Just don't moderate it. No need to go nuclear.
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 23:53:32 UTC, bradfitz wrote:
>
> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
> dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
>
> That is so beyond unethical and immatu
I completely agree with Brad on this.
I also closed my account the day it happened.
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I think some readers are missing the OP's attempt to invoke the wise words
of Obi Wan Kenobi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0znNiN0lYAQ
On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 8:57:22 PM UTC-6, Nathaniel Nutter wrote:
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> Are all 25,171 subscribers scum and villainy? As a someone that reads
> /r/go
I would just like to point out what a genuinely vile response this is. Your
vague and menacing implication is that Florian is somehow a sexist because
he disagrees with you is beneath you, Dave, and you should apologise.
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 6:26:40 PM UTC+13, Dave Cheney wrote:
>
What /u/spez did was not "inane" or "immature". If he had replied to the
comments, insulting the commenter's mother's face or something, that would
be inane and immature.
Modifying a user's comments, putting words in their mouth, is fundamentally
a completely different thing. It is intellectu
Hello,
I'm abjectly torn. I understand and agree that there are strong moral
boundaries and trust realms that have been broken.
Simply put, reddit has become digg, the shame...
I also understand (and firmly believe) that the moderation of the reddit
/r/golang community has been lackadaisical at
Please note that Brad has since posted on Hacker News that he no longer
wants to delete r/golang, but simply make it
unofficial: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13037636
I think this is perfectly fine. Honestly, I don't think many people felt
that anything on reddit was official.
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I'm baffled at the people that agree to lessen the voice of Go. If Reddit is
not suited to your taste or morals, that's understandable, continue down the
road of creating an official alternative, but don't shut down a positive space
in a very large world because you find the actions of the owner
Hey all, I read reddit.com/r/golang regularly, and so I'd really hope to
have an equal or better alternative to take its place if the group is
considering moving the discussion.
I'm happy to offer the Pressly platform as a potential successor to the
reddit group discussion. It's a modern group
Please, find a better solution. Don't delete years of discussion and
curated content. And, the Go subreddit is the work of the community over
there and this question should be directed at them.
Minimizing the involvement and making it a unofficial space should be the
first attempt. An unofficia
I have to agree with this poster.
I'm an experienced developer but reasonably new to Go.
Frankly nothing about the subreddit indicates that it's official. I suggest
that the Go team withdraw from moderating the subreddit if they do not
agree with recent events on reddit itself. Leave a note in
God no!
Only because bradfitz has a problem with Reddit doesn't mean that all
others do
Squatting /r/golang and not handing moderation over would be a very unfair
move to those who liked *and still like* Reddit
If you don't wanna be a mod, fair enough, step down but leave us in peace!
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This move is just petty and overreactive, considering the /r/golang
community was not asked prior to this proposal, I was informed about this
through a post from a non-moderator user.
How am I supposed to trust you ever again to not just delete a forum or any
platform of discourse because someon
The most immature and unethical thing I've seen today is that this thread
exists. Stamping your feet over something as inane as a mod abusing his powers
on an internet forum while simultaneously abusing your powers as a mod
threatening to delete an entire community over something out of their h
I agree Reddit is a bit toxic place, but I also think it would be
overreaction to delete /r/golang. I think it would be better to just mark
it as 'unofficial' subreddit.
Community != CEO.
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 1:53:32 AM UTC+2, bradfitz wrote:
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> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitt
> It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy. The Go subreddit was the only
> thing similar to human and it is downright painful most of the time.
Way to go insulting everyone on Reddit. I'm neither scum or a "villain".
I also spend a lot of time on /r/golang and it's nowhere near painful, I
have
google+? how about we just move to a MySpace group?
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On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 11:39:38 PM UTC-5, Nate Finch wrote:
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> Yes, the CEO did a really shitty thing. If we burned down the website of
> every company where someone in power did something shitty, we'd have no
> websites left.
>
>
If we do burn down the website of every company t
While I understand where this is coming from, I'm asking not to do this.
Given the recent amount of "drama" in Go community, I don't think it would
be wise to add additional dividing factors. If Go Core team is concerned
about their messages integrity, I think we can just remove "Official Go"
t
Relax, it was a primarily personal statement from Brad and he wanted to to
see if it was shared by others.
I am more baffled that not everyone agrees with him but that again is a
personal view...
fre 25 nov. 2016 kl 15:41 skrev :
> It is not up to the Go team to decide where the community choose
It is not up to the Go team to decide where the community chooses to spend
their time. The arrogance in previous statements is staggering.
The CEO changed something on a totally unrelated subreddit. Sounds like that
incident is used to clean house for Go (get rid of Reddit); a political move
th
As a /r/golang user, I remember being delighted to find out that actual core
contributors came in and commented. I never never occurred to me that the
subreddit would have been considered official.
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Please don't ! It's a neat resource to discover new projects. And one of
the forums I send newbies to, so that they could get a feel for real world
Go projects and questions. I am sure people will volunteer to moderate if
the current moderators don't want to.
On Friday, 25 November 2016 05:23:
+1 , delete it. Or let some other group take care of it and remove any
official connection / link to golang.org . That farce lasted long enough.
Let's concentrate on promoting Go the right way, not on a forum full of
toxicity and shoddy admins. Stackoverflow is a better way to ask focused
quest
The disconnect between what the Go team acting as moderators think
about themselves, and what the reddit thinks about the moderator is
disconcerting, and it proves that these people are the wrong people
for the job.
Because some guy (not associated with either Go or /r/golang) abused
his power, th
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Brad Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I also want to understand whether the Go project considers /r/golang an
> official space. The fact that the sidebar says "If you encounter an issue,
> please mail cond...@golang.org" suggests to me that it IS an official space.
And this i
On 25-11-2016, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:59:18 -0800 (PST)
> Ainar Garipov wrote:
>
>> Please no. Google Groups is awful, Reddit's /r/golang is where I get
>> most of my Go news. I don't want to sift through a forum with no
>> voting system, and awful and slow overly-JS-
Isn't this like saying a whole country is bad because of its
president/leader? A whole community cannot be bad because of what one
person did, nor can a whole company because of its CEO. golang-nuts/-dev
would not be closed if one Google person behaves bad. We are a community of
our own, we are
So 2¢:
a) I dislike reddit, it has a pretty bad culture of voting by opinion,
drowning out opinions seen as different from the mob and it just, in
general, has too many assholes (not /r/golang specifically, but reddit in
general).
b) I think one good argument for /r/golang over other things (like
+
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM Konstantin Khomoutov <
flatw...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:59:18 -0800 (PST)
> Ainar Garipov wrote:
>
> > Please no. Google Groups is awful, Reddit's /r/golang is where I get
> > most of my Go news. I don't want to sift through a for
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Ainar Garipov wrote:
> Please no. Google Groups is awful, Reddit's /r/golang is where I get
> most of my Go news. I don't want to sift through a forum with no
> voting system, and awful and slow overly-JS-ed design.
On a side note I continue to wonder why
Please no. Google Groups is awful, Reddit's /r/golang is where I get most
of my Go news. I don't want to sift through a forum with no voting system,
and awful and slow overly-JS-ed design.
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 2:53:32 AM UTC+3, bradfitz wrote:
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> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitti
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> Moderators of a subreddi
Or, you should just leave, stop saying /r/golang is an official go channel,
and leave it to its fate. I see no reason to delete it whatsoever.
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 1:53:32 AM UTC+2, bradfitz wrote:
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> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
> dozen news
Moderators of a subreddit can choose to have "restricted submissions", so
that only approved submitters can post. This will fill the purpose of
disabling new content while still keeping the old content available.
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Seriously if the community is really a community then it will pop up in
another form. If not then it was never really a community to begin with.
I agree with Brad that this isn't something I want to condone. In fact if
people stopped using services with mgmt like this more often then crap like
thi
Brad,
Again I want to applaud the phenomenal job the moderation staff does on
/r/golang. The team really makes it a useful resource. It's become a daily
part of my routine as well as countless others.
Seeing how this thread has blown up I would like to suggest we put this to
some sort of vote if
I am glad you are discussing this here instead of privately with the
mods...which in my mind would have been as regrettable as what /u/spez did.
One reason I like Reddit is that it offers an independent power structure
to the cliques that can emerge through official channels. If an alternative
* Dave Cheney:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Brad Fitzpatrick:
>>
>>> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
>>> dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
>>>
>>> That is so beyond unethical and immature,
A few things I think are worth considering:
a. If r/golang is deleted, what is going to stop someone else from creating
another go oriented subreddit? And if this happens, will people like bradfitz
having less control be a good thing?
Sure, a new subreddit might not grow as quickly without any
Or appoint new mods, keep ownership and just make sure the sidebar says "The
Unofficial Go Subreddit". Deleting / locking down /r/golang is a terrible idea.
Seriously disappointed in the Golang team for considering this a solution.
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I believe you can make a community private. The /r/golang name will be
preserved, but no-one can access.
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As far as language/programming/technology subs go the golang sub is about
the only one worth reading. The moderation team (I'm assuming) does a great
job of curating the content there. Reddit is a pretty good place for stuff
like this because it's accessible and has an easy way to consume content.
I am too using /r/golang as main source of go related news and information.
However, I would gladly switch to a new resource especially considering the
fact that most interesting information comes from mods.
On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 12:53:32 AM UTC+1, bradfitz wrote:
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> In light of the
> The question is what to do with /r/golang when all moderators of it want to
> leave.
/r/golang was founded by a non Googler, non Go team member. The subreddit was
fine before you guys took over. It'll be fine if you leave. There is a pretty
clear precedent set by the Go project for community
On /r/fantasy and /r/books I've gotten the chance to interact with some of my
favorite authors...not just on special occasions but because they're core
members of the community.
On /r/woodworking people were endlessly helpful when I tried to pick up
woodworking as a hobby.
When school starts red
Shutting down the subreddit is an extremely petty action. I'm genuinely
surprised that a representative of Google and Golang would even get
involved in such a heated way, in particular since Google is going through
a fairly pivotal moment in terms of company focus.
I run and am currently migrat
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Brad Fitzpatrick:
>
> > In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
> > dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
> >
> > That is so beyond unethical and immature,
>
> Was it immatur
To be clear, this is just my opinion. Nothing is happening immediately
here. I want to talk with all the existing moderators first.
I also want to understand whether the Go project considers /r/golang an
official space. The fact that the sidebar says "If you encounter an issue,
please mail cond...
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Brad Fitzpatrick:
>
>> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
>> dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
>>
>> That is so beyond unethical and immature,
>
> Was it immature bec
* Brad Fitzpatrick:
> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
> dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
>
> That is so beyond unethical and immature,
Was it immature because they didn't make any money out of it, at least
not directly?
As one of the 25,000 who is also appalled by the CEO's behavior I full
support the decision of the official forum moderators to want to leave
Reddit.
I suggest making it private and moderated and effectively closing it. If
something else springs up, all well and good.
-- Charlea
On Fri., 25 Nov.
Another vote for temperance. If this is really unrelated to the CEO fiasco but
instead about what to do when the mods want to leave, as others have mentioned
the obvious choice seems to be "find a trustworthy, interested successor". I
don't see any reason to go nuclear, especially when this foru
Yes, the CEO did a really shitty thing. If we burned down the website of
every company where someone in power did something shitty, we'd have no
websites left.
If you don't want to moderate, step down. Let the current moderators
choose replacements. If you want to maintain the ability to s
This would be an incredibly immature and materially harmful thing to do to
the Go community.
If you want to wash your hands of the group, do so, but don't burn down the
house the rest of us are living in.
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Brad, are there issues beyond the CEO of Reddit betraying trust that are
driving the official mods away?
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> Or we find an open source Reddit clone
I admit my Reddit knowledge is a bit out of date, but I thought/think Reddit IS
open source?
https://github.com/reddit/reddit
(I'm 100% in support of not having a subreddit)
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Matt Joiner wrote:
> I don't believe technical forum moderators should be abusing their
> position to project their ethical standpoints onto users. If users don't
> like Reddit, they can just not participate. If the moderators don't like
> it, step down.
>
The qu
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Nathaniel Nutter wrote:
> Are all 25,171 subscribers scum and villainy? As a someone that reads
> /r/golang I've somehow managed not to come to the same conclusion.
>
I never said that.
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Reddit, they can just not participate. If the moderators don't like it,
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Are all 25,171 subscribers scum and villainy? As a someone that reads
/r/golang I've somehow managed not to come to the same conclusion.
On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 5:56:47 PM UTC-6, Brian Ketelsen wrote:
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> Kill it.
> It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy. The Go subreddit was the o
Hey all, I can certainly understand your concerns regarding reddit, but I
do think that the idea of "deleting /r/golang" is a bit of a knee-jerk
reaction.
I can't say I am thrilled about the situation, but myself and many others
have been using /r/golang as our primary Go news source for years
I'm happy to "donate" a subdomain of gopheracademy.com to the cause if existing
sites aren't viable. Especially with the end of year blog blitz coming, it's a
very high traffic site.
On 11/24/2016 8:04:20 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Brian Ketelsen mailto:bketel...@
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Brian Ketelsen wrote:
>
> https://golangnews.com/
>
> who runs this?
https://github.com/kennygrant seemingly?
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who runs this?
On 11/24/2016 6:54:25 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick wrote:
[+bketelson, dgryski]
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick mailto:bradf...@golang.org]> wrote:
In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see dozen
news stories today),
I believe you can mark the subreddit as private. That'll keep the name
parked, but only allow access to moderator-approved users.
- Dave
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick
wrote:
> Agreed. Maybe we can just make an auto-reject moderator bot for it, making
> sure it has no content
Delete it.
On Friday, 25 November 2016 10:53:32 UTC+11, bradfitz wrote:
>
> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
> dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
>
> That is so beyond unethical and immature, I no longer want anything to do
Agreed. Maybe we can just make an auto-reject moderator bot for it, making
sure it has no content.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Adam Langley wrote:
> (If we just delete it, that may free the name to be squatted on by others.
> I've no knowledge of how Reddit works but setting a moderation
(If we just delete it, that may free the name to be squatted on by others.
I've no knowledge of how Reddit works but setting a moderation bit or the
like might be more effective in shutting it down.)
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Kill it.
It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy. The Go subreddit was the only thing
similar to human and it is downright painful most of the time.
On 11/24/2016 6:54:25 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick wrote:
[+bketelson, dgryski]
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick mailto:bradf...@golan
[+bketelson, dgryski]
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick
wrote:
> In light of the CEO of Reddit admitting to editing user comments (see
> dozen news stories today), I propose we delete the /r/golang subreddit.
>
> That is so beyond unethical and immature, I no longer want anythin
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