Hi,
note that a search for "Android" in wiki.gnupg.org would have shown you the
Guardian port of GnuPG 2.1 to Android. (I've added additional details now.)
Am Mittwoch 11 Oktober 2017 16:40:42 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor:
> here's the project i was thinking of that was farthest along in terms of
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On Friday 13 October 2017 at 2:27:34 PM, in
, Mario Castelán
Castro wrote:-
> On 12/10/17 17:58, MFPA wrote:
>>> Would it be
>>> correct to refer to
>>> a car as an “engine”, because it includes an engine?
>> It is usual in and around London to
> Yes, but surely, given the question you must have seen this one
> coming :-D
I consider the current amusement I'm receiving small payment for my
having to read every last %$^$#@! message in the bikeshedding.
But, as it's been requested to take it off-list -- and it *is* pretty
off-topic -- I th
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On 17-10-11 12:55 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> Amazing how much people want to comment on the color of this
>> particular bikeshed!
>
> I agree. Bikeshedding frustrates me: I'll leave it at that.
>
Yes, but surely, given the question you mus
On 12/10/17 17:58, MFPA wrote:
>> Would it be
>> correct to refer to
>> a car as an “engine”, because it includes an engine?
>
> It is usual in and around London to call a car a "motor".
Alright.
> Calling it an "engine" seems no more or no less correct.
But one can not conclude that it is corr
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On Tuesday 10 October 2017 at 8:30:40 PM, in
, Mario Castelán
Castro wrote:-
> Would it be
> correct to refer to
> a car as an “engine”, because it includes an engine?
It is usual in and around London to call a car a "motor".
Calling it an "eng
At Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:47:29 +0200,
Werner Koch wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:15, n...@walfield.org said:
>
> > I'm aware of an effort that tried to port GnuPG to Android. bionic
> > was a source of several problems. As far as I know, the work is
>
> Actually we solved the Bionic problems a l
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:15, n...@walfield.org said:
> I'm aware of an effort that tried to port GnuPG to Android. bionic
> was a source of several problems. As far as I know, the work is
Actually we solved the Bionic problems a long time ago. The major
problem was actually custom pinentry for a
On Wed 2017-10-11 09:15:41 +0200, Neal H. Walfield wrote:
> At Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:26:21 +0200,
> Werner Koch wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:55, b...@adversary.org said:
>>
>> > Has anyone managed to get any part of the GPG libs to compile on
>> > Android/Linux? As far as I'm aware no one has a
At Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:26:21 +0200,
Werner Koch wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:55, b...@adversary.org said:
>
> > Has anyone managed to get any part of the GPG libs to compile on
> > Android/Linux? As far as I'm aware no one has and all OpenPGP
>
> There might be a problems with the current rel
At Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:55:32 -0400,
Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>
> > Amazing how much people want to comment on the color of this
> > particular bikeshed!
>
> I agree. Bikeshedding frustrates me: I'll leave it at that.
>
> Reviewing the last forty-odd emails on the subject, there are a small
> nu
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:55, b...@adversary.org said:
> Has anyone managed to get any part of the GPG libs to compile on
> Android/Linux? As far as I'm aware no one has and all OpenPGP
There might be a problems with the current release but GnuPG is expected
to build for Android just fine. And on
> Amazing how much people want to comment on the color of this
> particular bikeshed!
I agree. Bikeshedding frustrates me: I'll leave it at that.
Reviewing the last forty-odd emails on the subject, there are a small
number of regular contributors to the community who are in favor, a
small numbe
On 10/10/17 11:02, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Please note, it's "GnuPG". That's the project name. If you wish to
> acknowledge that it's a GNU project then it's GNU GnuPG. :-)
Well, then blame this project for being undecided about what its own
name is. They use both “GNU Privacy Guard” (which I a
On 10/10/17 11:05, Leo Gaspard wrote:
>> Recall that the most important contribution of the GNU project is not
>> the software packages, but starting the free software movement and
>> developing the most important licenses. GNU/Linux distributions are only
>> possible because of free software ideol
On 10/10/17 11:04, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> You snipped the bit where I said "Linux" has two meanings in the English
> language depending on context. Given your admirable, though misplaced,
> zeal, I doubt there's a considered argument to be had here.
In the previous message you said “"Linux" can
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 02:06:17AM +, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
Oh ... say hi to RMS from us. ;)
> I'm not inclined to make this change. However, in order to make
> sure that the FAQ reflects th
On 10/10/2017 08:23 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Tue 2017-10-10 19:46:28 +0200, Leo Gaspard wrote:
>> That said, I wonder whether the sentence with “all GNU/Linux distros
>> feature a suitable GnuPG tool” would make sense at all, given GnuPG is,
>> as pointed out by Mike, part of the GNU ope
On Tue 2017-10-10 19:46:28 +0200, Leo Gaspard wrote:
> That said, I wonder whether the sentence with “all GNU/Linux distros
> feature a suitable GnuPG tool” would make sense at all, given GnuPG is,
> as pointed out by Mike, part of the GNU operating system, which would,
> if I understand correctly,
On 10 October 2017 at 20:46, Leo Gaspard wrote:
> On 10/10/2017 06:45 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:> (where is the FAQ
> maintained, btw? how is one expected to submit
>> patches?)
>
> I based my quotes on https://dev.gnupg.org/source/gnupg-doc.git ,
> directory web/faq, running `git grep Linux`
On 10/10/17 01:46, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> With respect to specific distros, we ought use the name the distro
> prefers. The Fedora Project releases Fedora, not Fedora GNU/Linux. The
> Debian guys release Debian GNU/Linux, not Debian Linux. The people who
> set up these distros have given thei
On 10/10/17 01:46, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> With respect to specific distros, we ought use the name the distro
> prefers. The Fedora Project releases Fedora, not Fedora GNU/Linux. The
> Debian guys release Debian GNU/Linux, not Debian Linux. The people who
> set up these distros have given thei
On 10/10/17 07:13, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Do not change to using GNU/Linux. It's a purely political term; there
> is no case for technical accuracy. Alongside GNU programs I have Clang,
> musl C library, X Windows, KDE, Firefox, LibreOffice and many other
> non-GNU project, non-GNU licensed, pa
On 10/10/17 04:45, Peter Lebbing wrote:
> That to me means I would support leaving it as is. I don't feel strongly
> on writing it one way or another, but I do dislike the pressure some
> people exert on others pushing their view. If however you are
> consistently writing "Microsoft Windows®" every
On 10/10/2017 06:45 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:> (where is the FAQ
maintained, btw? how is one expected to submit
> patches?)
I based my quotes on https://dev.gnupg.org/source/gnupg-doc.git ,
directory web/faq, running `git grep Linux`.
> I suspect that many minimal Linux-based operating syst
On Tue 2017-10-10 18:05:15 +0200, Leo Gaspard wrote:
> So we should call FreeBSD “GNU/FreeBSD” instead? Sorry, I could not resist.
Debian actually does ship a "port" that uses the FreeBSD kernel and the
GNU userland, and it calls it GNU/kFreeBSD.
https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
This
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 17:56:05 +0100, Andrew Gallagher wrote:
> On 10/10/17 17:33, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> Not promoting its own ideals is working contrary to its goals.
>
> There is nothing in the GPL that requires one to be an evangelist. If
> the FAQ is incorrect or misleading, let's change it.
On 10/10/17 17:33, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> Not promoting its own ideals is working contrary to its goals.
There is nothing in the GPL that requires one to be an evangelist. If
the FAQ is incorrect or misleading, let's change it. But "insufficient
fervour" is not sufficient grounds.
--
Andrew Galla
Thanks for going through the specific instances of Linux in the FAQ,
Leo. This is what i was asking for when i was wondering whether a
concrete diff has been proposed.
(where is the FAQ maintained, btw? how is one expected to submit
patches?)
I agree with all of Leo's conclusions except for the
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:37:15 -0300, Duane Whitty wrote:
> On 17-10-10 10:13 AM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> GnuPG is part of the GNU operating system. Anywhere "Linux" is
>> used to describe the GNU/Linux operating system, "GNU/Linux" should
>> be used.
>>
>> Please see:
>>
>> https://www.gnu.org/p
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 18:03:52 +0200, Leo Gaspard wrote:
> On 10/10/2017 03:13 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 22:06:17 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>>> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
>>> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>>
>> GnuPG is part of
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On 17-10-09 11:06 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ
> be replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
> I'm not inclined to make this change. However, in order to make
> sure that the FAQ reflects the
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On 17-10-09 11:06 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ
> be replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
> I'm not inclined to make this change. However, in order to make
> sure that the FAQ reflects the
Hi Mario,
> Your argument is self-defeating. There is no reason to single Linux.
> It is just another of thousands of programs without which a computer
> would be useless exactly as the others you mentioned.
You snipped the bit where I said "Linux" has two meanings in the English
language dependi
On 10/10/2017 03:13 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 22:06:17 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
>> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
> GnuPG is part of the GNU operating system. Anywhere "Linux" is used to
> describe
On 10/10/2017 05:55 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
> On 10/10/17 01:46, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> With respect to specific distros, we ought use the name the distro
>> prefers. The Fedora Project releases Fedora, not Fedora GNU/Linux. The
>> Debian guys release Debian GNU/Linux, not Debian Lin
Hi Mario,
> the argument that GNU PG can be used on Linux
Please note, it's "GnuPG". That's the project name. If you wish to
acknowledge that it's a GNU project then it's GNU GnuPG. :-)
--
Cheers, Ralph.
https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy
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On 17-10-10 10:13 AM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 22:06:17 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ
>> be replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
> GnuPG is part of the GNU operating
On 10/10/17 13:13, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
>
> Those preferring GNU/Linux are more likely to reply.
This is a universal problem that is not understood well enough. If you
want to know what people actually think, you have to a) actively survey
them, and b) control for biases in the responses. This i
+1
The are very few references of "Linux" in the FAQ btw.
On Tue 10 Oct 2017, 16:42 Mike Gerwitz, wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 22:06:17 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> > A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> > replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
> GnuPG is part of t
On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 22:06:17 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
GnuPG is part of the GNU operating system. Anywhere "Linux" is used to
describe the GNU/Linux operating system, "GNU/Linux" should be
Hi Robert,
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
I thought this zealotry had fizzled out about 2013. :-)
> However, in order to make sure that the FAQ reflects the community's
> wishes, I'm submitting the proposal here for community f
On 10/09/2017 11:20 PM, Francesco Ariis wrote:
> Hello Robert,
>
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 10:06:17PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
>> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
> A request has been made by whom?
>
>> I'm not inclined to make
On 10 October 2017 at 08:46, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> ...
> In the FAQ, wherever "Linux" is used as a generic descriptor it is in a
> context where the presence of GNU utilities is irrelevant. Example:
> "there is no single, consistent way to install GnuPG on Linux systems."
> The truth/validity
On 10/10/2017 01:46 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> However, if the GnuPG FAQ is talking about an operating system built
>> from the Linux kernel and the GNU userland (coreutils, libc, etc), then
>> "GNU/Linux" is not only the respectful term to use, it's the more
>> accurate and precise term.
>
>
On 10/10/17 04:06, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> I'm not inclined to make this change.
That to me means I would support leaving it as is. I don't feel strongly
on writing it one way or another, but I do dislike the pressure some
people exert on others pushing their view. If however you are
consistentl
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 04:06, r...@sixdemonbag.org said:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
Some distros call themselves "Foo GNU/Linux" and if the part of the FAQ
is about this specific distro, you should call it this way. However in
m
> However, if the GnuPG FAQ is talking about an operating system built
> from the Linux kernel and the GNU userland (coreutils, libc, etc), then
> "GNU/Linux" is not only the respectful term to use, it's the more
> accurate and precise term.
I disagree. It's a more political term.
With respect t
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Francesco Ariis wrote:
> Hello Robert,
>
> On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 10:06:17PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
>> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
GNU/Linux assumes a GNU userland. There exists some
On Mon 2017-10-09 22:06:17 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
>
> I'm not inclined to make this change. However, in order to make sure
> that the FAQ reflects the community's wishes, I'm submitting the
>
On 2017-10-09 21:06, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
replaced with "GNU/Linux".
I think it's redundant, besides, what if I were to replace all of the
userland utilities with my own, or some other non-gnu userland? It would
still be L
Hello Robert,
On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 10:06:17PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> A request has been made that each instance of "Linux" in the FAQ be
> replaced with "GNU/Linux".
A request has been made by whom?
> I'm not inclined to make this change. However, in order to make sure
> that the F
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