What makes it better than icecat, iceweasel, foxcat, and so on?
On 12/17/2016 12:59 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:27:08PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote
There, the few sentences, but the topic really is serious, will
Firefox, from Firefox52, in my machine, and in people who do
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > Well, he is a Red Hat employee. Nobody really debates that.
>
> Maybe it's not intentional spyware malice, but rather that home users
> are being jerked around while Redhat re-writes linux as a corporate OS.
>
> Systemd does all s
On Friday 16 Dec 2016 19:19:11 Poison BL. wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Mick wrote:
> > I am looking at a Mint 18 installation and noticed when running netstat
> > that
> > all tcp connections are showing not the PC name, but "Knoppix":.
> >
> > What might be the cause of this? The i
On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
>>> Well, he is a Red Hat employee. Nobody really debates that.
>>
>> Maybe it's not intentional spyware malice, but rather that home users
>> are being jerked around while Redhat re-writes
Am Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:06:00 -0500
schrieb Philip Webb :
> I just updated Qt5 to 5.6.2 & ran into a familiar Portage problem.
>
> The emerge command responds with a list of "conflicts",
> all involving 5.6.1 vs 5.6.2 versions of the c 15 pkgs.
> The only way to get around this is to unmerge the
Am 17.12.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the way
> particular piece of software is going, you can get a full refund and
> switch to something else.
Not this argument
On Saturday 17 Dec 2016 12:27:18 Kai Krakow wrote:
> Am Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:06:00 -0500
>
> schrieb Philip Webb :
> > I just updated Qt5 to 5.6.2 & ran into a familiar Portage problem.
> >
> > The emerge command responds with a list of "conflicts",
> > all involving 5.6.1 vs 5.6.2 versions of the
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 01:36:21 -0800, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the
> > way particular piece of software is going, you can get a full refund
> > and switch to something else.
> That argument doesn't really offer anything of substance
On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:35:54 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 17.12.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >
> > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the
> > way particular piece of software is going, you can get
Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all
> without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed
> changing them when they continue to work perfectly well.
Then explain me how this is done. Btw., Debian's a
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
>
>>> So tell me how I
>>> get a full refund for systemd and how to switch to something usable.
>>
>> I've answered the latter, your refund is attached :)
>
> No, you didn't.
Well, how much did you
On 17/12/2016 16:35, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
>
>> I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all
>> without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed
>> changing them when they continue to work perfectly well.
>
>
On 17/12/2016 14:51, Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 17 Dec 2016 12:27:18 Kai Krakow wrote:
>> Am Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:06:00 -0500
>>
>> schrieb Philip Webb :
>>> I just updated Qt5 to 5.6.2 & ran into a familiar Portage problem.
>>>
>>> The emerge command responds with a list of "conflicts",
>>> all invo
On 12/17/2016 09:44 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 17/12/2016 16:35, Heiko Baums wrote:
>> Am 17.12.2016 um 14:17 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
>>
>>> I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all
>>> without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed
>>> changing
Am 17.12.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Rich Freeman:
> Well, how much did you pay for systemd, and who did you pay it to?
And there it is. The second most stupid and second most frequently
argument of those Poettering fanboys.
You don't expect an answer to this, do you?
> And as far as how to switch to
Am 17.12.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> It's not Neil's job to solve your problems. It's your job.
>
> Neil isn't offering a solution to you, he's trying to guide your
> thoughts in a direction where you can see solutions, so please stop
> asking him (or anyone else) to find them for you.
A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're
working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly
to ffmpeg and libav. This gets rid of one layer of middleware, and the
associated security problems.
--
Walter Dnes
I don't run "desktop environments
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
>
> And the next silly argument which always comes from these Poettering
> fanboys. As if everybody is a programmer, and as if everybody who uses a
> computer and/or Linux has to be a programmer.
>
Well, beggars can't be choosers. That's just l
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 03:08:36AM -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote
> What makes it better than icecat, iceweasel, foxcat, and so on?
I don't use any of them, so I can't do a comparison. BTW, Iceweasel
is no more https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
> As of 9th of June, 2016 the package Firefox-ESR r
On a detour from the setuid X problem, I wanted to play with Linux
capabilities. But the simplest possible example from libcap README
fails:
root@matica ~ # getcap /bin/ping
Failed to get capabilities of file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported)
root@matica ~ #
Any idea what could be wrong? I
On Saturday 17 December 2016 14:10:04 Walter Dnes wrote:
> A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're
> working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly
> to ffmpeg and libav. This gets rid of one layer of middleware, and the
> associated securi
On Saturday 17 December 2016 19:20:03 Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 17.12.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Rich Freeman:
[...]
> > If you don't think the guides on how to install Gentoo on a Pi are
> > good enough, then play around with it until you figure it out, and
> > then post an article on the Wiki.
>
> Didn
On 17/12/2016 20:22, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am 17.12.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>> It's not Neil's job to solve your problems. It's your job.
>>
>> Neil isn't offering a solution to you, he's trying to guide your
>> thoughts in a direction where you can see solutions, so please stop
>> aski
> No he isn't offering a solution. He claims that nobody is forcing me to
> using systemd. Well, Gentoo isn't indeed, but the other distros are.
>
> I just asked him for a solution. I couldn't find one so far.
>
If you want to use Debian but want to ditch systemd people already
mentioned a coupl
Am 17.12.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Marc Joliet:
> Looks like somebody hasn't heard of cross-compiling! Perhaps check out sys-
> devel/crossdev and/or ask on the gentoo-embedded mailing list. In fact, in
> this particular case I *will* provide you with a link:
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspbe
> And there's always this silly argument by these Poettering fanboys, that
> they don't force systemd onto anybody, and that's always possible to
> switch from systemd to another init system. Then this must be possible
> under - at least - almost every distro.
For sure it is possible for a distro
Am 17.12.2016 um 23:53 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> No, I'm not a Poetering fanboy,
Ok, then I'm sorry.
> and you seem to be seeing the world in a
> way that fits your biases.
No, I don't.
> And you really need to go back and read the thread. Of course nobody
> said Neil is offering you a solution;
Am 17.12.2016 um 23:57 schrieb Andrej Rode:
> And why should a Gentoo based system draw more power than any other
> Linux distro?
Because compiling takes quite a lot of time and power. Of course that
may depend on how and how often you use your computer. Proably doesn't
such a difference if your c
On 161217-00:55-0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:16:27PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Miroslav Rovis
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's been discussed over and over again. Lots of people are firm in
> > > their understanding that Lennart is an actor
Am 18.12.2016 um 00:23 schrieb Andrej Rode:
> For reference did you try to write an init script for a piece of
> software in SysVInit, systemd and OpenRC to be able to compare them?
Yes, at least I had to read a lot of them. And init scripts are really a
lot easier to write and read than such a sy
On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good
> old-fashioned rc.
It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance
to FreeBSD[1] and the init system was nothing like it the BSD one. :)
[1] Unless you installed DECShell, a
Am 18.12.2016 um 00:17 schrieb Heiko Baums:
> Btw., I hope that the Devuan people once will make a release for the Pi,
> too.
They already did.
Heiko Baums
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 09:51:07PM +0100, Marc Joliet wrote
> On Saturday 17 December 2016 14:10:04 Walter Dnes wrote:
> > A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're
> > working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly
> > to ffmpeg and libav. T
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On December 17, 2016 11:10:04 AM PST, Walter Dnes wrote:
> A note; the developers have stated in the Pale Moon forum that they're
>working on getting rid of gstreamer, and having Pale Moon talk directly
>to ffmpeg and libav. This gets rid of one la
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:58:45PM +, Grant Edwards wrote
> On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> > But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good
> > old-fashioned rc.
>
> It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance
> to FreeBSD[1] and the init syste
I'm running Pale Moon. In an xterm, I did...
export SSLKEYLOGFILE=/dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt
...and launched Pale Moon manually from the commandline. nd visited a
couple of https sites. I did get /dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt which
begins with the line...
# SSL/TLS secrets log file, generated b
On 12/17/2016 04:57 PM, Marc Joliet wrote:
On Saturday 17 December 2016 19:20:03 Heiko Baums wrote:
Am 17.12.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Rich Freeman:
[...]
If you don't think the guides on how to install Gentoo on a Pi are
good enough, then play around with it until you figure it out, and
then pos
On 12/17/2016 08:56 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
I'm running Pale Moon. In an xterm, I did...
export SSLKEYLOGFILE=/dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt
...and launched Pale Moon manually from the commandline. nd visited a
couple of https sites. I did get /dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt which
begins with the l
Hi,
I searched for this on the Web and the only one I found, which
is available, seems to be a Windows-only product (needs Windows
drivers).
May be someone on this list knows a solution:
Is there any "something"-to-SCSII-adapter, which can be used with
Linux, and which is not a "hardisk only" one
> Because compiling takes quite a lot of time and power. Of course that
> may depend on how and how often you use your computer. Proably doesn't
> such a difference if your computer is running 24/7 anyway.
And why are you compiling your software on a low-power embedded
platform? That's the point
> Funtoo, knoppix and devuan are not serious professional grade distros,
> two of those are in beta and gentoo isn't something you want on most
> production servers.
>
> You can't be seriously suggesting that hobbyist distros with one or two
> developers and bad security policies is a serious rep
On 161217-20:56-0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I'm running Pale Moon. In an xterm, I did...
>
> export SSLKEYLOGFILE=/dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt
>
> ...and launched Pale Moon manually from the commandline. nd visited a
> couple of https sites. I did get /dev/shm/sslkeylogfile.txt which
> begins wi
> How come people are so little interested to read the traffic, to learn
> how sites behave which they visit, and often to discover what sites
> really do to them?
>
> I'll go and inquire at the Pale Moon forum about the issues above, and
> will post there this exact question above, I think.
Th
On 12/17/2016 08:58 PM, Andrej Rode wrote:
>
>> Funtoo, knoppix and devuan are not serious professional grade distros,
>> two of those are in beta and gentoo isn't something you want on most
>> production servers.
>>
>> You can't be seriously suggesting that hobbyist distros with one or two
>> dev
On Friday 16 Dec 2016 19:19:11 Poison BL. wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Mick wrote:
> > I am looking at a Mint 18 installation and noticed when running netstat
> > that
> > all tcp connections are showing not the PC name, but "Knoppix":.
> >
> > What might be the cause of this? The i
On 18/12/2016 01:58, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good
>> old-fashioned rc.
>
> It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance
> to FreeBSD[1] and the init system was nothing like it
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 02:16:27PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Miroslav Rovis
>> wrote:
>>> It's been discussed over and over again. Lots of people are firm in
>>> their understanding that Lennart is an a
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 12/17/2016 12:53 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, the average home user is being jerked around for
>>> a corporate agenda.
>>
>> Yes, it is disgusting that developers add t
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
>
> I didn't ask for a howto for installing Gentoo on a Pi, I asked for a
> howto for getting rid of systemd on recent versions of Arch Linux,
> Debian, Raspbian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc. You said it's possible and I'm
> not forced to use systemd, so
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2016-12-17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good
>> old-fashioned rc.
>
> It's been a while since I ran VMS, but it had little very resemblance
> to FreeBSD[1] and the init system was noth
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Mick wrote:
>
> I've grep-ped the whole of /etc, no mention of "Knoppix" there.
>
> I've also looked in /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient-enp6s8.conf to see what
> hostname NetworkManager sends to dhclient. No trace of "Knoppix" in there
> either.
>
> What else coul
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