and easiest way to do a

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Michael Kelly
I don't think he's on this mailing list, so I'm CCing Gareth Cull, who is the Analytics Engineer for mozilla.org. He can answer any specific questions about why a particular type of tracking was put on mozilla.org (which may give insight into the greater purpose of this kind of analytics). I'm not

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Florent Fayolle
I am talking about this page: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldversion=28.0 Each time a button is clicked on that page, a request is done: http://i.imgur.com/85WsrUP.png Florent ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Michael Kelly
Re-CCing Gareth so he can answer. :D - Mike Kelly On Thu May 1 09:49:29 2014, Florent Fayolle wrote: > I am talking about this page: > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldversion=28.0 > > Each time a button is clicked on that page, a request is done: > http://i.imgur.com/85Ws

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Pascal Chevrel
Le 01/05/2014 15:20, Michael Kelly a écrit : I don't think he's on this mailing list, so I'm CCing Gareth Cull, who is the Analytics Engineer for mozilla.org. He can answer any specific questions about why a particular type of tracking was put on mozilla.org (which may give insight into the great

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Stormy Peters
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Florent Fayolle < florent.fayoll...@gmail.com> wrote: > The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term > question [1]. > What worries me the most here is the AJAX requests made at each click on > that page. > > I agree with Benoit: we can't re

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 01/05/2014 15:43, Pascal Chevrel wrote: Looking at the Piwik site, it seems some big companies like T-Mobile use it, I know the volume we have on mozilla.org so maybe Piwik doesn't scale *yet* to out needs, but this is an open source project and as such, fixable, and that doesn't mean that we

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread gcull
On Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:58:43 AM UTC-4, Stormy Peters wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Florent Fayolle < > > florent.fayoll...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term > > > question [1]. > > > What worries me the most here

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Michael Kelly
On 5/1/14 10:43 AM, Pascal Chevrel wrote: > Was Piwik and other analytics solutions evaluated or was it just a > direct decision to go to GA because we know it scales to our needs and > everybody use it? If Piwik was evaluated and some features were missing, > did we open bugs, communicate with P

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Majken Connor
I think the "master" question is: How would we know if Google is misusing the data? All of the others follow out of that. If we can't know whether or not Google is misusing the data then it's a matter of faith, and that's not the best position to be in. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Michael K

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Pascal Chevrel
Le 01/05/2014 17:17, Gijs Kruitbosch a écrit : On 01/05/2014 15:43, Pascal Chevrel wrote: Looking at the Piwik site, it seems some big companies like T-Mobile use it, I know the volume we have on mozilla.org so maybe Piwik doesn't scale *yet* to out needs, but this is an open source project and

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread David Bruant
Le 01/05/2014 16:58, Stormy Peters a écrit : On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Florent Fayolle < florent.fayoll...@gmail.com> wrote: The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term question [1]. What worries me the most here is the AJAX requests made at each click on that pa

Re: Inconsistency: Tracking users with Google Analytics on pages promoting Privacy

2014-05-01 Thread Jim
The problem is that Mozilla do no understand privacy. This web page demonstrates this in many ways. The web page should have been designed to work even with JavaScript disabled and this is the core failure. If the web page had been designed to work well with JS disabled then it would have b