Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Wols Lists
On 23/06/20 19:32, Sid Spry wrote: > The danger of SMART is that rate of false negatives is so high (IME) that > you might erroneously think a drive is not going to fail and putting off a > backup. A good backup policy should mitigate this, but you still might plan > around drive lifetime SMART pre

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:37 PM Dale wrote: > > I'm sure there is many false positives out there but ignoring the real > positives isn't a good solution either. By all means, if one wants to just > wing it and hope for the best, disable SMART and take the risk. At some > point, a drive will f

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Dale
Sid Spry wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Dale wrote: >> SMART can't predict the future so it can only monitor for the things >> it can see. If say a spindle bearing is about to lock up suddenly, >> SMART most likely can't detect that since it is a hardware failure that >> can't re

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Sid Spry
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Dale wrote: > SMART can't predict the future so it can only monitor for the things > it can see. If say a spindle bearing is about to lock up suddenly, > SMART most likely can't detect that since it is a hardware failure that > can't really be predicted. We

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Dale
Sid Spry wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Which is better than not knowing until the drive is failed and >> offline. :) >> > But redundant if the drive degration is obvious. In two cases I > can think of drives only reported SMART will-fail after the drives > had

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Sid Spry
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > Which is better than not knowing until the drive is failed and > offline. :) > But redundant if the drive degration is obvious. In two cases I can think of drives only reported SMART will-fail after the drives had hard failed. In the ot

[gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-23, Sid Spry wrote: > Thanks for these. I do have a general question: has SMART actually shown > anyone predictive capability? Sort of. It noticed the initial failures and e-mailed me a warning long before I would have otherwised noticed. I lost a couple files, but without SMART I p

[gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-15, Grant Edwards wrote: > backblocks was designed to do what you want. ... > babblocks would be a good start. Geez, I can't even mistype "badblocks" consistently... -- Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: Testing a used hard drive to make SURE it is good.

2020-06-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-06-15, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I finally bought a 8TB drive.  It is used but they claim only a > short duration.  Still, I want to test it to be sure it is in grade > A shape before putting a lot of data on it and depending on it.  I > am familiar with some tools already.  I know about SM