On 10/5/2019 at 12:58 PM, "Werner Koch via Gnupg-users"
wrote:
>I agree with you and, although I sometimes hack on GPA, I would
>suggest
>Kleopatra. On Windows Kleopatra and the Explorer plugin do
>actually do
>what you suggest and we LOTS of folks using Gpg4win. Be it for
>plain
>file encr
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On 10/5/19 7:19 AM, Werner Koch via Gnupg-users wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 12:15, Stefan Claas said:
>
>> installing MUAs and plug-ins, besides of GnuPG) point them to the FAQ as
>> learning resource and then show them as modern alternative Mailve
On 10/5/2019 6:54 PM, Werner Koch via Gnupg-users wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:58, Roland Siemons said:
>
>> 4/ Here is my proposal:
>> 4.1/ Stimulate that people use a GUI like GPA or Kleopatra. Not Enigmail,
>
> Enigmail folks won't like that suggestion. Users need to install a
> second tool
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:58, Roland Siemons said:
> 4/ Here is my proposal:
> 4.1/ Stimulate that people use a GUI like GPA or Kleopatra. Not Enigmail,
Enigmail folks won't like that suggestion. Users need to install a
second tool which behaves different (because Enigmail implements parts
of GnuPG
> Well, I only remember learning about PGP back then in Usenet and everybody
> used it for email communications or with Cypherpunk Remailers and seldom for
> file encryption.
No, they were using it for file encryption. They were using email as a
file transport protocol. That's what inline PGP is
Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> > Not to rain your parade, but I follow the topic encryption since the mid
> > '80s and can say nowadays that GnuPG has failed to become an email
> > encryption product for the masses, which IIRC was the initial goal of Mr
> > Zimmermann's PGP back in the early ninetees.
> Not to rain your parade, but I follow the topic encryption since the mid '80s
> and can say nowadays that GnuPG has failed to become an email encryption
> product for the masses, which IIRC was the initial goal of Mr Zimmermann's PGP
> back in the early ninetees.
It was not to be an email encryp
> Our views on what can be considered a successful adoption are strongly
> misaligned.
OpenPGP was never meant to be about email. It was never meant to be
about instant messaging. It was never meant to be about any of that.
It was meant to be a toolbox people could use to help solve a wide
varie
> Everybody speaks https or smtps and probably S/MIME but what about
> OpenPGP?
S/MIME adoption has far exceeded OpenPGP's in the world of email for a
simple reason:
You can make a whole ton of money as an S/MIME CA.
OpenPGP was designed such as to, as far as possible, cut centralized
trusted in
Jeff Allen via Gnupg-users wrote:
> I agree that there are easier-to-learn encryption solutions than GnuPG.
> Mailvelope, FlowCrypt, ProtonMail, Mailfence and Tutanota come
> immediately to mind. Any is adequate for the privacy needs of the
> masses. Unfortunately, the masses haven't swarmed to
Werner Koch wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 12:15, Stefan Claas said:
>
> > installing MUAs and plug-ins, besides of GnuPG) point them to the FAQ as
> > learning resource and then show them as modern alternative Mailvelope
>
> And don't forget to point them to all the HOWTOS and RFCs required to to
On 10/5/19 6:15 AM, Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users wrote:
> Tony Lane via Gnupg-users wrote:
>
>> But go ahead, please rationalize why "ease-of-use" is more important than
>> actual security for power-users such as myself and those who absolutely won't
>> compromise on true E2EE.
>
> Not to rain yo
On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 12:15, Stefan Claas said:
> installing MUAs and plug-ins, besides of GnuPG) point them to the FAQ as
> learning resource and then show them as modern alternative Mailvelope
And don't forget to point them to all the HOWTOS and RFCs required to to
use and admin a MUA, sendmail,
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 21:28, Stefan Claas said:
> Well, I was wrong. It seems that the U.S. ESIGN Act is pretty relaxed
> and does not need such strong requirements like in the EU.
The EU neither. Even the Qualifizierte Elektronische Signatur,
introduced in Germany ages ago, is not anymore a requi
Dear List,
I explained a problem.
I proposed a step forward towards a solution.
There were 17 responses.
So far, those responses either:
- advised to no longer use GnuPG, or
- denied or downplayed the problem (although I demonstrated the
existence of the problem), or
- argued against those who
Tony Lane via Gnupg-users wrote:
> But go ahead, please rationalize why "ease-of-use" is more important than
> actual security for power-users such as myself and those who absolutely won't
> compromise on true E2EE.
Not to rain your parade, but I follow the topic encryption since the mid '80s
and
On 10/5/19 2:11 AM, Chris Narkiewicz via Gnupg-users wrote:
> 20? Wow. There are 8 billion people on this planet, most of them don't
> work at 20 companies from Fortune 500.
Most don't even work on software to begin with. What's your point?
> WhatsApp build crypto system that is successfully ado
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