Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Saturday, May 18, 2019 11:01:30 P.M. AEST Wols Lists wrote: > On 17/05/19 06:19, Andrew Udvare wrote: > >> On May 17, 2019, at 01:14, Adam Carter wrote: > >> > >> The classic one is where OPS haven't noticed that disks in a RAID array > >> have died years ago...> > > This really happened? >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:25:58 BST Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > At some point in the future, my stationary PC will require a hardware > refresh. At that point I will say goodbye to Intel. This is the only > language companies understand. Yes, Intel has been permanently erased as an option for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On 17/05/19 06:19, Andrew Udvare wrote: >> On May 17, 2019, at 01:14, Adam Carter wrote: >> >> The classic one is where OPS haven't noticed that disks in a RAID array have >> died years ago... > > This really happened? > It's probably more common than you think. Can't tell (don't really know)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 01:53:45PM -0500, Dale wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > […] > > If your system is on, how is it going to replace vulnerable kernels > > with patched ones? > […] > > While I want to keep the bad CPU code from being used, they first have > to get past other things.  My D

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Mick wrote: > On Friday, 17 May 2019 09:43:46 BST Dale wrote: > >> My problems with init thingys date all the way back to to the Mandrake >> 9.1 days when I first used Linux. > I was never a Mandrake user, but also avoided using an initrd unless it came > with a binary distro - at which point I wo

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Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:28 AM Mick wrote: >> Count yourself lucky. You could have discovered your disk wouldn't spin up >> again, your PSU packed up, or even the MoBo chipset decided to retire from >> active service. Eventually, any of these hardware problems would manife

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:28 AM Mick wrote: > > Count yourself lucky. You could have discovered your disk wouldn't spin up > again, your PSU packed up, or even the MoBo chipset decided to retire from > active service. Eventually, any of these hardware problems would manifest > themselves, but a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Friday, 17 May 2019 09:43:46 BST Dale wrote: > My problems with init thingys date all the way back to to the Mandrake > 9.1 days when I first used Linux. I was never a Mandrake user, but also avoided using an initrd unless it came with a binary distro - at which point I would also expect it t

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Adam Carter wrote: > > something even worse.  Since rebooting is when those tend to > fail/break/whatever, it is yet another reason I avoid rebooting.  > > > I take the opposite approach. If I update the kernel and reboot often, > I see the following benefits; > - Each increment in version

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> Yep, and not just to Adam. I had to ask support twice to check their > array > because performance was degraded, but they preferred to blame (my) network > for > it. So much for keeping an eye on monitoring kit for their storage. > > Systems guys blame the network, network guys blame the firewa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Friday, 17 May 2019 06:48:28 BST Adam Carter wrote: > > > The classic one is where OPS haven't noticed that disks in a RAID array > > > > have died years ago... > > > > This really happened? > > Yeah. Spent huge money on NMSes but then didn't spend the relatively small > amount on thorough in

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> > > The classic one is where OPS haven't noticed that disks in a RAID array > have died years ago... > > This really happened? > Yeah. Spent huge money on NMSes but then didn't spend the relatively small amount on thorough integration to make it really worthwhile... It seems common to me that co

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

> On May 17, 2019, at 01:14, Adam Carter wrote: > > The classic one is where OPS haven't noticed that disks in a RAID array have > died years ago... This really happened?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

> > something even worse. Since rebooting is when those tend to > fail/break/whatever, it is yet another reason I avoid rebooting. I take the opposite approach. If I update the kernel and reboot often, I see the following benefits; - Each increment in version is smaller, therefore there's less c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 15/05/2019 18:25, Dale wrote: >> If my system is off, how's it going to play videos? > > If your system is on, how is it going to replace vulnerable kernels > with patched ones? > > Anyway, it's your system, not mine. I don't really care if you run > vulnerable kernels

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New Intel CPU flaws discovered

On Wed, 15 May 2019 18:42:03 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 15/05/2019 18:25, Dale wrote: > > If my system is off, how's it going to play videos? > > If your system is on, how is it going to replace vulnerable kernels with > patched ones? It is possible to use kernel live patching, see [1]

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Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 15/05/2019 13:14, Dale wrote: >> Thanks much for the info.  That was my thinking but I have been wrong >> before, more than I may even know about at times.  ;-)  I'll work on >> updating my kernel but I rarely reboot. > > You make it sound like something to be proud of

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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:01 AM Adam Carter wrote: > >> Am I correct to think that "Mitigation" is good enough or does that mean it >> could be affected in some other way or is risky? > > I accept Mitigation as good enough. I'm not sure what alternative there would be... :) Everything reported

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Adam Carter wrote: > > This appears to be OK on my CPU but want to ask to be sure.   > Here's some info, sort of taking cues from what you posted above. > > > root@fireball / # uname -a > Linux fireball 4.18.12-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Oct 14 23:45:12 > CDT 2018 x86_64 AMD FX(t

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> > This appears to be OK on my CPU but want to ask to be sure. Here's some > info, sort of taking cues from what you posted above. > > > root@fireball / # uname -a > Linux fireball 4.18.12-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Oct 14 23:45:12 CDT 2018 > x86_64 AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor AuthenticA

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Adam Carter wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 3:26 PM Adam Carter > wrote: > > Here we go again; > https://mdsattacks.com/ > > > Sounds like AMD not affected. > > > AMD looks good; > $ uname -a > Linux proxy 5.1.2-gentoo #2 SMP Wed May 15 16:39:53 AEST