On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:16:27PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Miroslav Rovis
>> wrote:
>>> It's been discussed over and over again. Lots of people are firm in
>>> their understanding that Lennart is an a
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, the average home user is being jerked around for
>>> a corporate agenda.
>>
>> Yes, it is disgusting that developers add t
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
>
> I didn't ask for a howto for installing Gentoo on a Pi, I asked for a
> howto for getting rid of systemd on recent versions of Arch Linux,
> Debian, Raspbian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc. You said it's possible and I'm
> not forced to use systemd, so
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good
>> old-fashioned rc.
>
> It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance
> to FreeBSD[1] and the init system was noth
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Mick wrote:
>
> I've grep-ped the whole of /etc, no mention of "Knoppix" there.
>
> I've also looked in /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-enp6s8.conf to see what
> hostname NetworkManager sends to dhclient. No trace of "Knoppix" in there
> either.
>
> What else coul
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Marc Joliet wrote:
> When people compare systemd unit files to init scripts, they usually
> mean *raw* (LSB?) sysvinit scripts (as IIUC Debian use{s,d}), with all
> of their ridiculous amounts of boilerplate.
The latest Debian init.d skeleton uses "#!/lib/init/in
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>
> It is even more frustrating that these so-called predictable network
> names actually can change on a reboot, it's happened to me more than
> once when multiple network cards are detected in a different order.
>From Kay Sievers in [1]:
Btw
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 20.12.2016 um 05:23 schrieb Andrej Rode:
>>
>> Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem
>> with eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them
>> appreciates predictable network interfaces.
>
> Everyon
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
>>
>> You don't need to be convinced. It's sufficient that I know systemd
>> pretty well from the beginning when the Poettering fanboys of Arch Linux
>> forced this crap onto the Arch Linu
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 12/19/2016 01:09 PM, Andrej Rode wrote:
>>
>> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
>
> It could be I found a bug. After a reboot it went from the normal
> enp0s1 (or whatever) to eno1677789 or s
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:04 PM, lee wrote:
> Andrej Rode writes:
>>
>>> Or can you explain how unrecognisable names make things easier?
>>
>> Yeah they make life easier. From your talk you never had a problem
>> with eth<0,10> switching names after boot. Everyone who had them
>> appreciates pred
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Corbin Bird wrote:
>
> ( PulseAudio is also being merged into systemd. Think about it. )
Unless the systemd developers have decided to stop targeting the
non-desktop use-case, this is pure delirium.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:15:50 +0100, lee wrote:
>>
>> The perceived advantage lies in being able to refer to network ports
>> in a more reliable way, and I don't see how using unrecognisable
>> names instead of recognisable ones would make any
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:52:41 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>
>> All of this whining about predictable NIC names would be more or less
>> OK if there wasn't an easy way to override them in
>> "/{lib,etc}/systemd/netwo
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> I don't use grub on UEFI systems, but I use the systemd bootloader, so I
> thought I'd keep quiet about that ;-)
I'm also a heretic who uses the systemd bootloader no matter what pid1
is in charge.
It's the best thing that the systemd dev
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 12/21/2016 10:53 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>>>
>>> It could be I found a bug. After a reboot it went from the normal
>>> enp0s1 (or whatever) to eno16
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 8:57 PM, lee wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> [1] There's no need to learn/use the udev rules syntax. I use the
>> following in "/etc/systemd/network/" on a Debian 8 system with
>> sysvinit-as-pid1:
>>
>> [Match]
>> MACAdd
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:07 PM, lee wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>>>
>>> It is even more frustrating that these so-called predictable network
>>> names actually can change on a reboot, it's happened to me
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 3:39 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:26:05 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't use grub on UEFI systems, but I use the systemd bootloader,
>>> so I thought I'd keep quiet about that ;-)
>>
>> I'm
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:26:05 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> It's the best thing that the systemd developers have produced!
>>
>> Exc
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 1:35 PM, lee wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:07 PM, lee wrote:
>>>
>>> How is that more reliable?
>>
>> It's more reliable than using the kernel's names because the names
>> won't change UNL
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 3:01 PM, lee wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> AFAIK, you have three possibilities.
>>
>> 1) If you're renaming a NIC via its MAC address, you have to edit the
>> config file thatlinks the NIC's names and its MAC address.
>>
>>
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM, lee wrote:
> Neil Bothwick writes:
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with wanting things to work as you do, but it
>> requires input to do so. It you have to start editing files to make
>> it work properly, there is little point in making it the default.
>
> Right, and
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Miroslav Rovis
wrote:
> On 161229-05:13-0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM, lee wrote:
>> > Neil Bothwick writes:
>>>>
>> There are two ways to ensure that you always have the kernel's names:
>>
On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
>
> The strange C.UTF-8 , which was suggested by one of the devolopers of
> media-gfx/darktable, did cause the problems. The error messages were
> strange and misleading.
>
> Urs wrote
>
>> You can generate a "fake" C.UTF-8 locale with locale
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Jonathan Callen wrote:
> On 01/08/2017 11:36 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
>>> Urs wrote
>>>
>>>> You can generate a "fake" C.UTF-8 locale with localedef:
>>>
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> GRUB2 counts partitions from 1, but drives from 0 (a brilliant
> decision) so these would be (hd1,6) and (hd1,7).
They should've changed hd0/hd1/... to hda/hdb/... when they changed
(hd0,msdos1) to correspond to /dev/sda1 [as opposed to (h
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> I notice some comments that menu.lst is "legacy GRUB", and GRUB2 has
> gone off the deep end with a ton of config files.
Unless you want to customize your grub menu in a way not desired or
anticipated by the grub2 developers, you just have
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:
>
> The linux kernel stalls stone cold dead in either direct from firmware
> or pass through grub mode.
AFAIK, when you load the kernel directly from the EFI firmware, it has
to have the ".efi" suffix. But that doesn't explain why it would stall
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> AFAIK, when you load the kernel directly from the EFI firmware, it has
>> to have the ".efi" suffix. But that doesn't explain why it would stall
>> when loaded from grub...
>>
>&g
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:
> I looked for more information on GRUB form upstream but, on first
> impression, it's been an abandoned project since 2012... Apparently
> some users have posted patches to things like the invalid sector size
> problem but the project has bee
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
>
> I tried grub2 and dumped it for "rEFit" - ended up a lot easier and
> more robust.
rEFIt or rEFInd?
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Alan Grimes wrote:
>
> Had another learning experience with respect to how GPT disks work.,
> system is buttoned up and operating in GPT mode. In old systems, the
> boot sectors and bootstrap loaders were kinda consigned to a digital
> pergatory on the drive, now
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> On 28/01/17 00:25, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
>>>
>>> I tried grub2 and dumped it for "rEFit" - ended up a lot easier and
>>> more robust.
>>
On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Mick wrote:
>
> rEFInd is definitely a slick and useful boot manager for multibooting.
> On this occasion I did not install it, but decided to remain
> minimalist, because I do not want to interfere much with the AppleMac
> installation.
>
> So, I created /boot/EFI
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 29 Jan 2017 14:44:45 Tom H wrote:
>>
>> [1] Apple's EFI firmware can read hfsplus and it boots (IIRC since OS
>> X 10.10) from a kernel on the Apple_Boot partition (disk0s3).
>
> Yes, Apple's firmware
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Monday 30 Jan 2017 06:10:47 Tom H wrote:
>>
>> AFAIK, since the advent of defaulting to CoreStorage (OS X 10.10? - OS
>> X's equivalent of LVM) and full-disk encryption (OS X 10.10?),
>> bootx64.efi/boot.efi cann
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to stop journald from writing errors all over my
> terminal?
>
> I've never seen this before. The error message shows up in dmesg as it's
> supposed to but it also writes it whereever the cursor happens to be
> which is ex
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 02/01/2017 05:57 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how to stop journald from writing errors all over
>>> my terminal?
>>>
>&
On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Miroslav Rovis
wrote:
>
> Oh I meant SELinux, and pls. be the first to deny there were hooks
> planted in Linux by Linus via the LSM (the Linux Security Module, for
> the general audience), as per:
>
> Developer Raps Linux Security
> http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/3
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:13:22 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
but running: /etc/init.d/modules-load restart
does not restart the module.
>>>
>>> Does modprobe load it?
>>
>> Yes, it did; thank you.
>> modprobe it87 Worked.
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Hogren wrote:
> On 22/03/2017 13:58, Hogren wrote:
>> On 22/03/2017 13:57, Hogren wrote:
>>> On 22/03/2017 13:42, Arthur Țițeică wrote:
În ziua de miercuri, 22 martie 2017, la 14:34:50 EET, Hogren a scris:
>
> Anybody knows why ~/.bashrc is not running
On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 08:23:22 +0200
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> Or you could use Ubuntu.
>
> Can you please refrain from such phrases.
History with Alab G.
As an Ubuntu user, perhaps I should take offense! :)
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 09:44:27PM +1000, Michael Palimaka wrote
>>
>> Someone raised the issue that the "time server" option in the date
>> and time applet was greyed out on their system. It turns out that
>> this occurs if neither ntpdate nor
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Dale wrote:
>
> I've installed Linux Mint with Mate.
Isn't Mate as heavy as Gnome on your low-powered box? Isn't it Gnome 3
with Gnome-shell replaced by the Mate interface?
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Dale wrote:
>
> I have this set to send text only for gentoo.org and kde.org. Someone
> replied making me think it is not doing as instructed, even tho settings
> says it is. Can someone tell me for sure and certain that this is
> sending as it should? Text only I
On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>
> What is the exact syntax of the *_routes lines in the /etc/conf.d/net
> file, or where is it documented?
>
> The wiki gives a couple of examples, but they are all either just for
> dhcp (so no configurable routes) or else they are of the for
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> NFS uses RPC to do some heavy lifting - I don't know how familiar you
> are with this, so here's the quick version:
>
> When you mount something locally, and need to use the mounted
> filesystem, kernel calls are used to get at the data. Th
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Grant wrote:
>
> I'm trying to define names for my USB network interfaces keyed on the
> interface location instead of the interface MAC address. This udev
> rule renames one of them:
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", KERNEL=="enp3s0u1", NAME="net0"
>
> But it doesn't work aut
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 24/08/14 20:05, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Grant wrote:
>>>
>>> SUBSYSTEM=="net", KERNEL=="enp3s0u1", NAME="net0"
>>
>> "enp3s0u1" isn
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Grant wrote:
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", KERNEL=="enp3s0u1", NAME="net0"
"enp3s0u1" isn't a kernel name; it's an "ID_NET_NAME_PATH" attribute.
>>>
>>> That's what came to my mind too, that's why I instructed him away from it.
>>
>> Yeah, I saw your emai
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that
> actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room
> for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger.
If you're using gummiboot,
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>
> Point is he's trying to paint the picture that systemd folks rattle on and
> on about its speed, but they don't.
The speed argument/anti-argument can be traced back to Lennart's first
blog post on systemd (IIRC "rethinking pid 1") whe
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:09 AM, James wrote:
>
> livedvd-amd64-multilib-20140826.iso
>
> The old livedvd, to get root access it was "sudo su -"
>
> which does not see to work. Ideas on the new
> syntax to get root access.
How about "sudo -i" or "sudo -s"?
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, walt wrote:
>
> This machine (my nfsv3 file server) just got a new wireless adapter, which
> works fine for everything except serving files :(
>
> mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
>
> google shows me lots about slow nfs connect
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt wrote:
> On 10/05/2014 08:31 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, walt wrote:
>>>
>>> This machine (my nfsv3 file server) just got a new wireless adapter, which
>>> works fine for everything except serving f
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt wrote:
>
> I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble
> with NetworkManager at boot time.
>
> I have systemd start NetworkManager at boot because I need the internet
> for ntpdate and to start the nfs server for the LAN. Before I
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> CentOS 7.0, however, was a mess.
>
> It took three attempts and almost an entire day of work.
>
> My first attempt was to use the "minimal" ISO image so that I would
> have the option of burning a CD if needed (I can't burn DVDs at the
> mo
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:53 PM, walt wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 08:23 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:39 PM, walt wrote:
>>>
>>> I just switched my home LAN from wired to all wifi and I'm having trouble
>>> with NetworkManager at boot time.
&g
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:38 PM, walt wrote:
>
> Last night when I powered off my machines NFS was working perfectly. Today
> it's broken again for the nth time:
>
> #systemctl status nfs-server
> ● nfs-server.service - NFS server and services
>Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib64/systemd/system/nfs-se
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:46 PM, walt wrote:
> On 10/27/2014 12:56 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:38 PM, walt wrote:
>>>
>>> Last night when I powered off my machines NFS was working perfectly. Today
>>> it's broken again for the nth time:
>>>
>>> #systemctl status n
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Tom H wrote:
> Does rpcbind.target exist? Does rpcbind.service have a "Requires" or
> "Wants" for rpcbind.target? Is rpcbind.service enabled?
...
> I don't have access to a Gentoo box with nfs at the moment in order to
> c
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> ZoL (ZFS on Linux) nowadays is implemented using DKMS instead of FUSE, thus
> running in kernelspace, and (relatively) easier to put into an initramfs.
>
> Updating is a beeyotch on binary-based distros as it requires a recompile.
> Not a b
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>> Am 27.10.2014 um 16:36 schrieb Rich Freeman:
>>>
>>> and a boot
>>> partition as I don't think grub supports it - it could be a bit of a
>>> PITA for a single-drive system.
>>
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:18 PM, walt wrote:
> On 10/27/2014 08:22 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> The 1.2.9 nfs-utils ebuild has "systemd_dounit
>> "${FILESDIR}"/nfsd.service" where nfsd.service has
>> "Requires=rpcbind.service" and &quo
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> Since Gentoo's rpcbind.service has "Wants=rpcbind.target" and
>> "Before=rpcbind.target"", having nfs-server.service depend on
>> rpcbind.tar
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd.
> If people want to use it, fine.
> But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a
> problem with it.
It cuts both ways. Let's assume that you want to use p
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> Is "After" really necessary as an option? I've never come across a
>> service that uses "After" without a "Requires" or a Wants" but
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>
>> I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
>> by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
>> If I really wanted to, I might ge
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
>> to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
>> an httpd in syste
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Do you have an example of a service that uses "After=" but doesn't
>> need a "Requires=" or a "Wants="? I'm either b
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
>
> You guys should check out the ELK stack:
> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
>
> Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
> elastic search, and make plots with Kibana. We use it at work; it's
> absolutely
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
> wrote:
>>
>> You guys should check out the ELK stack:
>> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
>>
>> Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
>> elastic search, a
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> That makes perfect sense. I still have systems using the old grub. It works
> so why mess with it? However, I may give gummiboot a whirl, especially as
> UEFI let's your multiple bootloader.
I use gummiboot on my laptop and like it, but it
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:10 AM, wrote:
>
> Debain everywhere...
> Ubuntu everywhere...
>
> "To use this library just do a apt-get build-essential, apt-get this
> and apt-get that...your done".
It's a metapackage to install compilation and packaging packages. So
the Gentoo equivalent is "skip" th
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2014 18:05:29 Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey
>>>
>>> My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run
> levels
>>> at boot tim
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:18:30AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
>>
>> Can you find one example of any situation where the linux kernel has
>> ever required any specific implementation of anything in userspace as
>> a matter of policy in its 23 ye
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:11:56PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
>>
>> USE=systemd simply means to enable support for systemd, not that it is
>> running. Generally stuff like this should be a matter of
>> configuration, not build options.
>>
>> Ot
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
>
> Adoption of Systemd by other major distros sb good for Gentoo.
> Disgruntled Debians, Fedoras, Archies (IIRC they've also adopted it)
> will have a choice of giving in or moving to Slackware or Gentoo.
> Many of them may decide the moderate
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> Some devs take this stuff too personally.
Only the devs? LOL
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/23/2014 1:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> So, don't be surprised if FreeBSD develops something *really* similar
>> (along the lines of the second bullet) to systemd in the future
>
> Doesn't matter because:
>
> a) it won't be syste
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/23/2014 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>> Also, I'll wager it likely won't be implemented in such a way as to be
>> perceived by its user base as being shoved down their throats.
>
> Clarification - this reference was actually to the way Deb
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Gevisz wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 + Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
>>>
>>> I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
>>> window button "x" to the upper-left corner of the window
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Gevisz wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards
> wrote:
>> I prefer Gentoo over Ubuntu for a host of other reasons, but switching
>> from Ubuntu to Gentoo just to get a different desktop seems like
>> overkill.
>
> Strange enough but acc
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:05 PM, wrote:
> James [14-12-06 21:16]:
>>
>> Prong (1) includes all issues related to systemd. Probably embedded
>> experience with systemd is rare, just guessing. Certainly I have none
>> of that experience. So post to those iotop responses and remind
>> folks you are
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM, James wrote:
>
> And finally, I think that alll init systems are going to become very
> irrelevant in the next few years, as what they provide, can be passed
> from a *personal cluster* to any and all hardware, dymanically. That's
> what the cell phones (smart phon
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:05 PM, walt wrote:
>
> systemd puts /tmp on a tmpfs by default.
True, but there was pushback by Fedora developers when this became the
default so Lennart patched systemd for a "/tmp" mount in "/etc/fstab"
to override "/lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount".
A pseudo-policy (pse
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
> James writes:
>>
>> OK, if that is true, who is answering your questions on lxde, which
>> I am still using? I have lots of breakage on lxde; I do not bother
>> fixing. I'm working on migrating to lxqt. Good luck with lxde.
>
> Not sure I fol
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Mick wrote:
>
> Old dogs and new tricks springs to mind. I am building a new PC and what with
> UEFI, APUs and SSDs, it feels like that the world has moved a long way since
> the last time I had to install gentoo.
>
> I'll be taking my time to google, read and mak
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 19 Dec 2014 15:46:43 Todd Goodman wrote:
>> * Mick [141219 10:22]:
>>
>>> I am trying to find out what is considered good practice as far as
>>> UEFI/MBR and boot management goes.
>>
>> FWIW, I've built recent machines with UEFI/GPT but I
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM, German wrote:
>
> That's where I think the problem lies Mick. My system is uefi. Too bad that
> gen too officially doesn't support it. I just wish gentoo developers take a
> closer
> look at the issue and come out with uefi capable minimal installation CD and
> c
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick wrote:
>
> I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
> switched Secure Boot to other OS (as opposed to MS Windows), with
> sysrescuecd-4.4.1.
>
> Unfortunately I can't get a console due to this error:
>
> error: no suitable mode f
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick wrote:
>>>
>>> I just tried to boot my Asus MoBo A88XM-PLUS, after I disabled CMS and
>>> switched Secure Boo
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:01 PM, German wrote:
>
> BTW Todd, does Mint allow to boot only in console mode, i.e. without X and DE?
If Mint uses Ubuntu's ubiquity installer, you can hit F6 then Esc to
get to the kernel cmdline when you're at the screen where you choose
to try or install.
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Mick wrote:
> On Thursday 25 Dec 2014 09:20:15 Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, German wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:17:19 -0500
>>> Tom H wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Mick wrote:
&
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 12:56:36 -0500
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I think the real problem is that there aren't many devs who care about
> Java in the first place. That isn't a policy problem - it is a
> manpower problem.
+1
In the past two years, I've committed much to the Java categories. That
grows
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:20:01 -0500
Rich Freeman wrote:
> What do you do if somebody blocks progress in your overlay structure?
> You start another one.
Sounds like something that can work, survival of the [insert anything].
> What do you do if somebody blocks progress in the current Gentoo
> p
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:50:48 +0100
hasufell wrote:
> Again: you are confusing a specific incident with my proposal of a
> distributed model. I was just bringing it up as an _additional_
> argument why I find the distributed approach more interesting...
> because it makes it easier to regroup and
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:29:28 +0100
"Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
> And proposing a Java revolution because the existing team
> does not immediately jubilate at your extensive reform proposals is
> also not necessarily the best idea.
For those that disagree, start overlay java2015 and prove him wr
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Urs Schütz wrote:
>
> I changed /etc/hosts as Mick/Michael pointed out in an other reply, and this
> solved the slow response. Here the relevant part of the corrected, working
> /etc/hosts:
>
> # IPv4 and IPv6 localhost aliases
> 127.0.0.1cadd.homeLAN localhost
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