Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --autounmask-write: specify file

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:22:05 -0500, Dale wrote: Wouldn't this be like putting package.* back to a file instead of a directory tho? That would seem like one step forward and two steps back. Maybe I am missing something again. I sort of got some "issues" going on aroun

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 23:16:21 Dale wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 July 2011 15:41:13 Dale wrote:> > > update your fucking drivers.> > > Seriously, no userspace app does something like this. The driver is > > broken, KDE touches the broken part and BOOM.> > > Don't blam

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --autounmask-write: specify file

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:52:05 -0500, Dale wrote: > > No, the discussion is about the name of the file in package.unmask. if > > that is a file there is no issue. The problem is that portage just > > picks a file from that directory, it should either have its own file > > in there or add the entries

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:19:00 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: > > When you quit the GUI, the settings are supposed to be saved to > > ~/.nvidia-settings-rc and loaded from there when you load the GUI. > > The -l switch tells nvidia-settings to load the settings from that > > file and quit, so it should d

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Tuesday 05 July 2011 23:16:21 Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Tuesday 05 July 2011 15:41:13 Dale wrote:> update your fucking drivers.> Seriously, no userspace app does something like this. The driver is broken, KDE touches the broken part and

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:27:21 -0500, Dale wrote: But again, it didn't lock up until AFTER I had a power failure. That was when all this started. If I hadn't had the power failure, I may not have had the lock ups to begin with. The root of this problem is what I am hop

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --autounmask-write: specify file

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:22:05 -0500, Dale wrote: > Wouldn't this be like putting package.* back to a file instead of a > directory tho? That would seem like one step forward and two steps > back. Maybe I am missing something again. I sort of got some "issues" > going on around here. :/ No,

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 03:52:54 Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: > On Tuesday 05 July 2011 15:41:13 Dale wrote: > > update your fucking drivers. Upset with nVidia perhaps? > Seriously, no userspace app does something like this. The driver is > broken, KDE touches the broken part and BO

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:27:21 -0500, Dale wrote: > But again, it didn't lock up until AFTER I had a power failure. That > was when all this started. If I hadn't had the power failure, I may > not have had the lock ups to begin with. The root of this problem is > what I am hoping to find. It so

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:27:21 -0500, Dale wrote: But again, it didn't lock up until AFTER I had a power failure. That was when all this started. If I hadn't had the power failure, I may not have had the lock ups to begin with. The root of this problem is what

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Urs Schutz
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 03:53:23 -0500 Dale wrote: snipped > >> > > This is what I got: > > > > root@fireball / # qcheck -aBT > > app-office/openoffice > > sys-auth/consolekit > > sys-auth/polkit > > net-nds/openldap > > app-misc/screen > > net-print/cups > > net-print/hplip > > sys-apps/dbus > > sy

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 03:08:03 -0500, Dale wrote: > > It sounds like you need to start with qcheck -aBT and trawl through > > the output, re-emerging anything questionable. > This is what I got: > > root@fireball / # qcheck -aBT > app-office/openoffice > sys-auth/consolekit > sys-auth/polkit > net

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:36:40 +0100, Peter Ruskin wrote: > > It sounds like you need to start with qcheck -aBT and trawl > > through the output, re-emerging anything questionable. > > I don't think I trust the output of that: > > # qcheck -aBT [big snip] It produces false positives and you need

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2011 10:51:20 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:36:40 +0100, Peter Ruskin wrote: > > > It sounds like you need to start with qcheck -aBT and trawl > > > through the output, re-emerging anything questionable. > > > > I don't think I trust the output of that: > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2011-07-06 3:27 AM, Dale wrote: > But again, it didn't lock up until AFTER I had a power failure. That > was when all this started. If I hadn't had the power failure, I may > not have had the lock ups to begin with. The root of this problem is > what I am hoping to find. More than once I have

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:37:54 +0100, Mick wrote: > > It produces false positives and you need to look at the output for > > each affected package, but do you know a better way of detecting > > corruption of installed files? > > I wasn't familiar with qcheck (yes, I know, I lead a sheltered life!)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 01:03:03 Dale wrote: > I might add, the last time it locked up, I had a compile process running > in a console. I watched the hard drive light, it was blinking away. > So, the root of the system was running but for some reason, I could not > get my mouse or keyboard to w

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday 06 July 2011 01:03:03 Dale wrote: > >> I might add, the last time it locked up, I had a compile process running >> in a console.  I watched the hard drive light, it was blinking away. >> So, the root of the system was running but

[gentoo-user] Xfce4 shutdown issues

2011-07-06 Thread john
Oops apologies. Should send this on gentoo-user email address. Since a recent upgrade of polkit (I think) as a normal user I can no longer shutdown using log out, shutdown option not available. As root using shutdown only logs you out but does not shutdown. On a second machine as a normal user

[gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Is there a secret plan in place to keep users from being able to use Gtk 2 in packages that support both Gtk 2 and 3? And if yes, why? Is the user considered too stupid to grasp the awesomeness of Gtk 3 so that the devs have to force the choice upon them? I'm talking about this: http://bu

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread pk
On 2011-07-06 18:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > And what is happening to the developers lately? Some of them have > become hostile and arrogant against their own users. I noted the same from the same guy a while back. Really "grumpy" and you can't argue with him either... But then again, there's

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 19:35:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Is there a secret plan in place to keep users from being able to use Gtk2 in packages that support both Gtk 2 and 3? And if yes, why? Is theuser considered too stupid to grasp the awesomeness of Gtk 3 so that thedevs have to force t

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Time for hardware upgrade(s)

2011-07-06 Thread Grant
>> Yes, since a htpc doesn't need a powerful cpu (or a powerful gpu) > > My learned-this-the-hard-way advice: while this is generally true, if > you ever come across a 720 or 1080p video that doesn't use a > hardware-accelerated codec, you would rather the HTPC not sound like > it's about to launch

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Time for hardware upgrade(s)

2011-07-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 11:54:29 Grant wrote: > >> Yes, since a htpc doesn't need a powerful cpu (or a powerful gpu)> > > My learned-this-the-hard-way advice: while this is generally true, if> you ever come across a 720 or 1080p video that doesn't use a> hardware-accelerated codec, you would r

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Time for hardware upgrade(s)

2011-07-06 Thread Grant
>> >> Yes, since a htpc doesn't need a powerful cpu (or a powerful gpu)> >> > My learned-this-the-hard-way advice: while this is generally true, if> you > ever come across a 720 or 1080p video that doesn't use a> hardware-accelerated > codec, you would rather the HTPC not sound like> it's about to

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --autounmask-write: specify file

2011-07-06 Thread Gian Calgeer
On 05.07.2011 17:58, Dale wrote: I was using autounmask to do this and it does just like you want. However, the last time I used autounmask, it was different. You may want to try that tho to see if it helps in some way. The feature with emerge picks the first file I think in the directory.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Dale, random hard-lockups are only due to hardware or kerne, it can't be otherwisel (drivers count as part of kernel). The fact that compilation doesn't lock your system only means that the thing (whatever it is) is not bount to intensive I/O operations and/or hig

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Managing multiple Gentoo systems

2011-07-06 Thread Grant
>> After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've decided to >> stick with Gentoo routers.  This increases the number of Gentoo >> systems I'm responsible for and they're nearing double-digits.  What >> can be done to make the management of multiple Gentoo systems easier? >> I think id

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 19:23:51 pk did opine thusly: > On 2011-07-06 18:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > And what is happening to the developers lately? Some of them > > have become hostile and arrogant against their own users. > > I noted the same from the same guy a while back. Really "grump

Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple Gentoo systems

2011-07-06 Thread Grant
>> After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've decided to >> stick with Gentoo routers. > > Out of curiosity, could you tell us more about this experience? Sure, I was using the stock firmware and I didn't like that you couldn't specify a source IP address when punching a hole in t

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Dale wrote: > Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >> >> Dale, random hard-lockups are only due to hardware or kerne, it can't >> be otherwisel (drivers count as part of kernel). The fact that >> compilation doesn't lock your system only means that the thing >> (whatev

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread pk
On 2011-07-06 21:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Holy shit, that attitude from Samuli sucks big balls big time. Yes, fully agree. > He's always come across to me as an OK dev, never seen him pull THAT > stunt before. I've seen it, although he does come across as an OK dev to me as well. He can argu

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2011 12:38:22 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:37:54 +0100, Mick wrote: > > > It produces false positives and you need to look at the output for > > > each affected package, but do you know a better way of detecting > > > corruption of installed files? > > > > I was

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 22:02:03 pk did opine thusly: > > Devs get a certain amount of leeway and tolerance from users > > because of what they do as volunteers. But there's a line > > somewhere and in my view arbitrarily deciding to obsolete a > > toolkit just because you feel > > Yes, but wha

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: If I had to guess I'd say, since this followed a power failure where the machine was live and operating (if I've understood the thread through a quick scan) that some file on disk has gotten corrupted and it's that corruption that's causing the problem. You've checked memory.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 22:41:25 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wednesday 06 July 2011 22:02:03 pk did opine thusly: > > > Devs get a certain amount of leeway and tolerance from users> > because of what they do as volunteers. But there's a line> > somewhere and in my view arbitrarily deciding to ob

[gentoo-user] Re: output of emerge -v emacs-vcs (not the masking something else)

2011-07-06 Thread walt
On 07/03/2011 03:07 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > I'm getting output from emerge -v emacs-vcs like this: > > > * ERROR: app-editors/emacs-vcs-24.0.-r1 failed (unpack phase): > * bzr.eclass: can't pull from bzr://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk/ > > I tried > bzr branch bzr://bzr.savannah

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and/or take the whole mess to -dev... I couldn't care less about gtk stuff - but forcing gtk3 just because - and that on a package where gtk3 is the worse choice... not a smart move. This sounds like the move KDE made with KDE4. I have some gtk stuff on here

[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 07/07/2011 02:06 AM, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and/or take the whole mess to -dev... I couldn't care less about gtk stuff - but forcing gtk3 just because - and that on a package where gtk3 is the worse choice... not a smart move. This sounds like the move KDE made with KDE4

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 07 July 2011 00:06:31 Dale wrote: > Deja vu ? That spelled right? Yep (give or take the odd accent). -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> If I had to guess I'd say, since this followed a power failure where >> the machine was live and operating (if I've understood the thread >> through a quick scan) that some file on disk has gotten corrupted and >> it's that cor

[gentoo-user] Lexmark X5650 working in Gentoo Linux?

2011-07-06 Thread Carlos Sura
Hello, I've been looking how to get working this printer in my gentoo-b0x, searched in gentoo wiki, but those ebuilds and links are not updated, they are a little bit old and none of that worked for me. I was thinking if there was any chance if anyone of you have this printer installed to tell me

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread 微菜
Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them unless you pay them. Want gtk2 support? Put your ebuild in your personal overlay. On 2011年07月07日 00:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Is there a secret plan in place to keep users from being able to use Gtk > 2 in packages that suppor

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: If I had to guess I'd say, since this followed a power failure where the machine was live and operating (if I've understood the thread through a quick scan) that some file on disk has gotten corrupted a

[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 07/07/2011 05:12 AM, 微菜 wrote: Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them unless you pay them. Who died and made *them* kings? Here's what gentoo.org claims: "Gentoo is a free operating system based on either Linux or FreeBSD that can be automatically optimized and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 07/07/2011 02:06 AM, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and/or take the whole mess to -dev... I couldn't care less about gtk stuff - but forcing gtk3 just because - and that on a package where gtk3 is the worse choice... not a smart move. This sounds like t

[gentoo-user] {OT} Wireless KVM, but just V?

2011-07-06 Thread Grant
Does a device exist that will allow you to send the video signal from a Gentoo system wirelessly across the room to a monitor? Should I just get a wireless KVM unit and not use the KM? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Let me add some more confusion. I'm in KDE right now. I took the sides off and blew out a VERY little bit of dust and replugged things, video card, mobo power cables and such as that. I also booted to the newly created .kde directory instead of my old one. This is the old ins

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it?

2011-07-06 Thread 微菜
On 2011年07月07日 10:45, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/07/2011 05:12 AM, 微菜 wrote: >> Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them unless >> you pay them. > > Who died and made *them* kings? Here's what gentoo.org claims: They have commit rights, that's why they think they a

[gentoo-user] Re: output of emerge -v emacs-vcs (not the masking something else)

2011-07-06 Thread Harry Putnam
walt writes: > On 07/03/2011 03:07 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: >> I'm getting output from emerge -v emacs-vcs like this: >> >> >> * ERROR: app-editors/emacs-vcs-24.0.-r1 failed (unpack phase): >> * bzr.eclass: can't pull from bzr://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/trunk/ >> >> I tried >> bzr

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Let me add some more confusion. I'm in KDE right now. I took the sides off and blew out a VERY little bit of dust and replugged things, video card, mobo power cables and such as that. I also booted to the newly created .kde directory instead of my old one. This i

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Wireless KVM, but just V?

2011-07-06 Thread William Kenworthy
Like http://www.connectivity.avocent.com/solutions/wirelessav.asp? Google! BillK On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:08 -0700, Grant wrote: > Does a device exist that will allow you to send the video signal from > a Gentoo system wirelessly across the room to a monitor? Should I > just get a wireless KVM

Re: [gentoo-user] Xfce4 shutdown issues

2011-07-06 Thread Rudmer van Dijk
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 16:37:40 john wrote: > Since a recent upgrade of polkit (I think) as a normal user I can no > longer shutdown using log out, shutdown option not available. As root > using shutdown only logs you out but does not shutdown. > > On a second machine as a normal user I can see

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and HARD lock ups.

2011-07-06 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 23:01 -0500, Dale wrote: > Dale wrote: > > Dale wrote: > >> > Thoughts? Anyone think of anything that could cause this? > > Dale > > :-) :-) > Hi Dale, I have not been following the thread, but have you tried starting the problem apps, konsole etc from a basic xterm with