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2003-01-20 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Martin Albert wrote: > Q: S'2.1 with ggi-target-x needs options -nobuf:-nocursor. How to > arrange for that from in the program? I was starting to parse the > environment for GGI_DISPLAY to evtly extend it, but that cannot quite > be the suggested method? GGI can add optio

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2003-01-19 Thread Martin Albert
On Tuesday 17 December 2002 23:44, Martin Albert wrote: > Hanging out on dubious hacker websites, like ggi-project.org and > such, following links to stuff that interests me, i often end up > downloading from stacken.kth.se, strange favicon, strange mackan@ ... > :-) > > Eg., svgalib4libggi, ggi dr

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2002-12-21 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: > I really think it is a very important point to get _applications_ using a > GUI. I'd even say that it should be a requirement. > But I understand that you may also have a lot of work to do to get the > GUI essential elements running in Fresco... :-)

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2002-12-20 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Stefan Seefeld wrote: > I don't think an interactive GUI builder is an absolute must to get a > GUI, [...] I really think it is a very important point to get _applications_ using a GUI. I'd even say that it should be a requirement. But I understand that you may also have a

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2002-12-19 Thread Stefan Seefeld
Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: >>> Of course, there is a bootstrap problem here: which GUI to use for the UI >>>generator... :-)) But I really believe the latter should be able to >>>generate itself before claiming v.1! >> >>:-). Right. Well usual solution. Use an existing compile to compile, >>then comp

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2002-12-19 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > > 1- For precise interface layout, I do not want to program: I simply want > > an UI builder. I do *not* care of the actual API involved below, I do not > > want to be able to call it directly. I want these damns buttons to get > > drawn, I do not want

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2002-12-18 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Filip Spacek wrote: > What I think is needed is a more evolved concept of a subvisual. The > current one can only be used to create a rectangular viewport on an > existing visual is unfortunately insufficient. What we need is a subvisual > that can be defined by an arbitrary n

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2002-12-18 Thread Andreas Beck
Hi Rodolphe, > > > Which widget library? Some of your own or something more general? > > One of my own. > I'm sure it is interesting and I'll certainly have a look at it, but don't > you think that yet another custom widget library would not give problems > to GGI (as a project)? That's one of

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2002-12-18 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > > Which widget library? Some of your own or something more general? > > One of my own. Basically something to do away with an ugly TCL/Tk > script that is used to control eccet. The idea is to have something that > can nicely live side by side with o

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2002-12-18 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Filip Spacek wrote: [...] > Yes! These are exactly my dreams for the (near) future of libggi. > > What I think is needed is a more evolved concept of a subvisual. The > current one can only be used to create a rectangular viewport on an > existing visual is unfortunately ins

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2002-12-18 Thread Andreas Beck
> > > Which widget library? Some of your own or something more general? > > One of my own. > How about uploading to our GGI ftp server and posting the URL here? Done. It's in the misc-directory. widget.tgz CU, Andy -- = Andreas Beck| Email : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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2002-12-17 Thread Filip Spacek
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > Rodolphe Ortalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about 2 independent applications sharing a single 3D engine? > > :-) - yeah - what about any two apps sharing the same graphics subsystem > (apart from X) ;-). > > > > Which widget library? Some of y

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2002-12-17 Thread Christoph Egger
> > Which widget library? Some of your own or something more general? > > One of my own. Basically something to do away with an ugly TCL/Tk > script that is used to control eccet. The idea is to have something that > can nicely live side by side with other stuff on a GGI visual. > > Existing li

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2002-12-17 Thread Andreas Beck
Rodolphe Ortalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > crunching even badly structured code. GGI was _interesting_ - it gave > > something we didn't have on Linux yet, and it was _challenging_ to > > write Code for it. > You are too negative. Right. I was playing advocatus diaboli. > What about 2 ind

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2002-12-17 Thread Martin Albert
On Tuesday 17 December 2002 20:25, Martin Albert wrote: > > Heh! Where do you get this messages from? > Huh? This my own! [Explicit On] Hanging out on dubious hacker websites, like ggi-project.org and such, following links to stuff that interests me, i often end up downloading from stacken.kth.

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2002-12-17 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > When GGI was you, graphics on Linux was something exciting, new. And > hardware wasn't that overly powerful, that you could just take some > strange highlevel toolkit, drop in a scenery and get a 3D rendering > from it. in realtime, just because the ha

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2002-12-17 Thread Martin Albert
On Tuesday 17 December 2002 18:42, Christoph Egger wrote: > Heh! Where do you get this messages from? Huh? This my own! martin

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2002-12-17 Thread Christoph Egger
> of minor importance, just to avoid duplication ;) > > - Hey, Marcus, i'm porting your synaesthesia ggi-driver to the current > version. > > - Hey, Marcus, i'm after that svga4libggi of yours. Although you once > pointed out it was just a hack, there is so much serious interest in > it, it mi

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2002-12-17 Thread Martin Albert
of minor importance, just to avoid duplication ;) - Hey, Marcus, i'm porting your synaesthesia ggi-driver to the current version. - Hey, Marcus, i'm after that svga4libggi of yours. Although you once pointed out it was just a hack, there is so much serious interest in it, it might become one o

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2002-12-16 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > 4. Take every fscking application you find nice and provide it with >a LibGGI target. Show maintainers why LibGGI is a cool thing to have. >See my example about why GGI for mplayer rocks. This is indeed very important, IMO. There are lots of ap

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2002-12-16 Thread Andreas Beck
> Well, ok... When there are no objections within the next 6 hours, > I'll start to rename _all_ ggi libs (libgpf, libgic and libbse) and > extensions (libgalloc, libbuf, libovl, libblt, libwmh, libgcp, > libvideo, libxmi, etc.) to the form of libggi. (i.e. libggigpf, > libggigic, libggibse, libg

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2002-12-16 Thread Andreas Beck
> > libbse, libgic and libgpf are NO extensions. Thus, how should we mark > > ggi libs, which are NO extensions? IMO, extensions should be > > distinguishable from non-extensions by their (package-)names. > I clearly seem to fail to understand why this would be important, but > anyway, this is not

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2002-12-16 Thread Christoph Egger
> > On Sunday 15 December 2002 16:01, Christoph Egger wrote: > > > libbse, libgic and libgpf are NO extensions. Thus, how should we mark > > > ggi libs, which are NO extensions? IMO, extensions should be > > > distinguishable from non-extensions by their (package-)names. > > > > I clearly seem to

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2002-12-16 Thread Christoph Egger
> On Sunday 15 December 2002 16:01, Christoph Egger wrote: > > libbse, libgic and libgpf are NO extensions. Thus, how should we mark > > ggi libs, which are NO extensions? IMO, extensions should be > > distinguishable from non-extensions by their (package-)names. > > I clearly seem to fail to unde

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2002-12-16 Thread Martin Albert
On Sunday 15 December 2002 16:01, Christoph Egger wrote: > libbse, libgic and libgpf are NO extensions. Thus, how should we mark > ggi libs, which are NO extensions? IMO, extensions should be > distinguishable from non-extensions by their (package-)names. I clearly seem to fail to understand why t

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2002-12-15 Thread Christoph Egger
> Neil Pilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have tested your patch under Linux/i386 and Solaris 8/Sparc32. > > > Tomorrow evening, I can test it under MacOS X/PPC32, too. > > I've tested this and it works fine for me with Fresco, after prompting > > from bughunter^WChristoph that it might fix

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2002-12-15 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > I spent quite a while thinking this code through, and suppose I got it > right. I am not quite sure about the last two ifs in each chain. I think one > could use greater/less-or-equal in the comparisions as well, thus correctly > handling regions that jus

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2002-12-15 Thread Andreas Beck
Neil Pilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have tested your patch under Linux/i386 and Solaris 8/Sparc32. > > Tomorrow evening, I can test it under MacOS X/PPC32, too. > I've tested this and it works fine for me with Fresco, after prompting > from bughunter^WChristoph that it might fix the curre

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2002-12-15 Thread Neil Pilgrim
Christoph Egger wrote: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > [...] > > I have tested these changes with my application, and it fixes the problems > > I reported. > > > > Could you please go over the code and my comments and have a look, if the > > fix is right? That stuff is pretty complex t

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2002-12-15 Thread Christoph Egger
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Filip Spacek wrote: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Martin Albert wrote: > > > Sorry, if you find i'm insisting or sth. like that. I feel that i have > > unsolved problems (some more?: eg. module-versioning). > > > > Tell me to shut up or to try to do more mindreading about authors >

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2002-12-14 Thread Filip Spacek
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Martin Albert wrote: > Sorry, if you find i'm insisting or sth. like that. I feel that i have > unsolved problems (some more?: eg. module-versioning). > > Tell me to shut up or to try to do more mindreading about authors > reasons for those choices (am i not correct with: bu

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2002-12-14 Thread Christoph Egger
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > > My guess is, that the dirty region tracking code gets messed up by > > the Hline. > > Confirmed the GGI_X_CLEAN-Macro contains a bug (I think, it is pretty > had to understand) Diff attached, please validate before I commit. > > Rationale for the chang

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2002-12-14 Thread Martin Albert
On Saturday 14 December 2002 15:06, Filip Spacek wrote: > Personally, I would prefer something like > libggi_window_manager_hints.so, because I don't quite see the need > for shortening the name. And this goes for all extensions: > libggi_descriptive_name_of_the_extension.so. Currently, I have > ab

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2002-12-14 Thread Andreas Beck
> My guess is, that the dirty region tracking code gets messed up by > the Hline. Confirmed the GGI_X_CLEAN-Macro contains a bug (I think, it is pretty had to understand) Diff attached, please validate before I commit. Rationale for the changes: Old code was: #define GGI_X_CLEAN(vis, _x, _y, _

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2002-12-14 Thread Filip Spacek
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Martin Albert wrote: > Oh, no, not that again ...! ;-) Yet it must be. > > Christoph Egger on Friday 13 December 2002 21:24: > > Wann wird -rc5 ueberhaupt via aptget downloadbar? > > Packages are ready. I haven't uploaded, 'cause i don't like them yet. > All that strange nam

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2002-12-14 Thread Martin Albert
Oh, no, not that again ...! ;-) Yet it must be. Christoph Egger on Friday 13 December 2002 21:24: > Wann wird -rc5 ueberhaupt via aptget downloadbar? Packages are ready. I haven't uploaded, 'cause i don't like them yet. All that strange names ... On Saturday 14 December 2002 02:35, Andreas Beck

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2002-12-14 Thread Andreas Beck
Forgot to mention - X server is XGGI running on top of matrox-fbdev. CU, Andy -- = Andreas Beck| Email : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =

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2002-12-14 Thread Andreas Beck
> > > [Crosshatch/HLine disturbs update of region below] > > This goes away, if I use either -noaccel or -nobuffer. > Sounds like a broken MIT-SHM X extension. Please check out -noshm, > -nobuffer:-noshm and -noaccel:-noshm Test results: "-noshm" doesn't change anything. The combination "-nobuffer

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2002-12-14 Thread Christoph Egger
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Andreas Beck wrote: > Yet another update: > > > > 3. One of my applications doesn't correctly update its windows. It draws a > > > picture and then a crosshatch above it and a small figure that can be moved > > > together with the crosshatch. Moving down works fine while movin

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2002-12-13 Thread Andreas Beck
Yet another update: > > 3. One of my applications doesn't correctly update its windows. It draws a > > picture and then a crosshatch above it and a small figure that can be moved > > together with the crosshatch. Moving down works fine while moving up/left > > leaves old crosshatch marks on the s

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2002-12-13 Thread Andreas Beck
> 1. The X target seems to use a proportional font now. I was wrong on that. However it is using a 6x13 font now. I have fixed my app to properly check the font size now, but: The font size cannot be determined before the mode is set, which is pretty annoying, as I want to size a window to hold

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2002-12-13 Thread Andreas Beck
Christoph asked me to check my multi-visual, multi-threaded Application with the current RC. I just did, and the results are not quite pleasing: 1. The X target seems to use a proportional font now. While it looks nice for looking at, it breaks quite some assumptions in my application and makes i