Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I am naturally grumpy.
Wonder what I am? Then again, does it mat
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
>>> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> I am naturally grumpy.
>>
>
> Wonder what I am? Then again, does it matter? Th
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, o
>> Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
>
> It is? You could have fooled me
Sorry - I meant being grumpy is seductive for the grumpy person. Its
pretty much the opposite for the people they interact with, as you
imply.
On Friday 30 September 2011 01:45:39 Adam Carter wrote:
> Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
It is? You could have fooled me
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
>> > which is your own fucking fault.
>> >
>> > Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
>>
>> Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
>> it?
>
> I am naturally grumpy.
Yeah we've noticed ;) I like reading your posts because you know
stuff, and I like th
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
>>
>> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
>> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
>> Linux has compared with the BSD kern
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
>>
>> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
>> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
>> Linux has compared with the BSD kern
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
>>
>> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
>> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
>> Linux has compared
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
During what timeframe?
There have been massive Linux API breakages in 2004.
Jörg
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Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > which is your own fucking fault.
> >
> > Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
>
> Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
> Linux has compared with the BSD kernels.
Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 02:44:06PM +, James wrote:
>
> The kernel gyrations are all really about something much more important.
> *MONEY*
>
> ...Commercial distros like Apple's offering are making
> billions.
OS X is not a linux distribution.
It uses the xnu kernel, which fuses elements of
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> which is your own fucking fault.
>
> Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
it?
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
On 2011-09-27, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>> On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you
>> >> might
>> >
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 14:44:06 schrieb James:
> Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes:
> > > > Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
> > > > is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
> > >
> > > That's hilarious.
> > >
> > > The Linux developers are _
Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes:
> > > Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
> > > is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
> > That's hilarious.
> > The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
> > existing device driver cod
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> I can pretty much promise you that one area likely to get LOTS of
>> attention in this kernel series IS security updates, at least if they
>> are kernel based security issues. That a maj
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
>>
>> Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
>> up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
>> until they get the software ported
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
> up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
> until they get the software ported forward. Their remaining hardware
> of the same vintage had
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
>> Except they have drivers which are buggy and require backported fixes.
>
> and that is the reason stable series exist. They are stable and they backport
> fixes. Exclusive
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
> wrote:
> > Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> >> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
> >>
> >> 1) The kernel developers don't su
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
>> Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
>> update your code for you.
>
> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
>
> 1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
> are on
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
>>
>> 1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
>> are only fixed for customers who a
On 09/27/11 00:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
>> update your code for you.
>
> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
>
> 1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
> are only fixed f
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> That's hilarious.
> >>
> >> The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
> >> existing device driver code. There are
Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you
> >> might
> >> find interesting (if you haven't seen it already):
On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> That's hilarious.
>>
>> The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
>> existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
>> re-designs of some APIs that happen between min
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> That's hilarious.
>
> The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
> existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
> re-designs of some APIs that happen between minor versions of a
> supposedly "stable" kernel.
>
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you might
>> find interesting (if you haven't seen it already):
>>
>> http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/Linus-Torvalds-s-Lessons-on
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