Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-10 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/10/2013 8:15 PM, reynt0 wrote: > As pointed out at the start of a gestural interface programming book > I have, Apple iOS made it possible to use a fancy computer by using > no more than the skills of a chimpanzee. Interesting you should say that. Apple's Certificate Manager application (on

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-10 Thread reynt0
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Robert J. Hansen wrote: . . . That's why I'm so skeptical of all claims that if we just fix the UI we'll solve the adoption problem. The problem isn't UI. . . . As pointed out at the start of a gestural interface programming book I have, Apple iOS made it possible to use

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-10 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 11:52:32PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > On 6/9/2013 11:14 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: [snip] > > The reason that most people do not use crypto is the most trivial > > one: They don't think they need it. > > This is not supported by the studies. Many people who do not use c

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-09 Thread Henry Hertz Hobbit
On 06/10/2013 03:14 AM, Hauke Laging wrote: What a mouthful. I shortened it to those things most relevant to me. My keys are NOT part of the WoT due mostly to nobody around my home having OpenPGP keys. I would say that I have a higher option that you do of the Wot when contrasted with one SSL

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/9/2013 11:14 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: > The reason hardly anybody uses crypto is not that its usage was > complicated (I know, I a minute Rob will post his usability study > link and ask for my sources...). Yes, I will repeat my mantra: unless you're looking at peer-reviewed usability studies

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-09 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Sa 08.06.2013, 16:16:18 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > People simply won't use tools that they aren't comfortable with. This is much more about understanding the connections and seeing what's necessary to achieve a certain goal. And understanding which is the right goal in every single case.

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-08 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/08/2013 01:03 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > fwiw, some people might not be comfortable certifying a User ID > ("signing a key") with such a comment, since it is not actually a > part of the user's identity. How is an OpenPGP certifier supposed > to validate the correctness of this commen

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-08 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 06/08/2013 03:21 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: > Crypto is NOT about comfort but about security. The point is: Does a > certification make sense? Most certifications I see do not. People simply won't use tools that they aren't comfortable with. This is a delicate tradeoff, but if you're willing to

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-08 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Sa 08.06.2013, 13:03:06 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > fwiw, some people might not be comfortable certifying a User ID > ("signing a key") with such a comment, Crypto is NOT about comfort but about security. The point is: Does a certification make sense? Most certifications I see do not. The

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-08 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 06/07/2013 06:54 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: > In addition to what Doug has said: I recommend to have one UID without email > address. Just your name and a comment (like "everyday key on smartcard with > offline main key; see policy URL". fwiw, some people might not be comfortable certifying a U

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-08 Thread Branko Majic
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 13:22:04 -0700 Doug Barton wrote: > I'm not sure where you're getting this "15 years" number. Up until now I've usually went with short-lived (1-2 years) keys. After each period I'd simply replace them with completely new ones. Since this can be a bit cumbersome, I wanted to

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-08 Thread Branko Majic
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:54:40 +0200 Hauke Laging wrote: > > With my OpenPGP smart-card set-up almost done (master key on one card, > > With backup? If not: Are you sure this card is going to survive for 15 years? Of course. I've actually initialised everything in the offline mode, including b

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-07 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/07/2013 03:49 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: | Am Fr 07.06.2013, 13:22:04 schrieb Doug Barton: | |> Personally I have used this strategy and it |> has worked well for me. | |> OTOH, others on this list, and many keys that I have signed over the |> ye

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-07 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Fr 07.06.2013, 22:09:01 schrieb Branko Majic: > With my OpenPGP smart-card set-up almost done (master key on one card, With backup? If not: Are you sure this card is going to survive for 15 years? > What are the general recommendations on what to use the user ID for > (i.e. which e-mail addr

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-07 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Fr 07.06.2013, 13:22:04 schrieb Doug Barton: > Personally I have used this strategy and it > has worked well for me. > OTOH, others on this list, and many keys that I have signed over the > years, have combined various roles (i.e., personal and work e-mail > addresses) on the same key, so that

Re: Recommendations for handling (multiple) user IDs - personal and company ones

2013-06-07 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I'm not sure where you're getting this "15 years" number. In any case, the conventional wisdom is that for completely distinct roles (such as personal vs. work) that separate keys is the way to go. That way when you no longer have the work role the