2015-08-05 23:51 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata :
> Heiko Baums composed on 2015-08-06 07:19 (UTC+0200):
> ...
>> It's actually pretty easy.
>
> I'm sure plenty have found that to be the case. My problem is inability to
> connect the dots between the 12.1 column on
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distrib
2015-08-05 23:33 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata :
> Are you sure you read what I wrote and not what you think I wrote? Pages like
> LMGTFY *leads to*, not LMGTFY. I was where that *leads to* yesterday and the
> day before while progressing generally through wiki.gentoo.org and
> www.gentoo.org futilely try
Heiko Baums composed on 2015-08-06 07:19 (UTC+0200):
...
> It's actually pretty easy.
I'm sure plenty have found that to be the case. My problem is inability to
connect the dots between the 12.1 column on
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo and the instructions.
Goal #1 is to get
Jc García composed on 2015-08-05 23:02 (UTC-0600):
> 2015-08-05 22:40 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata ocmposed:
>> Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-05 23:46 (UTC-0400):
>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=download+gentoo
>> Pages like that leads to are like Windows and Sourceforge software hosts
>> where afte
Am 06.08.2015 um 04:23 schrieb Felix Miata:
> After reading
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
> which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
> time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to find one. The on
On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 01:00 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:18:43 PM Cor Legemaat wrote:
> > On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 19:56 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:12:07 PM Mick wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 02 Aug 2015 22:04:41 Fernando Rodrigu
2015-08-05 22:40 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata :
> Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-05 23:46 (UTC-0400):
>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=download+gentoo
>
> Pages like that leads to are like Windows and Sourceforge software hosts
> where after muddling past licenses and assumption what one's looking for has
Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-05 23:46 (UTC-0400):
> On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 10:23:03 PM Felix Miata wrote:
...
>> all seemed to be arch-agnostic, so this is the one I tried (newest
>> pre-Grub2):
...
> What makes you think it's arch agnostic when it says sh4-unknown-linux-gnu?
U
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 10:23:03 PM Felix Miata wrote:
> After reading
>
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
> which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
> time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying t
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 9:45:43 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
> > installation, beginning from "Unpacking the stage tarball" on
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86
James [15-08-05 17:32]:
> gmx.de> writes:
>
>
> > I dont like the idea of patching the kernel in order to get some minor
> > user land tools to run...
>
> ipset has been integrated into the kernel::
>
> 'equery belongs ipset'
>
>
> so you are just 'enabling' it to work.
>
> > Are there a
Felix Miata composed on 2015-08-05 22:23 (UTC-0400):
> After reading
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
> which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
> time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to find o
After reading
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Media#Minimal_installation_CD
which does not link to it until after its first mention I spent considerable
time on http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/gentoo/ trying to find one. The only iso
files I managed to find are DVD size. When I
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On 06/08/15 10:34, Bryan Gardiner wrote:
> After I make a fresh backup of my files, how would you recommend
> troubleshooting this? Run memtest or a hard drive tester? Since
> the files seemingly corrupted themselves after install without
> being
Bryan Gardiner khumba.net> writes:
> On my most recent update, I had some build failures that led me to
> find that some files on my root partition have been corrupted.
Pretty open ended statement, so here's a few ideas.
'eix -cC app-forensics' will give a brief description of tools
in tha
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
> installation, beginning from "Unpacking the stage tarball" on
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage :
>
> # tar xvjpf /pub/stage3-sh4-2012030
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:34:43 PM Bryan Gardiner wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> On my most recent update, I had some build failures that led me to
> find that some files on my root partition have been corrupted. This
> is a new Asus N550JK laptop, a mostly-stable amd64 install with
> gentoo-sour
OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous.
Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds
both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting
reading:: ymmv.
I'm not sure my overlay (kung_fu) is complete.
'layman -L' lists reasonably qualified overlay sites;
I booted x86_64 openSUSE 13.1 HD installation to try to begin Gentoo
installation, beginning from "Unpacking the stage tarball" on
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Stage :
# tar xvjpf /pub/stage3-sh4-20120307.tar.bz2 --xattrs
Tar (GNU tar) v1.26 reported
unr
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:47:58 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
> so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
> something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP:
It may be that in recent year
Hello list,
On my most recent update, I had some build failures that led me to
find that some files on my root partition have been corrupted. This
is a new Asus N550JK laptop, a mostly-stable amd64 install with
gentoo-sources-4.0.5 and ext4-root-in-LVM-in-LUKS-on-HDD, and Debian
lives in there to
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
> So, set it per your preference. Since the stage3 was built with
> USE=bindist it sets it by default, and that is the safer preference in
> any case. License-purists might prefer to leave it this way and that
> gives you an experience similar to debian main re
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 23:00:36 +0200
"J. Roeleveld" wrote:
> the following page should be required
> study for everyone starting with programming. (It's for PHP, but
> should work for ALL languages):
> http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/why-youre-a-bad-php-programmer--net-18384
Excellent article,
On 05/08/2015 23:12, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
>> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
>>> so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 06:20:17 PM Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
> > so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
> > something useful. I'm reminded o
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:47:58 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 05/08/2015 10:18, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> >>> > > In this context does '&hostname' mean a-pointer-to-a-pointer-to-the-
> >>> > > charstring we actually need?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Doesn't this code seem needlessly complicated?
>
On 05/08/2015 19:20, Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
>> so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
>> something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs
>> install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of
>> those...
>
> Me too please, Rich. I s
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:24 PM, James wrote:
>
> I have bindist set in make.conf. I'm not sure why, as it has most likely
> been there a while. I have plent of compiler power...
>
It is part of the stage3 default make.conf, so it isn't surprising
that you have it. Most users will probably wa
I did not want to tread on another thread so::
I have bindist set in make.conf. I'm not sure why, as it has most likely
been there a while. I have plent of compiler power...
# equery hasuse bindist
* Searching for USE flag bindist ...
[IP-] [ ] dev-libs/openssl-0.9.8z_p7:0.9.8
[IP-] [ ]
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2015 11:47:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Much of what makes programming work has been dumbed down in recent years
> so that employable persons without imagination[1] can have jobs and do
> something useful. I'm reminded of an old saw about PHP:
>
> The nice thing about php is it le
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:27:08 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> > THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I
> > have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first
> > time, now it is just a major PITA
>
> Mostly it just provides an opportunity to prove you
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:26:02 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Oh, and do you know why the handbook now says to include a tiny grub
> partition before the boot partition, even on an MBR system?
If you use GPT on a motherboard with BIOS, you need that partition.
It's on UEFI systems that you don't
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 10:43:28 Rich Freeman wrote:
> Just to humor you I'll include an OpenRC version of my raid1 btrfs
> install walkthrough. :) It has been a while since I've done one of
> those...
Me too please, Rich. I still haven't got this six-year-old MBR box to boot
raid1 btrfs.
On Sunday 02 August 2015 09:11:18 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 31 July 2015 13:53:42 Dale wrote:
> > This may not be related but thought I would mention. For some reason,
> > my system will not boot a kernel newer than 3.18.7. I use
> > gentoo-sources and generally use make oldconfig. I hav
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>>> The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the
>>> people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as c
On 05/08/2015 16:27, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously, more than a day?
>>
>> Bwahahahaha! You are too funny!
>>
>> THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I
>> have done it, and so have
On 2015-08-05, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 04/08/2015 20:30, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> Seriously, more than a day?
>
> Bwahahahaha! You are too funny!
>
> THREE WEEKS is not uncommon for this. I am not joking. Remember, I
> have done it, and so have many others here. It was fun the first
> time, now i
On 2015-08-05, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the
>> people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently
>> I, avoid systemd.
>
> Eh? The Handbook is for an
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes:
> > Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that
> > leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas.
> Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to
> generate some kind of "please do it" campai
gmx.de> writes:
> I dont like the idea of patching the kernel in order to get some minor
> user land tools to run...
ipset has been integrated into the kernel::
'equery belongs ipset'
so you are just 'enabling' it to work.
> Are there any other ways to achieve the same ?
Yes, but it's a
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 7:57 AM, James wrote:
>
> Rich0 said he'd modify the handbook into an experimental prose that
> leads to a raid-1 btrfs baseline system, if enough folks liked the ideas.
Just to clarify - I intend to do it, full stop. I don't want to
generate some kind of "please do it" ca
Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes:
> > Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation
> > semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on
> > www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for
> > established gentoo admins.
> That's interestin
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> -bash: qlist: command not found
> >> emerge qlist fails (with unable to parse profile...unsupported EAPI
> >> '5')
> >
> > It is part of app-portage/portage-utils.
> Which he will have to install first :-)
>
> If the distfile is s
On 05/08/2015 10:18, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> You can look at it like that, but more technically it's because C doesn't
> support out arguments, or reference arguments, or objects. All arguments are
> passed by value. You can return multiple values in a struct but it's not very
> convenient b
On 05/08/2015 09:00, Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:13:20 -0400
> schrieb Felix Miata :
>
>> Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-04 21:36 (UTC+0100):
>>
>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:32:51 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
I've yet to figure out how to get a list of
all installed pack
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:05:48 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> [OT]
> Much confusion is caused by people continually inventing new ways of
> using words with insufficient thought to how they would fit into the
> existing structure. Like "momentarily" for example, which in the
> current American usage
2015-08-04 21:28 GMT-06:00 Felix Miata :
> I really should have followed up on my installation 50 months ago at *least*
> 3 years ago. I have no recollection what stopped me, unless it was a naive
> choice to put it on one of my oldest slowest machines with nv11 instead of
> newer Intel or ATI and
On Wednesday 05 August 2015 08:48:21 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> It should be more obvious now why "simple installation semantic" is a
> total oxymoron in a Gentoo setting.
I don't even understand what it means. What is "a semantic"? As far as I know,
"semantic" is an adjective, "relating to meaning,
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 00:39:56 + (UTC), James wrote:
> Um, we can think out of the box for a new and cool installation
> semantic. Just look at blueness's posting (Gentoo Reference System) on
> www.gentoo.org as a new, and useful approach to installs for
> established gentoo admins.
That's inter
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:28:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> The Gentoo instructions look competent enough to do well for most of the
> people it's designed for, if only they aren't trying to do as currently
> I, avoid systemd.
Eh? The Handbook is for an OpenRC install, it's the systemd users that
ha
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:33:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> And then you will repeat the whole thing to deal with udev and friends.
> And then for OpenRC.
> And then the whole split /usr thing
> Bash will cause much pain. Oh, I almost forgot, there was that bash
> completion mess too.
For an idea o
On Wednesday, August 05, 2015 6:18:07 AM Franz Fellner wrote:
> walt wrote:
> > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:19:37 +0200
> > Franz Fellner wrote:
> >
> > > Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 03, 2015 6:41:22 PM walt wrote:
> > > > > That line declares *hostname as a constant and then t
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 05/08/2015 05:28, Felix Miata wrote:
>>> If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem
would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other
technical support issues.. YMMV.
>> I get the feeling Gentoo isn't a ri
Am Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:13:20 -0400
schrieb Felix Miata :
> Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-04 21:36 (UTC+0100):
>
> > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:32:51 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>
> >> I've yet to figure out how to get a list of
> >> all installed packages akin to 'rpm -qa | sort', so I really don'
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