[gentoo-user] how ati close source driver works with console framebuffer?

2011-04-06 Thread fei huang
hi all, I use ati-drivers started from 10.11, and replace my radeon driver from xorg-drivers, the documents already mentioned my previous working radeonfb drivers will no longer work, but no any solutions for user who is willing to use framebuffer console as before. I googled but no luck, some says

[gentoo-user] [OT] kvm monitor does not work

2010-11-29 Thread fei huang
hi: I have installed a windows xp guest using kvm, and trying to get my usb thumb drive working, I tried using "kvm -monitor /dev/ttyX" and "kvm -monitor /dev/pts/X“, but can't input anything, although I can see "qemu)" prompt right there. besides, I tried "ctrl+alt+2“ in vnc, the serial0 cons

Re: [gentoo-user] rxvt-unicode has no transparency right after upgrade

2010-11-20 Thread fei huang
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Keith Dart wrote: > === On Sat, 11/20, Willie Wong wrote: === > > If that were indeed the case (that they are forcing migration away > > from pseudotransparency and into real transparency), then it'd have > > been nice if the +/-tr tags throw some error text rathe

Re: [gentoo-user] rxvt-unicode has no transparency right after upgrade

2010-11-20 Thread fei huang
ok, everything is back to normal again, I downgraded my rxvt-unicode to 9.07-r2 and it worked as before. shall I report a bug or maybe I still missed something? On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:11 AM, fei huang wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Willie Wong wrote: > >> On

Re: [gentoo-user] rxvt-unicode has no transparency right after upgrade

2010-11-20 Thread fei huang
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Willie Wong wrote: > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 07:58:01PM +0800, fei huang wrote: > >I upgraded rxvt-unicode within just one or two days, right after a > > upgrade to version 9.09, > > > > it does not support transparency any more,

[gentoo-user] rxvt-unicode has no transparency right after upgrade

2010-11-20 Thread fei huang
hi: I upgraded rxvt-unicode within just one or two days, right after a upgrade to version 9.09, it does not support transparency any more, but my Xresources had been always working for me. post a snippet of my config file here, thanks. URxvt.transparent:true URxvt.shading:20 URxvt.tintColor:

Re: [gentoo-user] does slim work with xorg-server1.7.3?

2009-12-22 Thread fei huang
lower but less buggy. tks fei On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:45:20 +0100, fei huang > wrote: > > I've found the slim login manager will hang the computer if I enter "exit" >> or "console" in the panel, >&

[gentoo-user] does slim work with xorg-server1.7.3?

2009-12-17 Thread fei huang
I've found the slim login manager will hang the computer if I enter "exit" or "console" in the panel, blank screen and no response at all, had to push the reset button to recover. I did not test it under the previous xorg-server installation, anybody has got the same issue? I've tried to recompile

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server 1.5.3 doesn't like 'freetype' and 'vga' modules?

2009-04-12 Thread fei huang
I've got "freetype" warning as well, but not preventing the start of X. "nvidia" should be the name of your driver, and there should be a "NoLogo" line in the xorg.conf to switch on/off splash

Re: [gentoo-user] start X at startup without a login manager

2009-03-22 Thread fei huang
I think we've got too far for it, the startx in local.start does have some drawbacks, the system will become nonresponsive if I switch back to the console, and the X seems running on VT2 instead of VT7, I studied the xdm script and found I've missed lots of important steps, for stability, I tried a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: start X at startup without a login manager

2009-03-20 Thread fei huang
thank you all for the help! the problem is finally solved. thanks James! I realized that the bash is not a login shell when invoked that way, and my locale variable in .bash_profile did not take effect. the command line now becomes: *su -l myname -c '-l' 'startx' * and worked! thanks Sebastia

[gentoo-user] start X at startup without a login manager

2009-03-20 Thread fei huang
I don't have any "xdm", "gdm" stuff but would like to start my windows manager directly at startup, cause I'm the only one that use it. here is my solution: I use runlevel 3 as default, and add a line of code in "/etc/conf.d/local.start": su - myname -c startx& this works just fine except my sci

Re: [gentoo-user] backup program recommendations?

2009-03-12 Thread fei huang
A shell script is all you want. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:55 AM, James Wall wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for a backup program that can back up to my DVD+-R/RW drive > to back up my private portage tree/distfile/music/web server. What > programs would you recommend to handle this task? > > TI

[gentoo-user] Re: can't load driver of vmware network on livecd 2008-0-r1

2008-09-09 Thread fei huang
perhaps the pcnet32 modules has a known bug around, I fixed the problem by configuring VMware to simulate a "e1000" ethernet card. hope this would help to those noobs. tks fei On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi: since I used to insta

[gentoo-user] can't load driver of vmware network on livecd 2008-0-r1

2008-09-08 Thread fei huang
hi: since I used to install Gentoo through a Universal CD on x86, there's no need to prepare a network connection before my own kernel is ready, as to livecd2008, network has to be configured to download a stage3 tarball, I started my livecd in vmware server, lspci shows my card is : Ethernet

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] vmware virtual disk expanded but invisible in VM

2008-04-01 Thread fei huang
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:13 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 01 April 2008, fei huang wrote: > > thank you for the reply, actually I've heard about this solution, and > > tried to use resize2fs to expand my filesystem (ext3), the problem is >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] vmware virtual disk expanded but invisible in VM

2008-04-01 Thread fei huang
? the additional size or the new complete size? and the device must be a partition rather than the whole disk, otherwise, it complains "Bad magic number in super-block", and for a partition, it complains size not match or too large. any ideas? tks fei > > :) > BillK > > &g

[gentoo-user] [OT] vmware virtual disk expanded but invisible in VM

2008-04-01 Thread fei huang
I've got a mini gentoo in vmware for coding, and the "/" becomes full, I used vmware-vdiskmanager and expaned the virutal disk with no problem, however, the VM is totally unware of the new free space, neither "fdisk" nor "parted", I've got no idea about this, almost all articles googled are a

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I pass options to emerge

2007-11-13 Thread fei huang
On Nov 2, 2007 4:08 AM, Aaron Cordova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The package netqmail allows me to specify the value QMAIL_CONF_SPLIT > before it compiles. How do I actually set this value? How do I set optional > flags when I build a package? Do i need to place them in a file somewhere or > c

Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge anything, wrong files downloaded

2007-11-10 Thread fei huang
On Nov 10, 2007 4:47 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fei huang wrote: > > > tks for your reply. > > I've got enough space for the portage directory, and I think the point is > why it downloaded a wrong file? > while inspecting the output again, I s

Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge anything, wrong files downloaded

2007-11-10 Thread fei huang
On Nov 10, 2007 4:47 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fei huang wrote: > > > tks for your reply. > > I've got enough space for the portage directory, and I think the point is > why it downloaded a wrong file? > while inspecting the output again, I s

Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge anything, wrong files downloaded (solved)

2007-11-10 Thread fei huang
well, because the mirror "files.gentoo.org" is not accessible here, wget downloaded the web page that reports error, remove the mirror from make.conf works. tks fei On Nov 10, 2007 4:20 PM, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 10, 2007 3:24 PM, Dirk He

Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge anything, wrong files downloaded

2007-11-10 Thread fei huang
On Nov 10, 2007 3:24 PM, Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Samstag, 10. November 2007 schrieb fei huang: > > It has been a long since my last update to the system, found lots of > weird > > problem today, > > > > 1. the worst among those was that

[gentoo-user] can't emerge anything, wrong files downloaded

2007-11-09 Thread fei huang
It has been a long since my last update to the system, found lots of weird problem today, 1. the worst among those was that I could not emerge anything now, the build.log for portage as an example: >>> Unpacking source... >>> Unpacking portage-2.1.3.16.tar.bz2 to /var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/portage

Re: [gentoo-user] VFS: Cannot open root device "hda6" or unknown-block(3,6)

2006-12-26 Thread fei huang
didn't you separate your boot partition from / ? --> root (hd1,5) this indicates your BOOT partition (/boot) is located at /dev/hdb6 --> kernel /boot/linux-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 root=/dev/hda6 this indicates your ROOT partition ( your / ) locates at /dev/hda6, is is possible? On 12/26/06, Bruc

Re: [gentoo-user] X starting in 640x480 only

2006-11-08 Thread fei huang
On 11/9/06, Andrés Becerra Sandoval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/7/06, Christian Herzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hi,>> when I rebooted my PC yesterday my X did not come up (I made an error> with etc-update after the resent baselayout upgrade and removed the > DISPLYMANAGER setting). After fi

Re: [gentoo-user] problems rendering unicode characters

2006-10-18 Thread fei huang
On 10/18/06, Liviu Andronic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/17/06, fei huang < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure, but have a look at your locale settings.. good luckI currently have LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 and LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 set in /etc/env.d/02locale. And I have th

Re: [gentoo-user] problems rendering unicode characters

2006-10-17 Thread fei huang
I'm not sure, but have a look at your locale settings.. good luckdaniel

Re: [gentoo-user] how to keep the souce for debugging under gentoo?

2006-09-04 Thread fei huang
On 9/4/06, Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "fei huang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>  however, I found the source from /usr/portage/distfiles does not match the running instance, then I realized that the > running executable is compiled from patched or altered

[gentoo-user] how to keep the souce for debugging under gentoo?

2006-09-03 Thread fei huang
I posted a question a while ago regarding the way of debugging /sbin/init . I managed to do it by adding -ggdb to CFLAGS temporarily (as well as the nostrip feature).  however, I found the source from /usr/portage/distfiles does not match the running instance, then I realized that the running exe

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to debug /sbin/init process?

2006-08-25 Thread fei huang
On 8/25/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/25/06, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> wonder why gentoo does not support debug flag on ALL packages, but just to a> small range of ebuilds? > any good reason for that .?  don't know.The debug use flag is nor

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to debug /sbin/init process?

2006-08-25 Thread fei huang
On 8/25/06, Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 17:22 schrieb ext fei huang:> I'm running a user mode linux on my Gentoo box, and trying to debug the> /sbin/init process, but seems no way to emerge the sysvinit with debug > flag on, perh

[gentoo-user] Is there a way to debug /sbin/init process?

2006-08-24 Thread fei huang
I'm running a user mode linux on my Gentoo box, and trying to debug the /sbin/init process, but seems no way to emerge the sysvinit with debug flag on, perhaps not all packages support the use flag.. lots of articles around there talking about debugging kernel, uh,, not for init...  can I just comp

Re: [gentoo-user] the user mode linux can't access network..

2006-08-23 Thread fei huang
thanks for helping...the problem has been solved by applying iptable rules on my ppp0 instead of eth0. since ppp0 is the real device that conncts to the Internet.tks again.daniel

Re: [gentoo-user] the user mode linux can't access network..

2006-08-21 Thread fei huang
On 8/21/06, Etaoin Shrdlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 21 August 2006 16:22, fei huang wrote:> still no luck... I tried to build everything in kernel, and later> build additional iptable_filter as module, add iptable to my default> run level,, neither of them works.. I&#

Re: [gentoo-user] the user mode linux can't access network..

2006-08-21 Thread fei huang
still no luck... I tried to build everything in kernel, and later build additional iptable_filter as module, add iptable to my default run level,,  neither of them works.. I found there is a warning message after emerge iptables says: ip forwarding is not included in iptables any more. what does it

Re: [gentoo-user] the user mode linux can't access network..

2006-08-21 Thread fei huang
On 8/21/06, Etaoin Shrdlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 21 August 2006 11:24, fei huang wrote:> yep, that's why I get so frustrated, I did exactly the same as what> the guide instructs..> any other posibilities that may cause the problem? Ok, let's see: you say that

Re: [gentoo-user] the user mode linux can't access network..

2006-08-21 Thread fei huang
On 8/21/06, Etaoin Shrdlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 21 August 2006 08:38, fei huang wrote:> did I miss something? or the guide is just incomplete?I see you are directly connecting the real host to the virtual host usingtuntap (eg, you don't use uml_switch). I would like t

[gentoo-user] the user mode linux can't access network..

2006-08-20 Thread fei huang
I have my user mode kernel running on my gentoo box following the gentoo's guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/uml.xmlbut can not access the Internet,  pinging my host system appears to be no problem though.. my host system has a ADSL connection to the Internet, and "eth0" has been assigned with IP

Re: [gentoo-user] wierd characters

2006-08-19 Thread fei huang
On 8/18/06, Matthew R. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've noticed of late that accented characters in emails that I recieve areeither absent, dashed squares, or arabic charecters.  I recently set my localas eng_GB is this the cause?Matt-- check out all names acceptable for locales under /usr/share

Re: [gentoo-user] Missing device files for cdroms

2006-07-20 Thread fei huang
BTW: /dev/cdrom is required by some applications, e.g. eject. you may create a soft link by yourself manualy, so long as your actually device works, that's probably /dev/hda or /dev/hdb in your system.daniel.

Re: [gentoo-user] Missing device files for cdroms

2006-07-20 Thread fei huang
On 7/20/06, don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a system with an SATA hard drive, and two IDE cdroms.The kernel sees them as shown by these lines in /var/log/messages== Jul  7 21:19:31 reid1 kernel: hda: SONY DVD-ROM DDU1

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel compilation problem [panic: not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknows-block(0,0)

2006-06-26 Thread fei huang
On 6/26/06, Ezequiel Carmona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. sorry for my english.edit /boot/grub/grub.confin line kernel /bzImage-2.6.15-r5 root=/dev/sdaadd -rokernel /bzImage-2.6.15-r5 root=/dev/sda -royou should specify a partition with the root parameter, e.g. /dev/sda1this partition is where y

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader can not run by normal user

2006-06-26 Thread fei huang
unfortunately, no unusual environment settings found, but there is a very important message that I haven't noticed. that is the libstdc++ root loads is libstdc++.so.5, however the user load the version libstdc++.so.6, so that's why they goes to /usr/lib/libstdc++-v3/ and /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-li8nu

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader can not run by normal user

2006-06-26 Thread fei huang
On 6/26/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/25/06, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 6/25/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > I compared all the open() system calls between outputs generated by root and> the normal user, and found someth

Re: [gentoo-user] acrobat reader can not run by normal user

2006-06-25 Thread fei huang
On 6/25/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On 6/23/06, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I'm not sure when did this issue arise, perhaps after a update of my glibc > or whatever packages that I could not remember,  but seems ok with root > somehow, anyway,

[gentoo-user] acrobat reader can not run by normal user

2006-06-23 Thread fei huang
I'm not sure when did this issue arise, perhaps after a update of my glibc or whatever packages that I could not remember,  but seems ok with root somehow, anyway, I used strace to track the running process and get the following message ( the last few lines): ...open("/lib/libgcc_s.so.1", O_RDONLY)

Re: [gentoo-user] Deleted /boot

2006-06-21 Thread fei huang
On 6/21/06, Mike Markowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's a little more info that might inspire some ideas out there ingentoo land.  Since my /boot partition was possibly in a generallyunhappy state, I booted the 2006.0 livecd, did a "mkfs /dev/sda1" (my /boot partition), then put grub and kerne

Re: [gentoo-user] Lost most locales after glibc upgrade

2006-06-19 Thread fei huang
On 6/19/06, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: fei huang wrote:>>> On 6/19/06, *Alexander Skwar* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote:>> Alexander Kirillov wrote:>>  > I've lost most of them locales after upgrade to gli

Re: [gentoo-user] Deleted /boot

2006-06-19 Thread fei huang
On 6/20/06, Mike Markowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, when I do it, I do it right.  Through a bad combination of typosand missing an I deleted everything in /boot.  :-(This is what I did to (try to) recover:  # cd /boot  # mklost+found   # emerge grub  [...edited grub.conf...]  [...recompile

Re: [gentoo-user] Lost most locales after glibc upgrade

2006-06-19 Thread fei huang
On 6/19/06, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alexander Kirillov wrote:> I've lost most of them locales after upgrade to glibc-2.3.6-r4.You'll need to create a /etc/locale.gen file. After that, readman 5 locale.genman 8 locale-gen and run /usr/sbin/locale-gen> I don't have

Re: [gentoo-user] does anyone here speak japanese? please help in translaton

2006-06-18 Thread fei huang
This mail is written in Chinese, yes, I'm sure, for I am a Chinese..besides, please click the report spam button to get rid of it.regardsdaniel On 6/18/06, CapSel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I don't speak japanese at all :) -- Forwarded message --From: 深圳物资集团有限公司 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>D

Re: [gentoo-user] Reading ~/.xsession file

2006-06-18 Thread fei huang
I use ~/.xprofile , have a try, ;--)

Re: [gentoo-user] Explore2fs and Gentoo

2006-06-15 Thread fei huang
On 6/15/06, Leandro Melo de Sales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,   in my laptop I use linux and windows. Sometimes when I'm usingwindows I need to access data from my linux ext3 partition. So I triedto use Explore2fs application. It detects my two ext3 (hda3 and hda4) partitions, but when I click t

Re: [gentoo-user] LDPATH not set

2006-06-07 Thread fei huang
On 6/7/06, Robert Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: in /etc/env.d/00basic I have the lineLDPATH="/usr/local/lib"yet when I enter "echo $LDPATH" I get nothing and I have to set it manually toget programs using libraries installed in /usr/local/lib to work. What have I done wrong?run env-update and

Re: [gentoo-user] pppoe connect problem after updates

2006-06-04 Thread fei huang
On 6/5/06, Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've just spent several hours trying permutations to get ADSL to connectafter updating to Baselayout-1.12.0 & Ppp-2.4.3 .I've read  /etc/conf.d/net.example  & copied what seem the needed lines :  config_eth0=( " 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 bro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox hangs frequently...

2006-06-01 Thread fei huang
On 6/1/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/31/06, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> (gdb) back> #0  0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall ()> #1  0xb7df6c5c in pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from > /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0Hmm, threading issues...Is

[gentoo-user] Re: firefox hangs frequently...

2006-05-31 Thread fei huang
upgrading gcc is really a pain, I have finished the revdep-rebuild process, not solved my problem, but new ones occur. seems I have to do a "emerge -e world", that's so terrible and even worse, I'm not sure that works... well, I have to make firefox working firstly, so I re-compile it with d

Re: [gentoo-user] firefox hangs frequently...

2006-05-25 Thread fei huang
On 5/26/06, Matthias Langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 10:04 +0800, fei huang wrote:> I have seen wierd problems with binary packages. Have you> tried> compiling firefox from source yet?>> - -- > Jeremy Olexa>

Re: [gentoo-user] firefox hangs frequently...

2006-05-25 Thread fei huang
I have seen wierd problems with binary packages. Have you triedcompiling firefox from source yet? - --Jeremy Olexa([EMAIL PROTECTED])yes, It took me  more than half  an hour  to compile it from source last night,  um;--(  Maybe you should also# emerge -av gentoolkit# revdep-rebuildHTH, Matthia

[gentoo-user] firefox hangs frequently...

2006-05-25 Thread fei huang
well, I know the post should not shows up at list of gentoo, but the problem is really quite annoying and I could not find any useful solution through google. every time I click on the "save link as" or "save image as", firefox immediately stops responding, It is said that the problem might be ca

Re: [gentoo-user] system suspend every time when rebooting or shutdown.

2006-05-22 Thread fei huang
problem solved~ by the following steps:   > touch /etc/init.d/*   > depscan.sh --updatethank you. On 5/22/06, fei huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think I have solved this problem, not completely though. again I removed everything under /etc that belongs to baselayout, and

Re: [gentoo-user] system suspend every time when rebooting or shutdown.

2006-05-21 Thread fei huang
I think I have solved this problem, not completely though. again I removed everything under /etc that belongs to baselayout, and re-emerge it, (I still don't know what the hell had caused the problem!).  however, when I tried to restore some of my startup scripts like "metalog, alsasound", gentoo c

Re: [gentoo-user] system suspend every time when rebooting or shutdown.

2006-05-21 Thread fei huang
On 5/21/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: fei huang wrote:> This issue was found when I started to use gentoo again after around> three months. I remember that I updated some packages including the> portage... the system suspends with  " *no more* processes *lef

[gentoo-user] system suspend every time when rebooting or shutdown.

2006-05-20 Thread fei huang
This issue was found when I started to use gentoo again after around three months. I remember that I updated some packages including the portage... the system suspends with  " no more processes left in this runlevel" message. I have solved this problem by removing all files under /etc/ within the p

[gentoo-user] pppoe-status returns the wrong infomation! might be a bug..

2006-05-13 Thread fei huang
I've configued the rp-pppoe following the updated instruction in Gentoo Handbook,  and my ADSL modem can be brought up at start up , however, the pppoe-status always returns message says that the PID file could not be found (which is definity wrong!). my network was working of course..  so.  I  fou

[gentoo-user] what does NR stands for?

2006-05-10 Thread fei huang
anybody who has some ideas about this prefix of numerous macros within linux source code?NR_TASKS for instance,  I just could not find any explanation. thanks.

[gentoo-user] Re: "check for update" option greyed out for firefox1.5

2005-11-30 Thread fei huang
i see, but it seems that i'm the only person who cares, no comments about such could be googled or be found in GWN.thanks.BTW: i subscribed the no-mail version of gentoo-user, and tend to read mail through google group. what if i would like to follow-up a post? start a new one is simple though.