On 11/10/2014 7:30 AM, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > Well, there are no plans to make udev stop working without systemd as > far as I can tell. HOWEVER, there ARE plans to require using kdbus to > communicate with udev, and for that to work there needs to be a > userspace initialization of kdbus/etc.
So... you're saying I'm mis-reading this: > Unless the systemd-haters prepare another kdbus userspace until then > this will effectively also mean that we will not support non-systemd > systems with udev anymore starting at that point. Gentoo folks, this > is your wakeup call. and that it doesn't mean that "udev will stop working without systemd", or, as Lennart said, "... we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore staryting at that point (when udev is moved onto kdbus as transport)? Or... maybe eudev (or mdev, or both) could or would have to be [re]written so as to be fulfill the 'kdbus userspace' role Lennart mentions above? Being 'not a dev' (or programmer at all), I guess it is entirely possible it isn't as bad as it sounds, but his "Gentoo folks, this is your wake-up call." comment is what really stands out to me, as a gentoo user. I don't care about dbus/kdbus - if it is in the kernel, and under Linus' control, and I need to enable it to use my systems, that is fine with me. What I want is to always have the option - a *stable* option - to not have to install/use systemd if I don't want to.
