[gentoo-user] Portable Gentoo (Pen Drive Linux)

2014-03-21 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
Hi, Since I don't have a laptop, I'm thinking of installing Gentoo on my USB 3 pen drive. I'll use binpkgs from my desktop so that pen drive lives long. Has anybody tried Samsung's F2FS? I heard it performs better than the traditional ext4/xfs/etc on flash drives. Also the pen drive will be used

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:51:22 +0100 null_ptr wrote: > Since the last kernel upgrade Which kernel package? From which version to which version? > the motherboard beep of my system has gone silent. Can you diff the dmesg as well as `lsmod` output before and after? > Module for my sound card is r

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread null_ptr
On 21/03/14 14:41, Lee wrote: I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available & load it. On Mar 21, 2014 12:41 PM, "Dat G" wrote: On 21/03/14 19:54, Francesco Turco wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, n

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After >> that, you don't exist to them. > Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond instead. I just read the last message from you Tom.

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > Judging by replies so far, I'd guess not many at all. You can't > possibly know how many will or will not plonk someone. In the meantime > Dale, I think you are projecting. Chill out brother, chill out. Plenty > stuff in the world more deserving of attention than this. I fi

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:34:55 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > 2. A discussion forum. For these you do munge Reply-To: to be the list > so all discussion happens on-list and is visible to all > > gentoo-user has always been the latter and all discussion always takes > place on-list. If some doc somew

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:57:07 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > How does one send email to *THIS* list, without being subscribed in > the first place? You can do that on sites like GMANE; similarly, given a message ID, you can request that specific from the mailing list daemon to land in your inbox, w

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 21/03/2014 23:57, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:29:48PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote > >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Procmail >> >> "The mailing list etiquette requires people to CC all the people >> involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case >> any o

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:29:48PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Procmail > > "The mailing list etiquette requires people to CC all the people > involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case > any of them is not subscribed." How does one send

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Lee
I can't think of the name of the module, pcspkr IIRC or some such, but it prolly isn't loaded. Modprobe can tell you if it's available & load it. On Mar 21, 2014 12:41 PM, "Dat G" wrote: > On 21/03/14 19:54, Francesco Turco wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, null_ptr wrote: >> >>> Module

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 21/03/2014 20:23, Dale wrote: > Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 3/21/2014 7:13 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 >>> Tanstaafl wrote: >>> On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. I am on the list and don'

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Dat G
On 21/03/14 19:54, Francesco Turco wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, null_ptr wrote: Module for my sound card is running and SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP is activated in kernel config. Am I missing something else? Perhaps you need CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR. I tried building with that and it didn't fix i

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Francesco Turco
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 18:51, null_ptr wrote: > Module for my sound card is running and SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP is activated > in kernel config. Am I missing something else? Perhaps you need CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR.

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500 Dale wrote: > FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After > that, you don't exist to them. Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond instead. > To my knowledge, the only emails I have not got when someone sent to

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/21/2014 7:13 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 >> Tanstaafl wrote: >> >>> On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> >>> Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. >>> >>> I am on the list and don't need two copies. >>> >>> Use 'Reply-To-Lis

[gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread null_ptr
Since the last kernel upgrade the motherboard beep of my system has gone silent. The notebook is a HP Compaq 6710b and with an Intel 82801H Chipset (see attached lscpi -k) Module for my sound card is running and SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP is activated in kernel config. Am I missing something else?

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Poison BL. wrote: > Just my 2c as one of the others who doesn't generally reply to what, > at face value, seemed an awful lot more combative/trolling of a tone > than actually useful (disregard != compliance on the internet), > fighting on the topic of 'proper use of mailing lists' when you're > st

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/21/2014 7:13 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. I am on the list and don't need two copies. Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delet

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to >> change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of >> you changing what you do to fix the problem? > Everyone else is okay with it, as

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: > I filter on the server, using SIEVE-scripts. Please provide the > correct syntax I need to do this. You are the only one causing > duplicate emails, all others on this list do NOT cause duplicate > emails. This means the cause is on your side and the solution should > then als

Re: [gentoo-user] World update and dev-lang/python-exec weirdness...

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 8 Mar 2014 10:12:13 -0500 Todd Goodman wrote: > When you ask it to emerge dev-lang/python-exec it tries to emerge for > all slots (I'm not sure, someone please correct me if that's not > what's happening.) Consider what happened when you did `sys-kernel/gentoo-sources` in the installatio

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Unable to access USB3 HDD / Pen drive

2014-03-21 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 21-Mar-2014 9:12 pm, "Tom Wijsman" wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 07:47:47 +0530 > Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: > > > Works perfectly. Looks like I've to downgrade to geek sources 3.13.4 > > in this case. > > Remember some thread about this on LKML; think this would have been > fixed by now, does

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.18 build problem

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 18:43:27 +0800 microcai wrote: > I'm having trouble compiling glibc. No matter I tried with binutils > 2.23 2.24. or - live version, I got ld internal error in > x86_64_relocation . And the same error repeated with glibc-2.18 and > glibc-2.19 . > > Don't know

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Unable to access USB3 HDD / Pen drive

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 07:47:47 +0530 Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: > Works perfectly. Looks like I've to downgrade to geek sources 3.13.4 > in this case. Remember some thread about this on LKML; think this would have been fixed by now, does this still happen on more recent versions? If so, please file

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:06:12 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > Is that one included in the Cyrus ebuild? In Cyrus it is an actual feature, see the (first) FAQ[1] entry about Duplicate Delivery Surpression; in imapd.conf you can do duplicatesuppression: 1 to enable this. It might be that becaus

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Fri, March 21, 2014 14:20, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:41:54 +0100 > "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > >> On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 >> > "J. Roeleveld" wrote: >> > >> >> Tom, >> >> >> >> Please reply to list. No need to inclu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:11:25 +0100 eroen wrote: > One would hope (mostly for their image's sake) the gnome team does > not remove gnome-settings-daemon-2 until at least one of > cinnamon-settings-daemon and mate-settings-daemon are included in > gentoo proper. + 05 Mar 2014; Tom Wijsman + +fi

Re: [gentoo-user] Compiles take much longer than in the past

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:53:44 +0100 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > I'm observing on this olde Centrino laptop that emerges take much, > much longer for certain packages than they did in the past. There are a lot more factors that could come into play here; degrading hardware, worse kernel, fragmenta

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:15:05 + Alan Mackenzie wrote: > (media-libs/libpng-1.6.8::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) > pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in > this slot) Whenever you see this, "(no parents that ...)", you'll want to be aware that there is back

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:54:43 + Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 01:32:36AM +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote: > > Am Samstag, 22.02.2014 um 21:15 > > > > What do I have to do to get this thing emerged? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Sometimes it is helpful to increase the backtrack

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:53:22 -0300 Facundo Curti wrote: > > > > Debian, and Ubuntu are desktop platforms. Yes they are widely used > > in production server environments (the slow > > ones that is) however, our last experience with Debian squeeze as a > > whole (ie, source tree, reliability, perfo

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:13:27 -0400 "Poison BL." wrote: > fighting on the topic of 'proper use of mailing lists' when you're > standing in stark contrast to the configuration of the mailing list > you're using to do it, Which fight? It is a short notice as to why it is being done, as well as what

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:41:54 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 > > "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > > > >> Tom, > >> > >> Please reply to list. No need to include me in the recipient list. > > > > Please filter duplicate

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Poison BL.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:27:09 + > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> >> > > Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, >> > > delete my direct email manually yourself) in yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:27:09 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > > Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, > > > delete my direct email manually yourself) in your email program. > > > > Like everyone else, use the 'Fil

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500 Dale wrote: > So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to > change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of > you changing what you do to fix the problem? Everyone else is okay with it, as only one in a thousand spea

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 > "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> Please reply to list. No need to include me in the recipient list. > > Please filter duplicate mails. No need to tell each other this. I filter on the server, using SIEVE-

[gentoo-user] Gentoo on MacbookPro Retina

2014-03-21 Thread Michael Vetter
Hello, Since a few weeks I am using Gentoo Linux. I have used Debian for something like 12 years and now decided to switch. So far I really enjoy the learning experience with Gentoo. Up to know I have it only installed on an old Notebook, to play around with it. However I use it way too seldo

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delete > > my direct email manually yourself) in your email program. > > Like everyone else, use the 'Filter duplicates' function in your email > program or procmail; these re

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 > Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> >> Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. >> >> I am on the list and don't need two copies. >> >> Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delete >

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > Tom, > > Please reply to list. No need to include me in the recipient list. Please filter duplicate mails. No need to tell each other this. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-h

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 21 March 2014 12:24:04 CET, Tom Wijsman wrote: >On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:54:55 +0100 >"J. Roeleveld" wrote: > >> On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann >> > wrote: >> >> oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:57:06 -0500 Tanstaafl wrote: > Getting the Gentoo Council behind this idea, and providing an > officially supported - or maybe a better term is *mandated* - process > whereby systemd proponents can create and then maintain new systemd > versions of any existing profiles. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:00:43 +0400 "Yuri K. Shatroff" wrote: > I wonder why all systemd's fancy stuff hasn't yet been integrated > into any existing init system, because of theoretical impossibility > or just practical uselessness? A lot of it is being integrated in some as we speak; however, ot

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:50:07 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > It all sounds too much like the MS Windows Event-viewer to me. > Too many events with no usefull logging information (And I am > referring to OS-level messages as to why default services are not > starting) The MS Windows Event-viewer ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:54:55 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > >> oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any any daemon I like? > >> Doesn't look like so. > > > > But

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:28 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > A login daemon should be started by the init system, not be an > integral part of it. What happens when logind no longer fulfils > developers needs, as is the case with ConsoleKit now, how can it be > replaced with an improved service when

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. > > I am on the list and don't need two copies. > > Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, delete > my direct email manually you

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:23:05 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2014 4:00 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:53:51 +0400 > > Andrew Savchenko wrote: > >> OpenRC is default in Gentoo now, and it is my best hope it will be. > > > Do you have a source that backs up this claim? > > A

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote: > > Why should Gentoo have a default? > > Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and > rational. Depends on how you think about it; one could claim a DE as default as reasonable an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tanstaafl
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote: Why should Gentoo have a default? Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and rational. ISTM the only good reason is that not having a default would make the documentation a lot more complicated. Documentation, *and* the install p

Re: [gentoo-user] Kworker use >80% of CPU

2014-03-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 20.03.2014 11:24, schrieb Tom Wijsman: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:39:58 +0400 > Gleb Klochkov wrote: > >> Tom, thank you for your answer. >> >> $ dmesg >> http://bpaste.net/show/187533/ > There this can be seen: > > [ 18.074574] [drm] Wrong MCH_SSKPD value: 0x16040307 > [ 18.074575] [

Re: [gentoo-user] eix per dir

2014-03-21 Thread Philip Webb
140320 James wrote: > I often go to /usr/portage/ > and browse the packages under a given category, > for example /usr/portage/media-sound . > Rather that looking at the packages one at a time, > It be nice to list all the packages in a (dir) group > and the single line description. My notes say

Re: [gentoo-user] Security

2014-03-21 Thread Philip Webb
140320 john wrote: > After recently reading about Windigo, > I am quesstioning how good my security is on my Gentoo box. > I am only a desktop user with iptables and clamav installed > and occasionally running chkrootkit. > Would you recommend any other forms of security > -- snort, selinux, harden

Re: [gentoo-user] Security

2014-03-21 Thread wraeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/03/14 17:44, Ján Zahornadský wrote: Indeed, the smaller the surface area, the smaller the target (the fewer things running, the fewer things can be exploited). For an average desktop environment, doing what you're already doing, I think, wou