On 2015-08-28, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:34:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I know it has worked in the past, and I know that recent versions of
>> some distros that use Grub2 still allow you to pick a partition for
>> the bootloader during the install.
>
> I'm instal
walt wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a
>> one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you
>> understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't
>> take a lot of
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558800
No big deal now that we can see all the recent changes to ncurses.
Me; I'm just going to wait until Monday, to sync and update.
> The problem was that EAPI5 (which is only a year old or so) interacts
> with sl
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:00:54PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:42:46 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> > Title-artist-based filenames are harder than it looks. I'm working on
> > a bash script to generate title_-_artist.flac filenames from
> > audio_nn.inf data. Then I'll p
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a
> one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you
> understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't
> take a lot of time.
Does that talk
Am Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:23:26 -0500
schrieb Dale :
> Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
> > For anybody who thinks git is hard, I'll just leave here my own
> > thoughts on the matter.
> >
> > As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
> >
> > - git clone
> > - git pull
>
150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> To really appreciate git you should understand git objects
> and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are.
> Also, the whole copy-on-write concept and content-hashing concept.
> I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat
> through a 1 hr talk
Am 28.08.2015 um 15:19 schrieb walt:
> I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
> because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
>
> This morning I just upgraded(?) ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-6.0-r1 and
> immediately after doing that, portage wants to downgrade(?) from
> 6.0-r1 back t
> > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
> > > This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I
> > have grub correctly installed on the partition.
This hasn't happened to you so it obviously means it isn't possible...
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, Michel
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
> Le 2015-08-27 23:36, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit :
>>
>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
>>>
>>> This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I
>>
>> have grub correctly installed on the
On Aug 27, 2015 6:50 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a partition is
> >simply not supported.
>
> When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have
grub installing itself on the MBR when the users does
Le 2015-08-27 23:36, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit :
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I
have grub correctly installed on the partition.
Install grub to a partition and do something like this:
su
c
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:45:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to have to understand the design. I just want to be a
>> user. I've got enough things competing for limited mental capacity as
>> it is.
>
> What? I don't
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:45:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> There are all sorts of stupidities in it - like `push' and `pull' not
> being opposites
That's fair.
> `clone' not producing a clone, but a new repository
> radically different from the original.
That is not true. It is a clone, j
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:40 PM, wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
>> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> >
>> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>> >
>> > Tested as user :
>> >
>> > 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/por
Hello, Rich.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:41:05PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I disagree completely. A little time spent on git is time wasted. Only
> > a lot of time spent on git is useful.
> I disagree with this.
> > git is to VCSs
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 28 Aug 2015 18:26:12 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
>> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>> >
>> > Tested as user :
>> > 690: ~> gi
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:22 PM, James wrote:
>
> Surely I can mask off these updates and stay with ::
> sys-libs/ncurses- 5.9-r4
>
> For a while, till things settle a bit? Weird. I mask off a version
> and a newer, later version appears. wtf?
In your long post you didn't actually say what vers
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> I disagree completely. A little time spent on git is time wasted. Only
> a lot of time spent on git is useful.
I disagree with this.
> git is to VCSs as assembler is to programming languages. To use either
> effectively, you've got t
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> >
> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
> >
> > Tested as user :
> >
> > 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
> > fatal: Not
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, James wrote:
> I agree with this. But since the Changlog data was a fundamental part
> of Gentoo, for a very long time, and the devs wisely chose to upgrade
> to git, I would think that this functionality would be provided
> via git, at least by some hacks or deta
On Friday 28 Aug 2015 18:26:12 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
> >
> > Tested as user :
> > 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log
James, maybe you skimmed over the premise "As a user - not
specifically a Gentoo user"?
Should I explain its implications?
I was specifically addressing the complaint that you need to be a git
guru just to access the changelogs. You don't. As Rich Freeman already
pointed out, it's really trivial,
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Philip Webb wrote:
> 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>
> Tested as user :
>
> 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
> fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mo
Emanuele Rusconi gmail.com> writes:
> As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
> When I experimented with managing my config files with git I did a lot
> of reading (I was new to VCS in general), and in the end I realized
> that, although git is really powerf
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wrote:
> >
> > It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> > without extra keystrokes?
>
> Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some
> consider this critical, some consider this
Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
> For anybody who thinks git is hard, I'll just leave here my own
> thoughts on the matter.
>
> As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
>
> - git clone
> - git pull
> - tig
>
> That's it. Tig is in dev-vcs/tig, BTW, and it's really
walt gmail.com> writes:
> I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
> because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
I believe you. But here's what I just experienced::
I syncd a few hours ago. Now when I just went to upgrade I got this
gyration of the latest ncurses debacle::
For anybody who thinks git is hard, I'll just leave here my own
thoughts on the matter.
As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands:
- git clone
- git pull
- tig
That's it. Tig is in dev-vcs/tig, BTW, and it's really handy.
When I experimented with managin
Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20:34AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
>> 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>> Tested as user :
>>
>> 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
>> fatal: Not a
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:20:34AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> 150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> > git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
>
> Tested as user :
>
> 690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
> fatal: Not a git repository (or any pare
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> > without extra keystrokes?
>
> Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some
> consider t
Hello, Rich.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:53:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wrote:
> >
> > It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> > without extra keystrokes?
[ ]
> While I do believe the ChangeLogs will show up aga
150828 Rich Freeman wrote:
> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > /tmp/log.txt
Tested as user :
690: ~> git whatchanged /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses > tmp/log.txt
fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /home)
Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wrote:
>
> It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s)
> without extra keystrokes?
Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some
consider this critical, some consider this pointless - I'll admit I
tend to fal
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM, walt gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Note that /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses/Changelog was last updated on
> > April 6, several months ago.
> >
> > Rhetorical question: what is the purpose of a Changelog?
>
> Gentoo is no longer
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> You can try the gitweb interface, for example like this:
> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/log/?qt=grep&q=ncurses.
>
A better view might be:
https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/log/sys-libs/ncurses
or if you prefer:
https://
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM, walt wrote:
>
> Note that /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses/Changelog was last updated on
> April 6, several months ago.
>
> Rhetorical question: what is the purpose of a Changelog?
Gentoo is no longer maintaining the old Changelog files. The source
of all change lo
Am Fri, 28 Aug 2015 06:19:20 -0700
schrieb walt :
> I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
> because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
>
> This morning I just upgraded(?) ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-6.0-r1 and
> immediately after doing that, portage wants to downgrade(?) from
I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4
because it was obviously(?) a mistake.
This morning I just upgraded(?) ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-6.0-r1 and
immediately after doing that, portage wants to downgrade(?) from
6.0-r1 back to 6.0.
This comedy of errors would be funny if
Am Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:44:29 +0200
schrieb "J. Roeleveld" :
> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 07:13:58 PM Marc Joliet wrote:
> > Am Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:42:07 +0200
> >
> > schrieb "J. Roeleveld" :
> > > I only had 1 required by set.
> > > Which basically got me to remove the llvm use-flag from mesa.
Hi All,
Apparently OneDrive, the Microsoft cloud storage, is using the webdav
protocol. However, to effect authentication OneDrive uses redirection to a
different URL, which breaks Linux connections to it. This page explains
someone's attempts using the previous MS offering of SkyDrive:
http
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
> Le 2015-08-27 15:18, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit :
>>
>> Who are you to tell them what they should work on? They're acting like
>> FOSS developers, many of whom work for free or underpaid so they work on
>> whatever the fuck they want. The pr
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> The language toward us is not much nicer. There is some arrogance from the
> other side of the issue.
> We've been fighting this for years. It is a lie to say that it cannot
> install on a partition. What makes it not install is the instal
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal
I've had serious problems in the past getting [grub2] to install on a
>>
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Jeremi Piotrowski
wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:19:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that's a
>>> pretty big reason to stick with grub-legacy.
>>
>>
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
wrote:
>
> You do need a manager like efibootmgr unless you have a really good "bios"
> menu
> where you can manage your entries. Only removable media is autodetected on all
> EFI boxes I've seen. I use GRUB2 because my efi firmware (like most)
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:50 PM, wrote:
>
> The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like
> Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of
> the PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot
> Operating systems on my c
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2015-08-27, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a partition
>>> and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal
>>>
>>> I've had serious problems in the past getting [grub2] to install on a
>>> partition and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insist
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Fernando Rodriguez
wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:27:14 PM Michel Catudal wrote:
>>
>> I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a partition
>> and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the MBR which is
>> unacceptab
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:34:05PM +0300, gevisz wrote:
>> Yes, the full system update now proceeded without blocks, however
>> with "severe warnings" while compiling firefox. They are provided below.
>> But the issue with ncurces blocks s
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:34:05PM +0300, gevisz wrote:
> Yes, the full system update now proceeded without blocks, however
> with "severe warnings" while compiling firefox. They are provided below.
> But the issue with ncurces blocks seem to be resolved.
>
> Thank you all who replied to this thre
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 07:13:58 PM Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:42:07 +0200
>
> schrieb "J. Roeleveld" :
> > I only had 1 required by set.
> > Which basically got me to remove the llvm use-flag from mesa.
> >
> > That solved the block for me as it ended up removing "llvm"
>
2015-08-28 7:03 GMT+03:00 gevisz :
> 2015-08-27 20:21 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick :
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:33 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>>> Fix the real error, and all that junk on the screen goes away. No reason
>>> to stop updating.
>>
>> And the "fix" is to resync, it's a fixed bug
>> htt
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:34:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> I know it has worked in the past, and I know that recent versions of
> some distros that use Grub2 still allow you to pick a partition for
> the bootloader during the install.
I'm installing openSUSE 13.2 into a VM right now and the
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:03:44 -0400, Michel Catudal wrote:
> Commenting on dictatorial behavior by some developper is not acting
> like a child, it is just defending a point.
All software is dictatorial, or at least oligarchic. code talks, those
that write it get to say what goes in it, those that
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:03:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Vinyl has always been the medium of choice for audio snobs...
> And by "snob" you don't mean an insult, you mean "someone with a trained
> ear who can detect superior quality", right?
Those too. for those of us whose ears spent too lon
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