Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was > continually faced with youngsters' ideas for improving the company's > methods. Stupid, every one. When challenged, they couldn't say how > their proposed new "solutions" woul

[gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement (was: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?)

Am Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey : > On Wednesday 05 October 2011 17:47:21 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > sometimes things indeed need to change in order to improve. > > I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was > continually faced with youngsters' ideas f

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:12:37 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was > > continually faced with youngsters' ideas for improving the company's > > methods. Stupid, every one. When chal

[gentoo-user] Re: Android 2.2 USB tethering?

Nilesh Govindarajan nileshgr.com> writes: > But still not configured, kernel logs say "[134356.331426] usb 1-4: bad > CDC descriptors" > Any clue about this? I guess the device is at fault? Just a shot in the dark, but have you considered googling for a udev rule for your device? http://andro

[gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

Grant Edwards writes: > I've only used it on Ubuntu, and maybe it's just Ubuntu's > implementation -- but it was both complicated and difficult. There > are 10X as many files, and to change anything you edit a whole set of > configuration files and run a utility that generates _another_ set of >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

Ugh Guess if Gentoo ever removes Grub1 I'll have to switch to Lilo or something else - I loathe complicated, especially when there is no good reason... On 2011-10-06 8:51 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: Grant Edwards writes: I've only used it on Ubuntu, and maybe it's just Ubuntu's implement

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Well the only constant is change, right? It is now that c is in doubt :) > The trick is to spot the difference between change for the sake of > change and change that does make sense. This usually means getting > inside someone's head, wh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:51:04 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > /boot/grub/grub.cfg itself is 111 lines. Its not the most complex > script going but for me it would take some serious study for an hour > or more to figure out what is happening in it. But of course you are > not supposed to edit grub.cf

[gentoo-user] Rootkit?

One of the servers I manage has a strange problem. Every 24h, someone starts a process shows up as perl in the list, but launching command is /usr/sbin/httpd. It shows just one process, but when I run something like this: ps -C perl -o cmd,pid I get some 5-6 processes alternatively with cmd as /

Re: [gentoo-user] Rootkit?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > One of the servers I manage has a strange problem. > > Every 24h, someone starts a process shows up as perl in the list, but > launching command is /usr/sbin/httpd. > It shows just one process, but when I run something like this: > > ps

Re: [gentoo-user] Rootkit?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan > wrote: >> One of the servers I manage has a strange problem. >> >> Every 24h, someone starts a process shows up as perl in the list, but >> launching command is /usr/sbin/httpd. >> It show

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:47:26 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Well the only constant is change, right? > > It is now that c is in doubt :) ooo! wicked pun! Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? > > The trick is to sp

Re: [gentoo-user] Rootkit?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > /usr/sbin/httpd I think this is what apache version 1 used. Did the server upgrade from apache1 to apache2 at some point? Maybe there's some leftover things from the old days that is for apache1.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:47:26 +0100 > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> > Well the only constant is change, right? >> >> It is now that c is in doubt :) > > ooo! wicked pun! > > Let's

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:25:04 -0400 Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:47:26 +0100 > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> > >> > Well the only constant is change, right? > >> >

[gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit?

Nilesh Govindarajan writes: > One of the servers I manage has a strange problem. > > Every 24h, someone starts a process shows up as perl in the list, but > launching command is /usr/sbin/httpd. > It shows just one process, but when I run something like this: > > ps -C perl -o cmd,pid > > I get so

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:25:04 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > > Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? > > It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) You're right, c isn't in doubt :P -- Neil Bothwick Minds are like parachutes; they only function when fully op

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: >> Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? > > It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) And even if the results a true and not an error then there is a list of possible explanations. Most of them leave c as upper limi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit?

On Thu 06 Oct 2011 09:06:06 PM IST, Alberto Luaces wrote: > Nilesh Govindarajan writes: > >> One of the servers I manage has a strange problem. >> >> Every 24h, someone starts a process shows up as perl in the list, but >> launching command is /usr/sbin/httpd. >> It shows just one process, but when

Re: [gentoo-user] weird sound error in kde4

I'll give that a try, thanks! On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 19:08, Dale wrote: > Doug Hunley wrote: >> >> Whenever I launch kde (from startx) I get a message saying that 'sb >> Live! 5.1 [SB0060] (rev.7, serial:0x80611102)' is disabled and it is >> falling back to 'sb Live! 5.1 [SB0060]' . and then

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit?

On Oct 6, 2011 12:57 PM, "Nilesh Govindarajan" wrote: > > On Thu 06 Oct 2011 09:06:06 PM IST, Alberto Luaces wrote: > > Nilesh Govindarajan writes: > > > >> One of the servers I manage has a strange problem. > >> > >> Every 24h, someone starts a process shows up as perl in the list, but > >> launc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit?

On Thu 06 Oct 2011 10:32:14 PM IST, Michael Mol wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2011 12:57 PM, "Nilesh Govindarajan" > wrote: > > > > On Thu 06 Oct 2011 09:06:06 PM IST, Alberto Luaces wrote: > > > Nilesh Govindarajan writes: > > > > > >> One of the servers I manage has a strange

[gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

Neil Bothwick writes: >> Also, its not clear how one would install a new kernel. Where to put >> the information and so forth. > > See above. You don't put anything anywhere when installing a new kernel, > just run grub-update and it will be found and added to the menu. At the > same time, any o

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:48:08 -0500 Harry Putnam wrote: > Neil Bothwick writes: > > >> Also, its not clear how one would install a new kernel. Where to > >> put the information and so forth. > > > > See above. You don't put anything anywhere when installing a new > > kernel, just run grub-updat

[gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

Hi, In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I power disk off when not needed (and "on" again when needed) in order to save a little power and prolong its life?

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being > used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with > passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it again and > the process will repeat. > But if s

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jarry wrote: > Hi, > > In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, > but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only > for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I > power disk off when not needed (and "on" again when neede

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

Jarry writes: > In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, > but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only > for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I > power disk off when not needed (and "on" again when needed) > in order to save a little power and

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Jarry wrote: > Hi, > > In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, > but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only > for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I > power disk off when not needed (and "on" again when needed

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

Jarry wrote: Hi, In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I power disk off when not needed (and "on" again when needed) in order to save a little power and prol

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it again and the process will repe

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Jarry wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, >> but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only >> for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Paul, >   Would hdparm be advisable if the drive was part of a RAID? I suspect not. > >   I don't think this applies to the OP but for the sake of discussion > why not include RAID as part of the solution, if possible. I use hdparm to set power

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Paul, >>   Would hdparm be advisable if the drive was part of a RAID? I suspect not. >> >>   I don't think this applies to the OP but for the sake of discussion >> why not include RAID as p

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > >> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being > >> used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with > >> passion for a week and then

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Hartman > My worry was that if the mdraid daemon saw one drive gone - either > when starting to spin down or when one spins up slowly - and if mdraid > didn't understand that all this stuff was taking place i

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:21:10 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?: > My worry was that if the mdraid daemon saw one drive gone - either > when starting to spin down or when one spins up slowly - and if mdraid > didn't understand that all this stuff was taking p

[gentoo-user] portage wants to remove less and nano

Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. app-editors/nano selected: 2.2.5 protected: none omitted: none !!! 'sys-apps/less' (virtual/pager) is part o

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Hartman > wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> Paul, >>>   Would hdparm be advisable if the drive was part of a RAID? I suspect not. >>> >>>   I don't think this applies to the O

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:31 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:21:10 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?: > >> My worry was that if the mdraid daemon saw one drive gone - either >> when starting to spin down or when one spins up slowly - and if

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not > > being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it > > with passion for a week and then you won

Re: [gentoo-user] portage wants to remove less and nano

Niccolò Belli writes: > Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: > > !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. > > > !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. This is somewhat surprising, but intended and correct, it has been discussed here some months ag

Re: [gentoo-user] portage wants to remove less and nano

Am 06.10.2011 22:47, schrieb Niccolò Belli: > Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: > > !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. > > !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. > [...] Yes, that is a known issue. Just add nano and less to @world with emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] portage wants to remove less and nano

2011/10/6 Niccolò Belli : > Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: > > !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. > > !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. > To see your default editor and pager; eselect editor list && eselect pager list Then to set; eselect

[gentoo-user] Re: portage wants to remove less and nano

On 10/07/2011 12:02 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: Niccolò Belli writes: Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. This is somewhat surprising, but intended and correct, it has

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On 10/06/2011 05:00 PM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 > schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > >> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >>> >>> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not >>> being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll h

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Either way is going to require a non-zero amount of work, while zero is > the amount of work I would prefer to do. Words to live by. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: portage wants to remove less and nano

On Friday, 7. October 2011 00:15:23 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 10/07/2011 12:02 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: > > Niccolò Belli writes: > >> Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: > >> > >> !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system > >> profile. > >> > >> > >> !!! Unmerging i

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 10/06/2011 05:00 PM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 >> schrieb Michael Orlitzky : >> >>> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:23:32 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > > nothing forces you to switch to grub2. > > > > True in theory, but not in practice. the purpose of theory is to predict what happens in practice. if it does't, the theory is wrong. >Legacy grub will go away > eventually. >If

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Thursday 06 October 2011 17:40:33 Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: > >> Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? > > > > It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) > > And even if the results a true and not an error then ther

Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

On Oct 6, 2011 8:10 PM, "Peter Humphrey" wrote: > > On Thursday 06 October 2011 17:40:33 Sebastian Beßler wrote: > > > Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: > > > >> Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? > > > > > > > > It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limi

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > >> If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, > > why would you do that? Eventually, grub2 will be all that's available from portage. At that point, I can either, 1) Install grub2 on some machines. 2) Maintain grub-legacy (and install media)

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Hartman >> My worry was that if the mdraid daemon saw one drive gone - either >> when starting to spin down or when one spins up slowly - and if mdraid >

Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?

On Oct 6, 2011 9:06 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Hartman > >> My worry was that if the mdraid daemon saw one drive gone - either > >> when starting

[gentoo-user] Re: How can I power disk off?

On 2011-10-06, Jarry wrote: > Hi, > > In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, > but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only > for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I > power disk off when not needed (and "on" again when needed) > in order to s

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

On 2011-10-06, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky > : > >> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> >>> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not >>> being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it >>

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

On 2011-10-06, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:23:32 -0400 > schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > >> > nothing forces you to switch to grub2. >> > >> >> True in theory, but not in practice. > > the purpose of theory is to predict what happens in practice. if it > does't, the theory is wr

Re: [gentoo-user] portage wants to remove less and nano

David Abbott wrote: 2011/10/6 Niccolò Belli: Here is after an emerge -av --depclean: !!! 'app-editors/nano' (virtual/editor) is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. To see your default editor and pager; eselect editor list&& eselect pager list Then t

Re: [gentoo-user] portage wants to remove less and nano

On 10/06/2011 10:06 PM, Dale wrote: > > One would think that if it is the selected and only one installed, it > wouldn't try to remove it. Isn't this what virtuals are for? Portage > needs one pager from the following list and as long as one is installed, > portage is happy and doesn't try to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How can I power disk off?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2011-10-06, Jarry wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In my server I have a few disks which must be running 24/7, >> but I also have a single big hard-drive, which is used only >> for a few minutes every day, just for backups. How could I >> power disk of

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

Mick wrote: On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with passion for a week and then you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-10-06, Jonas de Buhr wrote: don't get me started, the suppressed memories about HAL-config or broken suse-10 usermount may come back ;) HAL... shudder. Let's not get started on hal. Pardon me while I go pray to the porcelain gods. :/ Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

On Oct 6, 2011 11:21 PM, "Dale" wrote: > > Mick wrote: >> >> On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: >>> >>> Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being > used to it. flip

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

On Oct 6, 2011 11:34 PM, "Dale" wrote: > > Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> On 2011-10-06, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> >>> don't get me started, the suppressed memories about HAL-config or >>> broken suse-10 usermount may come back ;) >> >> HAL... shudder. >> > > Let's not get started on hal. Pardon me wh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

On 10/06/2011 11:39 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > >>> HAL... shudder. >>> >> >> Let's not get started on hal. Pardon me while I go pray to the > porcelain gods. :/ > > I'm really sorry, but I missed that show. I was in Ubuntu-land learning > not to tweak system behaviors. WTF was the deal with HAL?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

On Oct 7, 2011 12:44 AM, "Michael Orlitzky" wrote: > > On 10/06/2011 11:39 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > > >>> HAL... shudder. > >>> > >> > >> Let's not get started on hal. Pardon me while I go pray to the > > porcelain gods. :/ > > > > I'm really sorry, but I missed that show. I was in Ubuntu-land

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2011 11:34 PM, "Dale" wrote: >> >> Grant Edwards wrote: >>> >>> On 2011-10-06, Jonas de Buhr  wrote: >>> don't get me started, the suppressed memories about HAL-config or broken suse-10 usermount may come back ;) >>> >>> H