On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:03:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Vinyl has always been the medium of choice for audio snobs...
> And by "snob" you don't mean an insult, you mean "someone with a trained
> ear who can detect superior quality", right?
Those too. for those of us whose ears spent too lon
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:03:44 -0400, Michel Catudal wrote:
> Commenting on dictatorial behavior by some developper is not acting
> like a child, it is just defending a point.
All software is dictatorial, or at least oligarchic. code talks, those
that write it get to say what goes in it, those that
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:34:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> I know it has worked in the past, and I know that recent versions of
> some distros that use Grub2 still allow you to pick a partition for
> the bootloader during the install.
I'm installing openSUSE 13.2 into a VM right now and the
2015-08-28 7:03 GMT+03:00 gevisz :
> 2015-08-27 20:21 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick :
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:33 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>>> Fix the real error, and all that junk on the screen goes away. No reason
>>> to stop updating.
>>
>> And the "fix" is to resync, it's a fixed bug
>> htt
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 07:13:58 PM Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:42:07 +0200
>
> schrieb "J. Roeleveld" :
> > I only had 1 required by set.
> > Which basically got me to remove the llvm use-flag from mesa.
> >
> > That solved the block for me as it ended up removing "llvm"
>
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:34:05PM +0300, gevisz wrote:
> Yes, the full system update now proceeded without blocks, however
> with "severe warnings" while compiling firefox. They are provided below.
> But the issue with ncurces blocks seem to be resolved.
>
> Thank you all who replied to this thre
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:34:05PM +0300, gevisz wrote:
>> Yes, the full system update now proceeded without blocks, however
>> with "severe warnings" while compiling firefox. They are provided below.
>> But the issue with ncurces blocks s
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:27:14 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
>>
>> I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a partition
>> and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the MBR which is
>> unacceptab
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal
>>>
>>> I've had serious problems in the past getting [grub2] to install on a
>>> partition and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insist
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2015-08-27, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a partition
>>> and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:50 PM, wrote:
>
> The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like
> Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of
> the PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot
> Operating systems on my c
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
wrote:
>
> You do need a manager like efibootmgr unless you have a really good "bios"
> menu
> where you can manage your entries. Only removable media is autodetected on all
> EFI boxes I've seen. I use GRUB2 because my efi firmware (like most)
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal
I've had serious problems in the past getting [grub2] to install on a
>>
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Jeremi Piotrowski
wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:19:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that's a
>>> pretty big reason to stick with grub-legacy.
>>
>>
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> The language toward us is not much nicer. There is some arrogance from the
> other side of the issue.
> We've been fighting this for years. It is a lie to say that it cannot
> install on a partition. What makes it not install is the instal
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
> Le 2015-08-27 15:18, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit :
>>
>> Who are you to tell them what they should work on? They're acting like
>> FOSS developers, many of whom work for free or underpaid so they work on
>> whatever the fuck they want. The pr
Hi All,
Apparently OneDrive, the Microsoft cloud storage, is using the webdav
protocol. However, to effect authentication OneDrive uses redirection to a
different URL, which breaks Linux connections to it. This page explains
someone's attempts using the previous MS offering of SkyDrive:
http
Am Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:44:29 +0200
schrieb "J. Roeleveld" :
> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 07:13:58 PM Marc Joliet wrote:
> > Am Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:42:07 +0200
> >
> > schrieb "J. Roeleveld" :
> > > I only had 1 required by set.
> > > Which basically got me to remove the llvm use-flag from mesa.
I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
This morning I just upgraded(?) ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-6.0-r1 and
immediately after doing that, portage wants to downgrade(?) from
6.0-r1 back to 6.0.
This comedy of errors would be funny if
Am Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:19:20 -0700
schrieb walt :
> I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
> because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
>
> This morning I just upgraded(?) ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-6.0-r1 and
> immediately after doing that, portage wants to downgrade(?) from
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM, walt wrote:
>
> Note that /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses/Changelog was last updated on
> April 6, several months ago.
>
> Rhetorical question: what is the purpose of a Changelog?
Gentoo is no longer maintaining the old Changelog files. The source
of all change lo
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> You can try the gitweb interface, for example like this:
> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/log/?qt=grep&q=ncurses.
>
A better view might be:
https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/log/sys-libs/ncurses
or if you prefer:
https://
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM, walt gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Note that /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses/Changelog was last updated on
> > April 6, several months ago.
> >
> > Rhetorical question: what is the purpose of a Changelog?
>
> Gentoo is no longer
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wrote:
>
> It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> without extra keystrokes?
Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some
consider this critical, some consider this pointless - I'll admit I
tend to fal
150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
Tested as user :
690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /home)
Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_
Hello, Rich.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:53:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wrote:
> >
> > It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> > without extra keystrokes?
[ ]
> While I do believe the ChangeLogs will show up aga
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> > without extra keystrokes?
>
> Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some
> consider t
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20:34AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> > git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>
> Tested as user :
>
> 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
> fatal: Not a git repository (or any pare
Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20:34AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
>> 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>> Tested as user :
>>
>> 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
>> fatal: Not a
For anybody who thinks git is hard, I'll just leave here my own
thoughts on the matter.
As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
- git clone
- git pull
- tig
That's it. Tig is in dev-vcs/tig, BTW, and it's really handy.
When I experimented with managin
walt gmail.com> writes:
> I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
> because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
I believe you. But here's what I just experienced::
I syncd a few hours ago. Now when I just went to upgrade I got this
gyration of the latest ncurses debacle::
Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
> For anybody who thinks git is hard, I'll just leave here my own
> thoughts on the matter.
>
> As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
>
> - git clone
> - git pull
> - tig
>
> That's it. Tig is in dev-vcs/tig, BTW, and it's really
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wrote:
> >
> > It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> > without extra keystrokes?
>
> Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some
> consider this critical, some consider this
Emanuele Rusconi gmail.com> writes:
> As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
> When I experimented with managing my config files with git I did a lot
> of reading (I was new to VCS in general), and in the end I realized
> that, although git is really powerf
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>
> Tested as user :
>
> 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
> fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mo
James, maybe you skimmed over the premise "As a user - not
specifically a Gentoo user"?
Should I explain its implications?
I was specifically addressing the complaint that you need to be a git
guru just to access the changelogs. You don't. As Rich Freeman already
pointed out, it's really trivial,
On Friday 28 Aug 2015 18:26:12 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
> >
> > Tested as user :
> > 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, James wrote:
> I agree with this. But since the Changlog data was a fundamental part
> of Gentoo, for a very long time, and the devs wisely chose to upgrade
> to git, I would think that this functionality would be provided
> via git, at least by some hacks or deta
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> >
> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
> >
> > Tested as user :
> >
> > 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
> > fatal: Not
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> I disagree completely. A little time spent on git is time wasted. Only
> a lot of time spent on git is useful.
I disagree with this.
> git is to VCSs as assembler is to programming languages. To use either
> effectively, you've got t
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:22 PM, James wrote:
>
> Surely I can mask off these updates and stay with ::
> sys-libs/ncurses- 5.9-r4
>
> For a while, till things settle a bit? Weird. I mask off a version
> and a newer, later version appears. wtf?
In your long post you didn't actually say what vers
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 28 Aug 2015 18:26:12 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
>> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>> >
>> > Tested as user :
>> > 690: ~> gi
Hello, Rich.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:41:05PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I disagree completely. A little time spent on git is time wasted. Only
> > a lot of time spent on git is useful.
> I disagree with this.
> > git is to VCSs
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:40 PM, wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
>> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> >
>> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>> >
>> > Tested as user :
>> >
>> > 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/por
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:45:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> There are all sorts of stupidities in it - like `push' and `pull' not
> being opposites
That's fair.
> `clone' not producing a clone, but a new repository
> radically different from the original.
That is not true. It is a clone, j
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:45:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to have to understand the design. I just want to be a
>> user. I've got enough things competing for limited mental capacity as
>> it is.
>
> What? I don't
Le 2015-08-27 23:36, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit :
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I
have grub correctly installed on the partition.
Install grub to a partition and do something like this:
su
c
On Aug 27, 2015 6:50 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a partition is
> >simply not supported.
>
> When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have
grub installing itself on the MBR when the users does
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
> Le 2015-08-27 23:36, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit :
>>
>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
>>>
>>> This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I
>>
>> have grub correctly installed on the
> > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
> > > This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I
> > have grub correctly installed on the partition.
This hasn't happened to you so it obviously means it isn't possible...
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, Michel
Am 28.08.2015 um 15:19 schrieb walt:
> I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
> because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
>
> This morning I just upgraded(?) ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-6.0-r1 and
> immediately after doing that, portage wants to downgrade(?) from
> 6.0-r1 back t
150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> To really appreciate git you should understand git objects
> and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are.
> Also, the whole copy-on-write concept and content-hashing concept.
> I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat
> through a 1 hr talk
Am Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:23:26 -0500
schrieb Dale :
> Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
> > For anybody who thinks git is hard, I'll just leave here my own
> > thoughts on the matter.
> >
> > As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
> >
> > - git clone
> > - git pull
>
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a
> one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you
> understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't
> take a lot of time.
Does that talk
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:00:54PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:42:46 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> > Title-artist-based filenames are harder than it looks. I'm working on
> > a bash script to generate title_-_artist.flac filenames from
> > audio_nn.inf data. Then I'll p
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558800
No big deal now that we can see all the recent changes to ncurses.
Me; I'm just going to wait until Monday, to sync and update.
> The problem was that EAPI5 (which is only a year old or so) interacts
> with sl
walt wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a
>> one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you
>> understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't
>> take a lot of
On 2015-08-28, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:34:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I know it has worked in the past, and I know that recent versions of
>> some distros that use Grub2 still allow you to pick a partition for
>> the bootloader during the install.
>
> I'm instal
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