Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Willie Walker
> So the question now is where do we go from here? Do I spend my time > hacking something together in Orca which only kinda sorta works to > address the fact that Debian and Ubuntu have decided to do their own > thing? Or do I spend my time trying to work on the WebKitGtk side of > things? I'm sure

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 08:37:30AM EST, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. Thanks for your explanation. > I was wondering why I was getting no speech. > > Now that I understand the issue, I have to say that since Debian and Ubuntu > chose to ignore upstream, they should be the ones to fix it. > Since Linux

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi. Thanks for your explanation. I was wondering why I was getting no speech. Now that I understand the issue, I have to say that since Debian and Ubuntu chose to ignore upstream, they should be the ones to fix it. Since Linux is my only desktop OS, I depend on Firefox for access to the web. Cons

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Steve Lee
Thanks for the clear explanation. On 23 February 2010 20:49, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > So the question now is where do we go from here? Do I spend my time > hacking something together in Orca which only kinda sorta works to > address the fact that Debian and Ubuntu have decided to do their own > t

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Steve Lee
On 23 February 2010 21:11, Shaun McCance wrote: > How important is it that Debian or Ubuntu are accessible? > Can our team really afford to chase every accessibility > issue that gets introduced by distros? Can't we advise > people to use a distro that has better accessibility out > of the box?

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 15:49 -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > 3. Shaun said that he wouldn't migrate Yelp to WebKitGtk until the > accessibility issues had been addressed. (Thanks Shaun!!) I should also mention that the Yelp 3.0 work is tied pretty heavily to WebKit. It would be a pretty major job

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 20:19 +0200, Xan Lopez wrote: > OK, so any of the missing caret browsing issues actually prevents the > app from working at all? Yup. Startling, isn't it? Okay, all kidding aside Basically, there are several things going on here: 1. The accessibility work that had bee

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Right, so my impression was that those issues made the experience >> not-that-good but I wasn't aware that for some people it simply meant >> "yelp does nothing", which is pretty bad. Maybe that was me not paying >> enough attention, but i

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 20:10 +0200, Xan Lopez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Joanmarie Diggs > wrote: > > Hey Xan. > > > > The caret navigation ones are key: > > > > * 25526 - Additional support is needed for caret browsing. Almost done, > > but home, end etc. are waiting for something i

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey Xan. > > The caret navigation ones are key: > > * 25526 - Additional support is needed for caret browsing. Almost done, > but home, end etc. are waiting for something in DRT. > > * 25533 - Elements on the same line should be treated as

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 01:02:31PM -0500, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 11:57 -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote: > > > Hopefully, one of the Orca developers can answer you. All I know at this > > point, is I get no speech when I start help. Flat review sees nothing. > > The flat revi

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 11:57 -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hopefully, one of the Orca developers can answer you. All I know at this > point, is I get no speech when I start help. Flat review sees nothing. The flat review issue is related to the fact that we need to implement character and range ext

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
Hey Xan. The caret navigation ones are key: * 25526 - Additional support is needed for caret browsing. Almost done, but home, end etc. are waiting for something in DRT. * 25533 - Elements on the same line should be treated as such by caret navigation. Hasn't been touched. We also need to unbork

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 07:47:52PM +0200, Xan Lopez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Kenny Hitt wrote: > > Hi. > > After the recent discussion on this list, I filed a bug in Debian to try to > > ask them to not use webkit for yelp. > > The Debian maintainer replyed and told me he thou

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi. > After the recent discussion on this list, I filed a bug in Debian to try to > ask them to not use webkit for yelp. > The Debian maintainer replyed and told me he thought the accessibility issues > were resolved.  A quick sirch for webkit o

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Piñeiro
From: Kenny Hitt > Hi. > After the recent discussion on this list, I filed a bug in Debian to try to > ask them to not use webkit for yelp. > The Debian maintainer replyed and told me he thought the accessibility issues > were resolved. A quick sirch for webkit on bugzilla.gnome.org didn't > fi

Re: help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
The Orca meta bug for WebKitGtk is: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25531 Of the total 62 bugs, we have 19 to go. Plus any others we find along the way (e.g. crashers, things we discover when actually writing the Orca script, etc.) HTH. --joanie On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 11:37 -0600, Kenny H

help with data on webkit accessibility

2010-02-23 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi. After the recent discussion on this list, I filed a bug in Debian to try to ask them to not use webkit for yelp. The Debian maintainer replyed and told me he thought the accessibility issues were resolved. A quick sirch for webkit on bugzilla.gnome.org didn't find any bugs. I'm sure I didn't