Hi
I wonder if the expected number of pprof 'total samples' could be
calculated by:
duration * sample_rate (100HZ) * CPU usage (by 'top')
say if my program's CPU usage reported by 'top' is 200%, and sampling
period is 30 seconds, could I expect the total samples of pprof is
app
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:05 PM Øyvind Teig wrote:
>
> The example here is a server with N clients where it is essential that none
> of clients will starve and none jam the server. I have needed to do this
> coding several times. Go has random select which in theory may mean starving
> and jam
Hi Marco, https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/go/+/312431 just landed and
should resolve the issue for Go 1.17.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 3:28 PM Michael Knyszek wrote:
> Oh, actually, you can compute Mallocs and Frees from allocs-by-size and
> frees-by-size (summing the total # of samples). You
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021, 20:05 Øyvind Teig, wrote:
> torsdag 29. april 2021 kl. 20:22:32 UTC+2 skrev rog:
>
>> I agree with Axel's take here. It seems, Øyvind, that you are concerned
>> more with principle than practice here. Can you give an example of a real
>> world case where you think that this m
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:47 PM Øyvind Teig
wrote:
>
>1. I'm sorry I didn't follow up on your answer where you had got to
>the length of spelling out some code right before my eyes. I got lost in
>the other points (I actually started a response..)
>2. I trust you
>3. But to d
1. I'm sorry I didn't follow up on your answer where you had got to the
length of spelling out some code right before my eyes. I got lost in the
other points (I actually started a response..)
2. I trust you
3. But to do more than trusting, understanding would be much better. I
I already gave you the solution to this. Trust me it works. I did HFT for 7+
years - the algo is well known.
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Øyvind Teig wrote:
>
>
>> torsdag 29. april 2021 kl. 20:22:32 UTC+2 skrev rog:
>
>> I agree with Axel's take here. It seems, Øyvind, that you are conce
torsdag 29. april 2021 kl. 20:22:32 UTC+2 skrev rog:
> I agree with Axel's take here. It seems, Øyvind, that you are concerned
> more with principle than practice here. Can you give an example of a real
> world case where you think that this might actually matter?
>
Thanks, yes. I have written
I agree with Axel's take here. It seems, Øyvind, that you are concerned
more with principle than practice here. Can you give an example of a real
world case where you think that this might actually matter?
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021, 15:44 'Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts, <
golang-nuts@googlegroups.com> wr
FWIW, maybe this helps:
Assume a read happened from lowPriority, even though highPriority was ready
to read as well. That's, AIUI, the outcome you are concerned about.
In that situation, how would you know that highPriority was ready to read
as well?
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 4:39 PM Axel Wagner
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:54 PM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> They could still both have become ready (not in the same "cycle") between
> the two selects. Even if that probability is low, it would need knowledge
> like yours to show that this may in fact be zero. There could be a
> descheduling in between
To clarify, you might never process a low item if a high is always available -
but I believe that is what the OP is requesting.
It is also fairly trivial to add fairness to this ti always process a low if
available every N cycles.
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 9:31 AM, robert engels wrote:
>
> It is
It is not.
Because the low items will be read if there are no highs available. If the low
isn’t read, the producer on the low will block.
Or you run out of memory if you cannot process the events fast enough - which
is also easily handled by bounding the queue - but then you may need to drop
i
It needs one other fix, and that is to have a check of the queue and poll high,
in case the queue has elements when the method is entered.
But if you implement the queue using a buffered channel it is trivial to change
the step #1 to handle this (the low and queue channels are mimic the high and
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021, at 3:09 PM, robert engels wrote:
> I will give you the pseudo code:
>
> { // step #1 do select on both
>select high
>select low
> }
>
> if high read:
>return high
> else:
>// we read a low so do a high poll
>{
>select high:
>default:
>}
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:54 PM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> Even if that probability is low, it would need knowledge like yours to show
> that this may in fact be zero. There could be a descheduling in between, one
> of those in my opinion, not relevant arguments.
The upper limit of 4c happening is 1
I will give you the pseudo code:
{ // step #1 do select on both
select high
select low
}
if high read:
return high
else:
// we read a low so do a high poll
{
select high:
default:
}
if high read:
enqueue low and return high
else:
if queue empty:
They could still both have become ready (not in the same "cycle") between
the two selects. Even if that probability is low, it would need knowledge
like yours to show that this may in fact be zero. There could be a
descheduling in between, one of those in my opinion, not relevant arguments.
tor
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:23 PM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> 4c is not "correct" as I want it. In the pri select case, if more than one is
> ready, then they shall not be randomly chosen. Never. They should be selected
> according to priority.
That's not what 4c says. Instead of "more than one ready"
axel, it's difficult to try to explain in words how a select behaves. On
that we can agree. For me, select cases can be channels, timeouts, external
events etc. If a task is in a select (none triggered yet) and there is an
interrupt that detects the select entry, it's ticked as triggered, the
s
I sent that to the wrong entry! Is it possible that you could make a code
example?
torsdag 29. april 2021 kl. 15:20:40 UTC+2 skrev ren...@ix.netcom.com:
> It is trivial to do a priority select. Check the high priority channel
> again after getting a low priority value. If the high priority is a
My argument is that you can't distinguish the case "neither was ready and
highPriority and lowPriority became ready simultaneously and lowPriority
was selected" from "highPriority became ready after lowPriority" (as long
as there is the same code in both highPriority cases). Because there is no
"si
Partial responses inline, HTH.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 6:09 AM Amit Saha wrote:
> Hi all, when an incoming request comes in, does the ListenAndServe()
> function read the first line (as explained in
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Messages) to figure
> out whether there is a ha
Jan, I agree on your list, it's better set up than mine.
But you can add a point after (4.) though, call it (second.pre), dealing
with what might have happened after the first select decided that none were
taken until it evaluates the precondition to the second select.
4c is not "correct" as
It is trivial to do a priority select. Check the high priority channel again
after getting a low priority value. If the high priority is available enqueue
the low value and handle the high.
It is also trivial to “delay” the handling to allow more time for high events
to arrive if dealing with
I agree with you.
However, with the first select in the example we have a "first" and with
the second we have an "after" which might be considered race condition(s9
for the purpose of seeing the example of what I was after.
Also, scheduling arguments cannot be used here: like "we know that ther
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:26 PM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> Your suggestion would in fact do pri select in the special case 1. below:
>
> Poll highPri first (take it if it's ready), if highPri not ready then take
> lowPri (provided highPri has not become ready since the first poll)
> However, if highPr
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:26 PM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> Interesting!
>
> Your suggestion would in fact do pri select in the special case 1. below:
>
>1. Poll highPri first (take it if it's ready), if highPri not ready
>then take lowPri (provided highPri has not become ready since the first
>
If not, pick randomly -> If so, pick randomly
torsdag 29. april 2021 kl. 14:26:15 UTC+2 skrev Øyvind Teig:
> Interesting!
>
> Your suggestion would in fact do pri select in the special case 1. below:
>
>1. Poll highPri first (take it if it's ready), if highPri not ready
>then take lowPr
Interesting!
Your suggestion would in fact do pri select in the special case 1. below:
1. Poll highPri first (take it if it's ready), if highPri not ready then
take lowPri (provided highPri has not become ready since the first poll)
2. However, if highPri has become ready between the f
The point is that if you are timing “so much” that a 1-2 % overhead (so you
must have tons of very small operations) matter to throughput - sampling will
still capture enough that a representative event will be recorded.
Still, optimizing time.Now() is always a good idea but I am guessing much o
Hi all, when an incoming request comes in, does the ListenAndServe()
function read the first line (as explained in
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Messages) to figure
out whether there is a handler registered or not for the path and then
simply hands it over to the handler (if the
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:24 AM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> This is not solved with a default clause, which transforms the selective
> choice waiting for some event to happen into busy polling. It's nice yo have
> some times, but that is something orthogonal to pri/ordered.
Not sure if I would call
Thanks! A construct like "pri select" or "alt select" or "ordered select",
so it's not a "wrt", it's a *tagging* of select changing ets sematics from
being nondeterminstic to deterministic.
CSP has both: external choice (nondeterminsitic), internal choice
(deterministic).
The occam programmin
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:52 AM Øyvind Teig wrote:
> I know from some years ago that go did not have any priority or ordered
> select construct [1].
Not sure what does "ordered" wrt select mean, but the default clause
of the select statement provides exactly that - a priority mechanism:
first
I know from some years ago that go did not have any priority or ordered
select construct [1].
The idea is that select always is a nondeterministic choice operator, if
this is still so. Implemented with a random, I assume.
Programming user defined "fair" algorithms or patterns is then not
possi
Sure. In the OP's given path "github.com/username/sherlock-server", if it
provides either "package sherlock" or "package server" it's not too bad.
Thanks for pointing me to goimports. That does indeed rewrite the example
as
import (
"fmt"
foo "example.com/my/module/with-a-very-weird-name"
)
Note that goimports theses days adds the package name explicitly to the
import if the package name is not identical to the last component of the
import path. So on the readability front, the cost seem pretty low to me.
It does have a cost on the writing side, as goimports might not find the
packag
P.S. I don't really recommend this, since you can't tell by inspection of
main.go which import provides "foo.Greeting". And I'm struggling to think
of any real-world examples where I've seen this used.
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> Guess by "even if it wasn't" you mean "even if it wasn't top level and
was exporting functionality"
I think he means in general, you can do this:
// go.mod says "module github.com/my/module/with-a-very-weird-name"
package foo
...
and when you import it, you still get a package "foo". That's
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