Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:44:19 -0800, ny6...@gmail.com wrote: > It doesn't hurt that the webspace is > filled with people like yourself who have hands on knowledge about how > to do stuff, and are willing to share it with others minus the 'tude' > you see elsewhere. Now you really have insulted Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:29:47 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are > > interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would > > be the most sane thing to do IMO). > > please do. Please please pretty please. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. > > Also, and much easier to read, in an HTML file downloaded from the grub > site. Not if you use KDE :P -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 43: Genuine imit

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:11:57 + (UTC), James wrote: > I went from duo core AMD systems to FX-8350 with 32 gigs of ram. > My bigest adversion/experience with KDE is this. The "genius" that > runs that project, could have developed all of those wonderful ideas, > but left them "turned off by defa

[gentoo-user] keyword a whole overlay as ~arch [SOLVED]

2014-01-27 Thread Thanasis
on 01/27/2014 03:14 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote the following: > On 01/26/2014 05:12 PM, Thanasis wrote: >> I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64"). >> In order to install the "mate" desktop I need to install the mate >> overlay and keyword all its packages as ~amd64. >> Is there a way to do

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub > > > > #GRUB_TERMINAL=console > > Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I need to find > out what that definition translates to. I'm searching now... Just run grob-mkconfig

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to keyword a whole overlay as ~arch ?

2014-01-27 Thread Thanasis
on 01/27/2014 12:38 AM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: > On 27/01/2014 00:12, Thanasis wrote: >> I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64"). >> In order to install the "mate" desktop I need to install the mate >> overlay and keyword all its packages as ~amd64. >> Is there a way to do it eas

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to keyword a whole overlay as ~arch ?

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 11:45, Thanasis wrote: > on 01/27/2014 12:38 AM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: >> On 27/01/2014 00:12, Thanasis wrote: >>> I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64"). >>> In order to install the "mate" desktop I need to install the mate >>> overlay and keyword all its package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: >> Starting with USE="-*" on a server (which is a sane thing to do) >> has become a lot more difficult as well. > > No, starting with USE="-*" is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell wrote: So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would be the most sane thing to do IMO). ? If the problem is really this potentially serious, why start from scratch, when

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 01/26/2014 08:55:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Again, I think I'm just lucky. I don't think it's luck. A portage system likes to be updated very often (best: each day). I have made the experience that updating a machine which hasn't been updated for a long time (say one year), is just pain.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell wrote: >> So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are >> interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would >> be the most sane thing to do IMO). > > ? > > If the problem is really t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/2014 02:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell wrote: >>> So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs >>> are interested in starting from scratch or picking up

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. > > > > Also, and much easier to read, in an HTML file downloaded from the grub > > site. > > Not if you use KD

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 21:42:54 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 I wrote: > > On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 20:13:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub > > > > > > #GRUB_TERMINAL=console > > > > Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 18:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. >>> >>> Also, and much easier to read, in an HTML file downloaded fr

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:40:44 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub > > > > > > #GRUB_TERMINAL=console > > > > Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I need to find > > out what that definiti

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 27 Jan 2014 18:07:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 27/01/2014 18:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. > >>> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 I wrote: >> On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 20:13:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: >> > Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub >> > >> > #GRUB_TERMINAL=console >> >> Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I need

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 18:19, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 27 Jan 2014 18:07:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 27/01/2014 18:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> The variables you can set in h

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:19:53 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Entering info:// as a URL in konqueror gives a page with all info ages > > on the system listed. > > > > info:/ opens that one directly > > That explains it then. I can't remember the last time I used Konqueror > for anything. And o

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote: > If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is > worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there. That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a different language using different algorithms. It's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
On 01/27/2014 10:48 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote: > >> If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis >> is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete >> there. > > That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 27.01.2014 13:06, schrieb Helmut Jarausch: > On 01/26/2014 08:55:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Again, I think I'm just lucky. > > I don't think it's luck. > A portage system likes to be updated very often (best: each day). > I have made the experience that updating a machine which hasn't been

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg Configuration Acer Aspire One

2014-01-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:16:00 +0100 Silvio Siefke wrote: > Hello, > > i have a Acer Aspire One D255 and has trouble with the Window > Settings here special in xfburn. > > http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2014-January/032974.html > > A Answer there think it's because the xorg.conf is not cor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote: > >> If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis > >> is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete > >> there. > > > > That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a different > > language using di

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
On 01/27/2014 11:57 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote: > If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there. >>> >>> That makes no sense at all. Paludis

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 05:26:19PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: > > Starting with USE="-*" on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has > > become a lot more difficult as well. > > No, starting with USE="-*" is very dangerous. It is not re

[gentoo-user] Python Installation broken

2014-01-27 Thread Silvio Siefke
Hello, i has make a big mistake i think. I has installed nikola with pip install but it want not work. So i downgrade to fewer version of nikola over portage. Not want work give error message from setuptools. Ok delete nikola, retext and setuptools. I run a emerge --depclean. I try equery u nikol

Re: [gentoo-user] xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 04:52:22PM +, James wrote > So, as a old fart, I got tired of KDE and never really liked gnome. > I have found new life in LXDE; spartan, but learning and document > how things work on gentoo, is hopefully something I have to only > do once. I went all the way to ICE

Re: [gentoo-user] Python Installation broken

2014-01-27 Thread Silvio Siefke
Hello, the error message was not correct copy & paste. Im in crisis :) gentoomobile ~ # equery u nikola Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/equery", line 5, in from pkg_resources import load_entry_point File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 3011, in

Re: [gentoo-user] How to convert and watch dav video file?

2014-01-27 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/16/2014 09:01 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Incidentally, there's nothing bad about installing that package's > version. It's masked because it's in the source repo (all > cvs/svn/git/etc sources are always masked so they don't get installed >

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
James wrote: > > I have my lxde/openbox environment mostly setup. One thing I miss > is feature rich tabbed terminal session. I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely. My default zsh login

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > you know - I don't give a rat's ass about 'pig' or not, because: > I have enough ram. Ram is cheap. 16gb of DDR 1600 ECC costs what? 160€? > Cheap. What kind of argument is this? I do not consider it cheap to spend 160 bucks only to waste them for nothing. *If* I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 01:20:59 + (UTC), Martin Vaeth wrote: > I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to > multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or > access it remotely Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When working with

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
hasufell wrote: > > On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote: >> >> No, starting with USE="-*" is very dangerous. > > That's nonsense imo No, William is completely right. > and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any issues. No one doubts that it is *possible* to add the cor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:35:24 +0100, hasufell wrote: > > But the efficiency of the algorithm, and the language, affects the > > speed. You can't presume "it does more, therefore it takes longer" if > > the two programs do things in very different ways. > For people who are used to portage, paludis

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Walter Dnes wrote: > USE="-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER}" > > If you want to look at it that way, what I've > really done is to replace the default USE flag set with my own defaults ... *including* the defaults specified in individual ebuilds. About the default flags in profiles one may argue, but the

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >> If the problem is really this potentially serious, why start from >> scratch, when Paludis is already very mature? Is it pure politics >> (someone just doesn't like Ciaran)? > > No-one likes to admit it, but I think there's some NI

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to >> multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or >> access it remotely > > Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When > working with multiple SSH sessions to diffe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
On 01/28/2014 02:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > hasufell wrote: >> >> On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> >>> No, starting with USE="-*" is very dangerous. >> >> That's nonsense imo > > No, William is completely right. > >> and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 01:42:22AM +, Martin Vaeth wrote > Walter Dnes wrote: > > USE="-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER}" > > > > If you want to look at it that way, what I've > > really done is to replace the default USE flag set with my own defaults > > ... *including* the defaults specified in indi