Re: Prosecution based on memory forensics

2011-01-12 Thread David Shaw
On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > When you close a laptop, Windows (or Mac OS X, or Linux, or what-have-you) > takes a snapshot of memory contents and writes it to disk. This can be a > really big problem, since encryption keys, passphrases, and so forth are > written out

Prosecution based on memory forensics

2011-01-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
When you close a laptop, Windows (or Mac OS X, or Linux, or what-have-you) takes a snapshot of memory contents and writes it to disk. This can be a really big problem, since encryption keys, passphrases, and so forth are written out in the process. For instance, if you have gpg-agent set up to

Re: Organizing GPA public key list into favourites groups????

2011-01-12 Thread Bo Berglund
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:58:04 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: >On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:12:48 +0100, Bo Berglund > wrote: > >What I want to do is to encrypt a specific file before sending it as >an attachment in an email. I need to encrypt it several times a week >after it has been revised because it is a

Re: Organizing GPA public key list into favourites groups????

2011-01-12 Thread Bo Berglund
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:12:48 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: Seems like noone can answer this question Summary: If I add a group definition in the configuration file of GPG, either through the GPA "Edit/Backend preferences" or by directly editing the conf file, how can I then use that group name t

GnuPG in cybercafe

2011-01-12 Thread Angel Vicente
Hello all I'm very newbie at GPG, I'm a Debian user for some years ago, but I have nothing to see with GPG until now, I think I understand the main flow and uses of GPG, but I have a doubt: suppose a group of friends, they want sign and/or cypher their email and files, almost of them are Win

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 1/12/2011 11:24 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > "look -- here is Mr. X claiming that he is going to poison the > reservoir. Please take this seriously, and note that it could only have > come from Mr. X because it is signed with his key." Mr. X has a conspirator, Ms. Y. Mr. X deliberately a

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 1/12/2011 12:10 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: > Let's take this email as an example. I write it on my PC which may be > more secure than the average system but has all the weaknesses of a > system which does all the daily work. As I recall, Werner has a story about receiving PGP-signed spam. Apparent

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread David Shaw
On Jan 12, 2011, at 2:12 PM, MFPA wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi > > > On Wednesday 12 January 2011 at 4:13:44 PM, in > , Robert J. > Hansen wrote: > > >> Show me the worth in a signed message that has any of >> (a) an incorrect signature, (b) from an invali

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Wednesday 12 January 2011 at 4:13:44 PM, in , Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Show me the worth in a signed message that has any of > (a) an incorrect signature, (b) from an invalid key, or > (c) from someone you believe is utterly untrustworthy.

RE: How to create non-standard key pair

2011-01-12 Thread jack seth
I am needing to do some testing with these size keys. Can someone advise me on how to modify the code to generate these keys? Thanks > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:13:46 -0500 > From: "Robert J. Hansen" > To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > Subject: Re: How to create non-standard key pair

AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 01/13/2011)

2011-01-12 Thread Richard Hamilton
I am out of the office until 01/13/2011. I am out of the office until Thursday January 13th, 2011. If this is a production problem, please call the solution center at 918-573-2336 or email Bob Olson at robert.ol...@williams.com. I will have limited mail and cell phone access. Note: This is an

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 01/12/2011 11:13 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Show me the worth in a signed message that has any of (a) an incorrect > signature, (b) from an invalid key, or (c) from someone you believe is > utterly untrustworthy. As a devil's advocate, i'd point out that a message signed with a valid key kno

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 01/12/2011 12:10 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: > I mean: It is POSSIBLE to steal my secret key but it is not EASY. For normal > email communication I regard this as enough. For signing treaties or other > keys I use other keys (and a different environment). yes, that's true; but here we've been tal

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Mittwoch 12 Januar 2011 17:44:48 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > On 01/12/2011 11:39 AM, Hauke Laging wrote: > > a) usual ("not thought about") email, just as a first hard line of > > defense against forgery > > What do you think you would gain from a signature made by an individual > if they di

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> a) usual ("not thought about") email, just as a first hard line of defense > against forgery Doesn't work. Here's the thought experiment I've been using for years. Imagine that I'm a teaching assistant and I manage to make some of my undergrads very unhappy. They bomb a test or something,

[Announce] New signing key

2011-01-12 Thread Werner Koch
Hi! The key used to sign GnuPG releases expired at the end of last year. I prolonged the lifetime of that key for another 6 months to avoid the frequently asked question if signatures made in the past by an expired key are now invalid (in short: they are not). I will sign future distributions wi

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 01/12/2011 11:39 AM, Hauke Laging wrote: > a) usual ("not thought about") email, just as a first hard line of defense > against forgery What do you think you would gain from a signature made by an individual if they did not think they were making it? How is this a "hard line of defense agains

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Werner Koch
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:25, mailinglis...@hauke-laging.de said: > Which is simultaneously a solution for the spam problem (and an improvement Signing mails is not a solution against spam. Spammers have more processing power available than any anti-spam measure. Signing would only help against s

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Mittwoch 12 Januar 2011 17:15:48 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > If enigmail were to default to signing everything, then it would sign > messages for people that they have not thought about. As a result, that > weakens the meaning of their signature, to the point where even if they > *have* tho

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread David Shaw
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> More often "I have no confidence they keep their secret keys strictly under >> their control" might be the relevant objection. > > In my case, it's "I think these individuals are mentally unstable and > violent," but yes. :) > >>> Speak

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 01/12/2011 10:57 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > Speaking for Enigmail, it's because 99% of the time signatures are worthless. > They contribute to the illusion of data integrity while actually providing no > guarantees. It's best if you only sign messages you deliberately intend to > sign, messa

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> More often "I have no confidence they keep their secret keys strictly under > their control" might be the relevant objection. In my case, it's "I think these individuals are mentally unstable and violent," but yes. :) >> Speaking for Enigmail, it's because 99% of the time signatures are >> w

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Mittwoch 12 Januar 2011 16:57:27 schrieb Robert J. Hansen: > Good signatures from validated keys belonging to untrustworthy people make > no guarantees. There are a couple of people in the world who, even though > I know their key fingerprints and have verified them face-to-face, I > wouldn

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Signing the message guarantees the sender. Only if certain conditions are met. The signature must (a) be correct (b) issued from a validated key (c) belonging to a trusted party. A bad signature makes no guarantees, not even a guarantee the message has been tampered with. (After all, the er

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread jimbob palmer
Hello, 2011/1/11 Martin Gollowitzer : > Hi, > > * jimbob palmer [110111 12:05]: >> In Firefox I can sign or encrypt or encrypt+sign an e-mail. >> >> In what case would I want my encrypted emails also signed? Does it >> provide any additional benefit over a pure encrypted email? > > A digital sign

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Mittwoch 12 Januar 2011 11:48:39 schrieb Werner Koch: > Note also, that signing an encrypted message creates a privacy problem > in that it is obvious who actually sent (or well signed) the message. Which is simultaneously a solution for the spam problem (and an improvement against attacks by

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Mittwoch 12 Januar 2011 06:52:59 schrieb David Shaw: > No. It was generally felt that this was more of an attack on the user of > crypto, rather than on the crypto itself. That may be a difference to crypto but I doubt that it is a difference to the user... Solutions are better than excuses

Re: Official gnupg signing key (0x1CE0C630) expired

2011-01-12 Thread Werner Koch
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 04:56, k...@grant-olson.net said: > I'm assuming this just needs the year end bump. Looks like it expired > 12-31-2010. Right, I should have prolonged it again. The original plan was to switch to an OpenPGP v2 card in time. I didn't achieved that because I missed to buy an n

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Werner Koch
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:01, nicholas.c...@gmail.com said: > in section 1.2 about not signing crypt texts? Am I right that openpgp > always encrypts signed text, rather than signing encrypted text, and No. It is common practice to sign and encrypt. For gpg it is not the default. Before the intr

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Paul Richard Ramer
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:01:17 +, Nicholas Cole wrote: > That thread is clearly right about the bulk of the paper, which is > clearly an attack on the user of the crypto. Signing ambiguous > messages is not a good idea! But what about the suggestion they made > in section 1.2 about not signing

Re: What is the benefit of signing an encrypted email

2011-01-12 Thread Nicholas Cole
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:52 AM, David Shaw wrote: > On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Nicholas Cole wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:19 PM,   wrote: >>> >>> If one is a purist, then one wants sign>encrypt>sign >>> >>> See http://world.std.com/~dtd/#sign_encrypt >> >> That is a really interesting