[gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
Hi. I have a puzzle regarding upgrading postgresql. In my recent world update I went from 9.4_beta2 to beta3, but when I tried to start the server, it complained that the databases were written with a different "catalog version" -- whatever that is, and the pg_upgrade tool requires both old and n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/26/2014 1:04 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 25/09/14 22:03, James wrote: >> I'd be better of with a fresh install of lilblue + musl + eudev >> is what you are really saying here? > that's the only usecase for eudev currently, yes, otherwise you have no > reason to switch Hi Samuli, So, i

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Yes. You emerge both beta2 and beta3, then run pg_upgrade for beta3, provide BOTH binaries to it, it converts the base. Then you can delete beta2. 2014-11-10 16:04 GMT+05:00 : > Hi. I have a puzzle regarding upgrading postgresql. In my recent world > update I went from 9.4_beta2 to beta3, but w

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
However, when I emerge beta3, beta2 is gone, so this is my problem. Vladimir Romanov wrote: > Yes. You emerge both beta2 and beta3, then run pg_upgrade for beta3, > provide BOTH binaries to it, it converts the base. Then you can delete > beta2. > > 2014-11-10 16:04 GMT+05:00 : > > > Hi. I ha

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Well, emerge it again :). You can have two postgresql-servers in different slots. 2014-11-10 16:21 GMT+05:00 : > However, when I emerge beta3, beta2 is gone, so this is my problem. > > > Vladimir Romanov wrote: > > > Yes. You emerge both beta2 and beta3, then run pg_upgrade for beta3, > > provid

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
Well, after the emerge, no sign of beta2 anywhere, I have the directory /usr/lib64/postgresql-9.4/ with the beta3 binaries and that is all, is there a problem with the ebuilds or something? Vladimir Romanov wrote: > Well, emerge it again :). You can have two postgresql-servers in different > sl

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Vladimir Romanov
You updated your beta2 with beta3. Now you can add beta2 again by emerge =dev-db/posgresql-9.4-beta2 (or something like) 2014-11-10 16:36 GMT+05:00 : > Well, after the emerge, no sign of beta2 anywhere, I have the directory > /usr/lib64/postgresql-9.4/ with the beta3 binaries and that is all, is

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
What it does then is delete the beta3 and give me only beta2. This is what I had done to fix my original problem, I can show you the build log for beta3 if that would help. I am using gentoo-unstable, but that should be obvious. Vladimir Romanov wrote: > You updated your beta2 with beta3. Now

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Well... then we need someone, who is more professional, since AFAIK multiple postgresql's can be on one system in several slots. Maybe (as it is beta, slots are the same, therefore new deletes old and vice versa)? 2014-11-10 16:47 GMT+05:00 : > What it does then is delete the beta3 and give me on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > eudev is looking more attractive every day... but can it continue to > work and be supported if Lennart gets his way and upstream udev stops > working without systemd? > Well, there are no plans to make udev stop working without systemd as far

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
Well, I found the old binaries in my backups and did the deed, the only problems, was that the old data directory did not contain any .conf files, so I copied the new ones into the old data directory and it was then happy. I m not sure what happened to the .conf files in the old data directory, bu

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Well, i think i understand what happens (through i am not sure) - i was upgrading 9.3 to 9.4 - they're installed in different slots, so i just istalled two postgresql's in one time. You are upgrading 9.4 to 9.4 - so they are in one slot and can not be installed in one time. But then yes, one can't

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
Then they should not change the catalog version -- what is that, anyway? Vladimir Romanov wrote: > Well, i think i understand what happens (through i am not sure) - i was > upgrading 9.3 to 9.4 - they're installed in different slots, so i just > istalled two postgresql's in one time. You are upg

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/10/2014 06:04 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Hi. I have a puzzle regarding upgrading postgresql. In my recent world > update I went from 9.4_beta2 to beta3, but when I tried to start the > server, it complained that the databases were written with a different > "catalog version" -- what

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread covici
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/10/2014 06:04 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Hi. I have a puzzle regarding upgrading postgresql. In my recent world > > update I went from 9.4_beta2 to beta3, but when I tried to start the > > server, it complained that the databases were written with a dif

[gentoo-user] udev update

2014-11-10 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi, Checking the news (eselect news read), I see that an upgrade to udev-217 might break firmware loading, so the news tagged "2014-11-07-udev-upgrade" says that a kernel >= 3.7 should be configured to: CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=n Is it that simple? Trying a new kernel build using "menuconfi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 7:30 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > Well, there are no plans to make udev stop working without systemd as > far as I can tell. HOWEVER, there ARE plans to require using kdbus to > communicate with udev, and for that to work there needs to be a > userspace initialization of kdbus/etc. So

Re: [gentoo-user] udev update

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 8:21 AM, Francisco Ares wrote: > Checking the news (eselect news read), I see that an upgrade to udev-217 > might break firmware loading, so the news tagged > "2014-11-07-udev-upgrade" says that a kernel >= 3.7 should be configured to: > > CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=n > > Is it t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/10/2014 7:30 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Well, there are no plans to make udev stop working without systemd as >> far as I can tell. HOWEVER, there ARE plans to require using kdbus to >> communicate with udev, and for that to work there ne

Re: [gentoo-user] udev update

2014-11-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/10/2014 8:21 AM, Francisco Ares wrote: >> Checking the news (eselect news read), I see that an upgrade to udev-217 >> might break firmware loading, so the news tagged >> "2014-11-07-udev-upgrade" says that a kernel >= 3.7 should be configu

Re: [gentoo-user] udev update

2014-11-10 Thread Francisco Ares
2014-11-10 12:37 GMT-02:00 Rich Freeman : > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl > wrote: > > On 11/10/2014 8:21 AM, Francisco Ares wrote: > >> Checking the news (eselect news read), I see that an upgrade to udev-217 > >> might break firmware loading, so the news tagged > >> "2014-11-07-ud

Re: [gentoo-user] udev update

2014-11-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Francisco Ares wrote: > > So, if I understood something, I will probably have to check this > configuration entry every time I build a new kernel from now on, because > "menuconfig" will probably set this on because of its dependencies, is this > correct? > That

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/11/14 13:04, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/26/2014 1:04 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> On 25/09/14 22:03, James wrote: >>> I'd be better of with a fresh install of lilblue + musl + eudev >>> is what you are really saying here? >> that's the only usecase for eudev currently, yes, otherwise you hav

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 10:48 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > I wouldn't worry about it at all, there is no way *sys-fs/udev > ebuild* will ever need systemd. There might be a news item later, > with instructions on moving to something else, but that's not > something we are even planning at the moment, so sys

[gentoo-user] Anyone using Veeam to backup Gentoo VMs on vmware hosts?

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
Wondering if this is supported? Thanks

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using Veeam to backup Gentoo VMs on vmware hosts?

2014-11-10 Thread Jarry
On 10-Nov-14 18:06, Tanstaafl wrote: Wondering if this is supported? It is supported, but not on ESXi-hypervisor (free) anymore. AFAIK only Trilead VM-Explorer works on free-ESXi (and command line tools i.e. ghettoVCB). Jarry -- ___

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using Veeam to backup Gentoo VMs on vmware hosts?

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 1:21 PM, Jarry wrote: > On 10-Nov-14 18:06, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Wondering if this is supported? > > It is supported, but not on ESXi-hypervisor (free) anymore. > AFAIK only Trilead VM-Explorer works on free-ESXi (and command > line tools i.e. ghettoVCB). Cool, thanks (we have the p

[gentoo-user] Re: gcc 4.7.3 --> 4.8.3

2014-11-10 Thread James
Peter Humphrey prh.myzen.co.uk> writes: > > You should be able to just switch to 4.8 without rebuilding anything. > > That's what I did. Of course it can't hurt to rebuild everything, but > > you can schedule that for later (like an overnight rebuild of world > > with --keep-going). It's not c

Re: [gentoo-user] udev update

2014-11-10 Thread Francisco Ares
2014-11-10 13:42 GMT-02:00 Rich Freeman : > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Francisco Ares wrote: > > > > So, if I understood something, I will probably have to check this > > configuration entry every time I build a new kernel from now on, because > > "menuconfig" will probably set this on bec

[gentoo-user] Re: udev update

2014-11-10 Thread James
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes: > Of course, nothing prevents anybody from creating a preconfigured > kernel for Gentoo. There is genkernel of course, though I think we > probably could do better. Most seem to be happy just managing their > own kernel configurations, and I think that is why n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gcc 4.7.3 --> 4.8.3

2014-11-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:52:09 + (UTC), James wrote: > > I'd have thought you needed to emerge -e world if you really want to > > be protected. > > Yea, maybe. I read the man page on emptytree. I get it actually replaces > by a "reinstall". Does this do more than if I just reboot after > >

[gentoo-user] qwinff: an excellent qt gui front-end for ffmpeg

2014-11-10 Thread walt
I heard about qwinff in a linux podcast and I'm happy I decided to try it. It's not in portage or layman, but installing it is so trivial I'll describe how I did it: Download the source file here: https://github.com/qwinff/qwinff/ by clicking the "Download ZIP" button on the right side of the web

[gentoo-user] Re: qwinff: an excellent qt gui front-end for ffmpeg

2014-11-10 Thread James
walt gmail.com> writes: > I heard about qwinff in a linux podcast and I'm happy I decided to try it. > > It's not in portage or layman, but installing it is so trivial > I'll describe how I did it: Well, if I can figure out how to "hack" together simple ebuilds, so can you (if you dont know a

[gentoo-user] glibc-2.20 and intel microcode

2014-11-10 Thread microcai
I've finnally detected the root cause of glibc-2.20 broken my system: glibc-2.20 start using TLX instruction which is disabled by microcode update. disabling microcode update brings my system back to live! so, there is either a bug in CPU , nor glibc has borken CPU feature detection.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 05:48:49PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote > I wouldn't worry about it at all, there is no way *sys-fs/udev ebuild* > will ever need systemd. There might be a news item later, with > instructions on moving to something else, but that's not something we > are even planning at t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 11/11/14 07:20, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 05:48:49PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote > >> I wouldn't worry about it at all, there is no way *sys-fs/udev ebuild* >> will ever need systemd. There might be a news item later, with >> instructions on moving to something else, but tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev (viable) alternatives ?

2014-11-10 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 05:48:49PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote > >> I wouldn't worry about it at all, there is no way *sys-fs/udev ebuild* >> will ever need systemd. There might be a news item later, with >> instructions on moving to somethin

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.20 and intel microcode

2014-11-10 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 11/11/14 05:49, micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > I've finnally detected the root cause of glibc-2.20 broken my system: > glibc-2.20 start using TLX instruction which is disabled by microcode update. > > disabling microcode update brings my system back to live! > > so, there is either a bug

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gcc 4.7.3 --> 4.8.3

2014-11-10 Thread Tomas Mozes
On 2014-11-10 23:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:52:09 + (UTC), James wrote: > I'd have thought you needed to emerge -e world if you really want to > be protected. Yea, maybe. I read the man page on emptytree. I get it actually replaces by a "reinstall". Does this do mo

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread Mick
On Monday 10 Nov 2014 13:16:25 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 11/10/2014 06:04 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > Hi. I have a puzzle regarding upgrading postgresql. In my recent > > > world update I went from 9.4_beta2 to beta3, but when I tried to start > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] how to upgrade postgresql under gentoo

2014-11-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday, November 10, 2014 08:06:50 AM cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Then they should not change the catalog version -- what is that, anyway? You are using a Beta-version. Those are under development and NOT suited for production. If you use a beta-version of any software package, you run the