On 2017-10-12 08:36, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > A more serious problem is how to find all the situations where
> > /usr/local is baked in. It's not as simple as grep because when I
> > could, I relied on the implicit PATH which would be configured
> > somewhere else, or it might not even be configu
Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I am naturally grumpy.
Wonder what I am? Then again, does it mat
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
>>> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> I am naturally grumpy.
>>
>
> Wonder what I am? Then again, does it matter? Th
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, o
>> Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
>
> It is? You could have fooled me
Sorry - I meant being grumpy is seductive for the grumpy person. Its
pretty much the opposite for the people they interact with, as you
imply.
On Friday 30 September 2011 01:45:39 Adam Carter wrote:
> Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
It is? You could have fooled me
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>> > which is your own fucking fault.
>> >
>> > Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
>>
>> Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
>> it?
>
> I am naturally grumpy.
Yeah we've noticed ;) I like reading your posts because you know
stuff, and I like th
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
>>
>> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
>> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
>> Linux has compared with the BSD kern
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
>>
>> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
>> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
>> Linux has compared with the BSD kern
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
>>
>> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
>> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
>> Linux has compared
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
During what timeframe?
There have been massive Linux API breakages in 2004.
Jörg
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Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > which is your own fucking fault.
> >
> > Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
>
> Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>
> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
> Linux has compared with the BSD kernels.
Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 02:44:06PM +, James wrote:
>
> The kernel gyrations are all really about something much more important.
> *MONEY*
>
> ...Commercial distros like Apple's offering are making
> billions.
OS X is not a linux distribution.
It uses the xnu kernel, which fuses elements of
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> which is your own fucking fault.
>
> Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
it?
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
On 2011-09-27, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>> On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you
>> >> might
>> >
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 14:44:06 schrieb James:
> Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes:
> > > > Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
> > > > is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
> > >
> > > That's hilarious.
> > >
> > > The Linux developers are _
Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes:
> > > Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
> > > is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
> > That's hilarious.
> > The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
> > existing device driver cod
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> I can pretty much promise you that one area likely to get LOTS of
>> attention in this kernel series IS security updates, at least if they
>> are kernel based security issues. That a maj
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
>>
>> Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
>> up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
>> until they get the software ported
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
> up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
> until they get the software ported forward. Their remaining hardware
> of the same vintage had
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
>> Except they have drivers which are buggy and require backported fixes.
>
> and that is the reason stable series exist. They are stable and they backport
> fixes. Exclusive
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
> wrote:
> > Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> >> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
> >>
> >> 1) The kernel developers don't su
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
>> Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
>> update your code for you.
>
> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
>
> 1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
> are on
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
>> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
>>
>> 1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
>> are only fixed for customers who a
On 09/27/11 00:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
>> update your code for you.
>
> That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
>
> 1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
> are only fixed f
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> That's hilarious.
> >>
> >> The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
> >> existing device driver code. There are
Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you
> >> might
> >> find interesting (if you haven't seen it already):
On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> That's hilarious.
>>
>> The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
>> existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
>> re-designs of some APIs that happen between min
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> That's hilarious.
>
> The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
> existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
> re-designs of some APIs that happen between minor versions of a
> supposedly "stable" kernel.
>
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you might
>> find interesting (if you haven't seen it already):
>>
>> http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/Linus-Torvalds-s-Lessons-on
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> How do I link to a library I installed using portage?
And in this case it was simple once I found the right examples:
nvcc -lta_lib ta-lib-ma.cu -o ta-lib-ma
Sorry for the noise.
Cheers,
Mark
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:55:07 -0400, Ken Stevens wrote:
> To use connectbot on your g1 do you need to gain root access?
No, no more than I need root access to use SSH on any other computer.
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To use connectbot on your g1 do you need to gain root access?
On Apr 28, 2009 10:52 AM, "Neil Bothwick" wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:42:33 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > I've heard
good things about Conne...
I use that on my G-1 and it's pretty good.
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Nothing is foolproo
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:42:33 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> I've heard good things about ConnectBot.
I use that on my G-1 and it's pretty good.
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On 2009-04-28, Simon wrote:
> Anybody got a suggestion of a software to use on the pda to
> access my host and have a nice terminal (ie maybe be able to
> bind keys arbitrarily to some character?)
I've heard good things about ConnectBot.
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Grant Edwards grante Yo
Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:
> Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
> >> Hmm, I guess the output of your script is wrong.
>
> Guess so as well :)
>
> >> Put this line into the
> >> awk part instead:
> >>
> >> { i
Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
>> Hmm, I guess the output of your script is wrong.
Guess so as well :)
>> Put this line into the
>> awk part instead:
>>
>> { if (first) { print opts; first=0 }; print " \\\n\t/"$1"\t://"host"/"$
On Saturday 20 January 2007 18:46, James wrote:
> Daniel Iliev ilievnet.com> writes:
> > eix -C -c -n media-video | grep -i dvd
>
> That's a pretty cool search string.
> If I wanted to search the entire tree, why does this not work?
>
> eix -C -c -n * | grep -i dvd
>
> eix does not expand wildcard
On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux. It
On 9/6/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
>
> > My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
> > new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
> > learn to do it themselves usi
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
> My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
> new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
> learn to do it themselves using Linux. It takes a much stronger reason
> than that, at least in
Matt Randolph wrote:
Mr. Lee's problem is not that he cannot send email. It is that he
cannot send email by the method he has chosen to use because he hasn't
the knowledge necessary to make that method work. I assume he could
probably resort to webmail in a pinch.
If his distribution had pr
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
But does the Knoppix user's system have an administrator NOW? I say
it does not. It has been configured by an admin... heck, the OS was
installed to it's filesystem by an admin... but there is no admin
looking over the shoulder of the Knoppix u
On 9/6/05, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The solution would seem to be to either not make the software available
> until it has been sufficiently tested so that it does "JustWork" under
> all possible
> conditions (which the trained greed of users will not allow), or teach
> the user
Matt Randolph schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>> Matt Randolph schreef:
>>
>>
>>> I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is
>>> an enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a "fire and
>>> forget" distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to
>>> get it s
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:46:02 -0400
Paul Hoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> I found your email really informative and I have a question regarding
> one of your final comments. To paraphrase, you state that doing
> things the hard way will make employees more knowledgeable, "more so
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is an
enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a "fire and forget"
distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up
just right in the first place, but once tha
Matt Randolph schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In the Windows world, you don't have to ask yourself "is this
>>> software available for my OS?" In the Windows world, you buy the
>>> hardware first and then check to see if it's compatible AFTER
>>> you start having trouble getting it
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's
a good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
The only thing that is harder to do in th
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Who was is said "the only truly intuitive user interface is the tit"?
Somebody who never had children: babies and moms have to _learn_ how
to nurse, and sometimes aren't able to pull it off.
john.
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Matt Randolph schreef:
> [I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
> Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's
> a good thing it's broken into sections.]
>
> Linux is easy.
>
>
> The only thing that is harder to do in the Linux world that
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's a
good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
That's not to say that it can't be hard. Depending on what you're
trying to do, you may have to be
On Sep 4, 2005, at 11:20 PM, Bob Sanders wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the
learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not
necessarily more difficult, jus
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the
> learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not
> necessarily more difficult, just different) is a serious obstacle.
>
Based on
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:11:51 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > See, you are the admin, your wife etc. are users. they don't care
> > about the ins and outs of the system, only what they can do with it.
>
> Fine, but going back to the only thing in the thread that got me
> involved (why do I get involv
On 9/4/05, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >But to use it you have to set it up, right? ;-)
>
> Wrong. someone has to set it up, but it doesn't have to be the user.
Surely...
>
> >I'm not confusing administering a system with using a system.
> > Although my skill set is perm
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:02:30 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > You're confusing using with administering. Yes, administering a Linux
> > system takes more knowledge than clicking a few buttons in Windows,
> > but using a correctly setup system is no harder with Linux, even
> > Gentoo, than Windows. My
Uwe Thiem schreef:
> On 04 September 2005 11:41, Holly Bostick wrote:
>
> I've tried to stay away from this thread but can't resist any more.
> ;-)
>
> [ snip a lot of Holly's rant I mostly agree with ]
>
>
>> This is why I can't deal with all the people I encounter who
>> suggest that 'it' s
On 9/4/05, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:56:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> > In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
> > disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
> > run desktops they run apps - and because the
On 04 September 2005 11:41, Holly Bostick wrote:
I've tried to stay away from this thread but can't resist any more. ;-)
[ snip a lot of Holly's rant I mostly agree with ]
> This is why I can't deal with all the people I encounter who suggest
> that 'it' should 'JustWork' without need for instr
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:56:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
> disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
> run desktops they run apps - and because they are so entrenched with
> dollars already spent on Microsoft
050904 Matt Garman wrote:
> I did a search for "taviso" and found his fvwm2rc file:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/fvwm2rc.html
> There's also a lot of screenshots (and even a video!) of that desktop.
The video is astonishing ! Fvwm2 looks like great fun, if you have the time.
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On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 09:15:26AM -0400, Thomas Kirchner wrote:
> This can be a bit daunting, though, so when I was setting it up I
> found a fairly good base (taviso's, I believe) and customized the
> heck out of it. Now it's perfect for me, and I just can't get rid
> of it. I've tried pretty m
Mark Knecht schreef:
> To become a Linux user is a commitment. People don't make new
> commitments lightly, and making a light commitment to Linux is doomed
> to failure. It's far too hard to use.
This is a common 'perception', and yet again I have to object to it,
because it's *wrong* (not for
> > I don't run desktops, I run applications.
> >
> In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
> disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
> run desktops they run apps - and because they are so entrenched with
> dollars already spent on Microsoft Win
On 9/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:31:28AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote
> > IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
> >
> > lightening fast, easy to configure
>
> Blackbox WM here. This goes back to when my 6-year-old Dell, 450 mhz
>
On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:31:28AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote
> IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
>
> lightening fast, easy to configure
Blackbox WM here. This goes back to when my 6-year-old Dell, 450 mhz
PIII, 128 megs of RAM, was still my main machine. The GNOME and KDE
* On Sep 2 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> seems that nobody likes FVWM
Hey, I use FVWM and love it, have for a long time ;) FVWM is small,
ultimately customizable, and can do everything any other WM can do, with
a bit of work. Virtually any dreamable interface is possible with it.
This c
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
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