is a reasonable
> way to store large data sets. XML is a cool technology, but just
> because a technology is cool doesn't mean that it's the right tool for
> the job.
Of course you're welcome to, but why would you waste time on this
rather than trying to go forward
y input anyone has for me?
OK, without me actually testing anything, just poking around, how
about the "Debugger options" section of the guile info pages? Does
that help? I see there's a way to turn on backtracing on error. I
think we may turn that off in gnucash unless the --debug opt
interest, and I hope this is the kind of feedback
you were looking for.
I figure you might also want a little more info about how/where the DB
would probably tie in to the code, but I thought I'd let you digest
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re-inventing that wheel.
So, presuming we keep our current frame of mind, the XML format may
very well only be the actual file format, short term.
> In any case, what follows is my brief patch which I'd appreciate if
> it were put into the CVS. Thanks!
Thanks very much for the w
Available at ftp.gnucash.org/pub/g-wrap/source:
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* release new version 0.9.10.
* guile/guile-types.scm (const-string): fix bug in scm->C conversion.
2000-11-05 Rob Browning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> For the record, QIF importing no longer crashes, and I can
> successfully build the GnuCash CVS Mainline.
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> rgmerk and others, what think ye?
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and have it suck in the system and g-wrap libs you need automagically
at runtime, and a fancier type system so that we can handle fancier
types (like glib containers) with more transparency. The latter is
tougher, and I need to do some head-scratching before I can tell what
#x27;s going to be difficult to generate
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involve defining the SQL tables
we need. I don't see how that involves a "binary data format". I
must not understand what you mean.
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> Rob Browning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > The 50MB of RAM you're worried about is a *BUG*, and it needs to be
> > fixed. Other than that, and some performance work that seems fairly
>
> Is this a bug we
s I mentioned before, this might even mean getting rid of the
arbitrary hierarchical frames stuff.
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le as allowing the user to
use the DB they've already deployed, and as we move into the
small-business arena, allowing people to stick data in *their* DB will
probably become more critical. Though, even there, as long as we have
ways to interface with other DBs (i.e. batch push/pull) tha
; problem areas. Designing the database won't be hard (I've done many
> financial apps in my time!), and writing SQL will be pretty
> straightforward (the engine does all the work, really).
I agree.
> That's the idea, anyway. :-D
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DBMS server, sharing access with other users and
> all that.
Well it looks like David Merrill may be interested in starting work on
the SQL stuff. We'd love to have your help/input if you're
interested.
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ount set in various
meaningful (to them) ways.
We might also use the framework internally for some very specific,
rigid organizations, but thats a different point.
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> Hopefully I've given you enough pointers to get started.
Thanks very much. I glanced at the manpage briefly, and it's quite
interesting. I appreciate the pointer, and I'll definitely have to
spend a bit of time grokking it.
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Though quantity, taken by itself, is ambiguous, I'm not sure it's so
bad when within the context of a split. It would be hard to confuse
it with any of the other fields, and it's arguably better than
damount.
In any case, better names, w
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I had always thought it meant d(elta)amount.
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> have their own table, so there will be an 'explicit' list of them.
And I've even thought about adding such a list to gnucash from time to
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At least this is why we've done what we've done up to now.
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would cause Debian or other free
> software distributors to consider gnucash to be non-free in any
> way. We cannot and will not be cavalier about software licensing.
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t thinking too much about it) we
can use whatever encryption/authentication we want -- possibly even
just GPG encrypted chunks :>
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's copyright, etc.)
rules, we certainly can't expect them to enforce our licenses when the
shoe is on the other foot.
This is not a huge issue -- I don't think we have any problems that
won't be easy to solve to everyone's satisfaction, but it is important
to get t
cryptic passwords like
GPG/SSH etc.
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proxy that can handle the messy details of
storing arbitrary length strings (if that's even possible) in DBs that
don't handle them natively.
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- - - -> || (gnc_engine <-> ui)
(server) || <- - - - - -> || (gnc_engine <-> ui)
and we need to be thinking about what we *require* be done where.
I.e. does the DB just serve up raw records or do we require it to be
able to "do the math"
Dave Peticolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Rob Browning is going the price database, so he will be posting a
> requirements/design doc soon.
Getting started on this now, so it's time to talk :>
> It may be that gnucash doesn't need to use the price db to store
>
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it; I'm human. If it's not, then I think it
> should be.
Well, we're using the standard md5sum code, and AFAIK, that's on very
solid mathematical footing. I don't have references handy ATM,
though. (Anyone?)
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es anyone have any
objections to this? If not, then unless someone else wants to do it,
I'll start working on this, and fixing up the file read code to
properly convert old "zero-price" splits -> split quotes immediately.
Speak now...
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t be very efficient if stored in a
table with a bunch of other fixed length fields. In that situation,
perhaps we make a table of all the fixed length (the more
computational/indexable fields), and another table of blobs that are
indexed to the first table by GUID.
I think this is the kind of quest
rver-proxy and gnc-client
ourselves.
> That will be the nature of the first implementation. I always design
> way farther than I implement, so that when the later stuff gets
> implemented it has already been planned for. At some point probably
> weeks from now, I will put much more ser
one could, in confidence, pick one dbms and adopt it
> without reservation, the discipline of building an API to separate
> it from the rest of the application generally results in a cleaner,
> more maintainable system.
Agreed.
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even sure there
was any consensus that it was the right thing to do. Hoever, I
thought David might want to a least be aware of the discussion.
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r that?
In point of fact, I don't really care which way we go, and I think you
know me well enough to know that difficulty in implementation isn't
usually at the top of my criteria list. I'd just like to make sure we
pick the best answer given what we know and where we think we might
anges, but which ones? This is getting messy.
I defintely don't know enough right now to know what the "constants"
here are. Company name changes are obviously ephemeral, but, thinking
about it, it seems like ticker symbols, and perhaps even exchanges
could be too...
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ust require that the account
restore be nested inside a (or whatever) block that
handles ending the group's edits.
One thing that does still bother me a bit is that there's an assymetry
for groups now. We don't have an xaccGroupBeginEdit to balance the
commit edit. Perhaps we should
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nother mail, I kinda think we might be better
served moving to one global, flat account list and having various
hierarchical structures pointing into that for display/organization
purposes, but even if we decide to do taht, it's probably not going to
happen in the next month or so.
FWIW.
er than creating
categories in quicken. As long as you don't do something silly like
trying to open up one of these expense accounts, you can just go
along, blissfully pretending like they're just categories.
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place to add any code we need if we want to
make the encryption/authentication system more modular. Seems like a
more flexible approach in the long run, but of course it does have
it's own set of drawbacks.
FWIW.
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t-type set to "stock-split". This
won't be exposed, so we can change it later if we need to, but
this slot may also be used later to distingush other types of
split (i.e. we may need one for closing the books, etc.)
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o seems fairly crucial to being able to
customize systems to integrate with a given business' existing
infrastructure. If they have a weak DB on the server, but they want
us to link to it, we could build a special version of our server-side
proxy that presents their database in the way we exp
y
realized I *really* wanted :>
Sounds quite right to me.
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uppi
graph based on the data in the text embedded in our html widget
alongside the other html bits. Very clever.
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ith the last rewrite. There'd be a few more things to be
done, but as I think about it, maybe not that much.
> I'm hitting Rob on his weak spot. Just say 'this will benefit the scheme
> language' and he gets all excited .
Robert Graham Merkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Rob, I'd like so save the pane layout as part of the .xac file, rather
> than have it as a seperate file or as a part of the .gnucash-auto
> file.
>
> As it's file metadata, rather than something that fits with a
ully weak by comparison.
I had similar experiences with haskell, prolog, etc., but scheme is
the only one that had enough of a foot in the three worlds of power,
elegance, and practicality, to keep me committed to it for large
projects.
FWIW
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the output of
strace -f -o strace-dump.tmp guile
where you do the same thing at the prompt and then quit?
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helps. Then we'll have to decide if libgw-runtime.so.0 should be a
symlink or the actual binary. In this case, I doubt it matters.
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e g-wrap lib-dir to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Could that be the
problem? i.e.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/opt/g-wrap/lib gnucash ...
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OK, I've got a guile 1.3 g-wrap sandbox installed, and I can now
reproduce the problem. Stay tuned.
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> remainder of the list.
And anyone who's familiar with glib, LISP lists are somewhat similar
to GSLists. GLists are actually doubly linked...
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the book people usually refer to as SICP. It's the "Structure
and Interpretation of Computer Programs" by Abelson and Sussman.
Aside from being an excellent way to learn scheme, it will
probably broaden the way you think about computer p
If you need any help with scheme, feel free to ask.
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e what guile realized it needed to be
doing as of 1.3.4... so g-wrap 1.1.8 should fix your problem. It's
on the ftp site now. Lemme know.
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Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Rob Browning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Ok, I look forward to seeing what you have to say. This is when I
> > > really wish guile
ast have the functional problems fixed...
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This version should produce working rpms. The previous version had
problems with shared library symlinks.
Thanks to Derek for helping debug/fix the problem(s).
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ucash the same way, but I could
put some annotation about whether it was 2/1 or whatever in the memo
or notes field if I wanted/remembered.
> Can mutual funds split?
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so the configure process can pick up both
the right guile and the right guile-config.
Finally, if you've changed anything since you downloaded the source
(or if you've CVS updated lately), you should make sure and re-run
./autogen.sh YOUR-ARGS, but make sure and do it with
ay to find out
when things are going to happen is to probe every possible event time.
And since I had also imagined that we might want to be able to
schedule things to the hour or to the minute, this could quickly
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27;t recognize the valid types without extra help, then I
suppose we could just require that "save/restoreable" things be tagged
somehow. I can think of half-baked schemes which might allow this,
but it's not worth dwelling on until/unless we need it.
Hope this is rele
t time you'd updated was?
What version of g-wrap are you running, and when did you last change
it?
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l thing" IIRC.
there's a trademark on bookshelf. i wouldn't be surprised :)
dres: retch.
rlb: to wrap this up, maybe you could post an excerpt of this
discussion to the ML, for later reference, --- dres has changed the
topic to: Today's Gripe: People exchanging "Wh
/ctags issue, it should be possible to add
some tests to configure.in to actually determine which one to use
dynamically, or, as suggested, we could just allow a
--with-tags-prog=foo option.
In my experience, building the TAGS file doesn't appear to add
appreciable build time when compared to the ove
s, you'll then be
able to query the pricedb for the latest price for a given commodity
with:
price = gnc_pricedb_lookup_latest(db, commodity);
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se is near, the longer we can delay, the
better, because as time passes, the set of issues we'd need to address
constantly changes.
WRT RH 6.2, for now I think you can rest easy. AFAIK, Dave has made
it clear he plans for us to support 6.2, much to my guile
s some
documentation too, so I'd rather write something up and submit a patch
than describe it several times, but if you need info *now*, I'd be
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> Um, you can certainly perform MD5 in Java... Look at www.cryptix.org
And make sure your input is at least as random as gnucash's. There
should be as close to no chance that you'll accidentally generate
duplicate keys as possible
;...
I've sort of toyed with the idea of an emacs or terminal interface for
a while. Not necessarily anything full-blown, but "M-x
gnc-add-transaction" would be nice :>
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One solution would be for Gnome MDI to have an API that allows you to
tell it to give you the data it wants stored, and to ask you for that
data when it needs it (i.e. at file open time). That seems like a
much cleaner approach for situat
that an awful lot of the config data belongs in
the data store. Delete the "file" and the config data goes with it.
Also, if we do eventually have a multi-user, remote access,
user-travelling-from-machine-to-machine, setup, then storing most of
the config data in the data store prob
an instatiated report to the
> menus.
Well, if I were using rsync or vpn+NFS to allow me to work on the same
file from work and home, I'd probably want my changes to automatically
show up both places, wrt to reports *and* window config, and this is
one place, that unless we go to some lengt
a bad idea to make this change now, or is it
Linas> better to make the change now, and thus avoid heartache and
Linas> pain later?
1.6.1, (with an SQL conversion to change everyone's dates)?
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> something really stupid like name resolution.
There was apparently also some issue with guppi -- I think maybe it
was reading from /dev/random, and so it won't finish until the entropy
pool has been full enough to generate all the random numbers it
needs. If th
ahead and modularize the rest of the reports (for consistency), and
then any other files that need it. These fixes won't show up in
1.6.0, but look for a (hopefully) large --nofile startup speedup in
1.6.X.
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ading shared libraries: gnucash: undefined symbol: stat
and it all crashes away. For reproduction purposes, If you don't get
the welcome dialog box, you may need to move your .gnucash directory
out of the way. I had to do that one time.
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James> before now.
Not the whole list?!? :-)
bash-2.05$ ls -alrt gnucash.crash
-rw-r--r--1 rob rob743086 Jan 6 11:41 gnucash.crash
yeah, yeah, my clock is off, thank the win4lin 2.x beta.
well, I also just ran ldconfig as root
rogram.
oh, and I didn't need to go to some third party 'distro fixing
service' to get gnucash to work properly. :-) It 'comes with', as
they say.
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te types, with other-than-normal balances if one runs
a negative (opposite from normal) balance on it.
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that many
megs of libraries and whatnot.
cbbrowne> Not gonna happen tomorrow...
Totally agreed. You guys have more important things to do, I am sure.
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install ' which would work. I know it shouldn't
work that way, but that helped me.
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versions in the names, and then also
provide a symlink for dlopen/dynamic-link:
/usr/lib/libfoo.so.N
/usr/lib/libfoo-N.so -> libgw-guile-foo.so.N
Given that, you can still use (dynamic-link "libgw-guile-foo-N"), but
nothing else has to deal with the versioned name. Of course if you
w
the upstream doesn't bump the major
number (change the soname) every time they break backward binary
compatibility.
HTH
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I have a gnome.h file at
> /opt/gnome/include/gnome.h
When you report this kind of problem, please include the ./configure
statement you used so we can see if that's OK. Often the wrong
configure options can cause this problem.
Thanks
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bly need:
./configure \
--prefix=/opt \
--with-opt-style-install \
--with-gnome=/opt/gnome \
--with-xmhtml-includes=wherever \
--with-xmhtml-libraries=wherever
Though this is unlikely to work. The GNOME interface is completely
broken right now.
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hare was in
the CVS repository, I don't know why you didn't get it. If you're
using cvs, you have to always specify the "-d" option with update or
you won't get new directories...
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w the rutime paths are fixed by the call to
./configure, and make install-opt is gone. The configure flag
--with-opt-style-install has taken its place.
Unfortunately, I haven't had time to get the patch together, and I
probably won't for a couple more days...
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Eugene Kanter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I could not figure out how to install config files in /etc/ instead of
> prefix/etc. If someone knows please help.
./configure --sysconfdir=/etc --prefix=/wherever ...
I think...
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Eugene Kanter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'll see how Makefiles can be rewritten correctly with install_prefix
> option.
Don't waste too much time on this. My next patch will make this
unnecessary.
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ucash-shell -l src/scm/graph.scm
guile> (pie-window)
"q" in the pie chart will close that window, and (quit) will get you
out of gnucash-shell (Yes, I know. Quitting should close the window).
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ky to get right since CBB puts splits in several files
with no unique identifier to link them all together. Pulling things
back together requires some careful matching and a little guessing.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> ... shouldn't configure find out, whether there is one at all, and
> advise properly if there is none.
Yes. We need to change configure.in to check for all the things that
are required and call AC_MSG_ERROR if they aren't found.
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