Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-27 Thread Bill Haneman
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 16:03, Chris Jones wrote: > "The very same thing" refers to where you say that disabled users will > complain if the onscreen keyboard conflicts with sticky keys. > > What I am trying to say is that an onscreen keyboard should work > whether sticky keys is on or not. By its

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-27 Thread Chris Jones
"The very same thing" refers to where you say that disabled users will complain if the onscreen keyboard conflicts with sticky keys. What I am trying to say is that an onscreen keyboard should work whether sticky keys is on or not. Surely an application changing system wide settings just so it ca

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-27 Thread Bill Haneman
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 01:42, Peter Korn wrote: > Hi Chris, > > One more thing. You write: > > > Using the system wide sticky keys means I need to have at least one > > dialog box when my keyboard starts and is therefore completely > > unacceptable. > > Have you filed an RFE on this issue (seeki

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-27 Thread Bill Haneman
Hi Chris: I'll try to respond to each of your points in turn: On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 00:51, Chris Jones wrote: > But this very same thing makes it very awkward who want sticky keys on > the keyboard and non-sticky on a physical. Which would be true for > all non-a11y users and some a11y users. I

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Peter Korn
Hi Chris, One more thing. You write: > Using the system wide sticky keys means I need to have at least one > dialog box when my keyboard starts and is therefore completely > unacceptable. Have you filed an RFE on this issue (seeking a way to invoke the system-wide Sticky-Keys functionality pro

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Peter Korn
Hi Chris, I think there are two issues here. Well, three: 1. Can an on-screen keyboard implement "sticky" modifiers without using the system support for sticky modifiers? 2. Can an on-screen keyboard circumvent/disable the system support for sticky modifiers (and slow keys, and...)? 3. Is

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Chris Jones
But this very same thing makes it very awkward who want sticky keys on the keyboard and non-sticky on a physical. Which would be true for all non-a11y users and some a11y users. In the end though the only manner it interferes with my keyboard is the annoying dialogue that pops up, and the average

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 22:28, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > ... > > > > In other words I cannot spend the summer making gnome-a11y suitable > > for my needs. What I need is a temporary work around until after the > > SoC when I could find time to work on this aspect of gnome-a1

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 23:05, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Bill Haneman wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 22:28, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > > > > >> Bill, is it an accessibility violation to have unusable accessibility > >> tools? > >> > > > > Are you going to say something helpful? > > >

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Bill Haneman wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 22:28, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > >> Bill, is it an accessibility violation to have unusable accessibility tools? >> > > Are you going to say something helpful? > > OK, I should have resisted that last line, sorry. But there is a valid poi

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 22:28, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Bill, is it an accessibility violation to have unusable accessibility tools? Are you going to say something helpful? :-/ Bill > - Henrik > > ___ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Chris Jones wrote: > ... > > In other words I cannot spend the summer making gnome-a11y suitable > for my needs. What I need is a temporary work around until after the > SoC when I could find time to work on this aspect of gnome-a11y and > fix my program so it is not an "accessibility violation".

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Bill Haneman
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 21:43, Chris Jones wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > > The system-wide StickyKeys is too inflexible for my needs. I have the > following gripes: > * A user might want the onscreen keyboard to be sticky but not the physical. I am not convinced that users will really want t

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Chris Jones
Thanks for your reply. The system-wide StickyKeys is too inflexible for my needs. I have the following gripes: * A user might want the onscreen keyboard to be sticky but not the physical. * It does not allow me to implement the functionality in a way that is suitable for an onscreen keyboard

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Chris Jones
The sytem-wide StickyKeys is too inflexible for my needs. I have the following gripes: * A user might want the onscreen keyboard to be sticky but not the physical. * It allows me to implement the functionality in a way that is more suitable for an onscreen keyboard. One click sets sticky f

Re: [g-a-devel] Slow keys dialog

2006-06-26 Thread Bill Haneman
Hi Chris: The answer is, "don't implement sticky keys in your keyboard". You should be using the system-wide StickyKeys settings and feature instead (as GOK does). Interfering with the normal operation of the system wide setting (i.e clashing with it as your app does), is itself an accessibility