Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread Jean-Christophe Bach
* the [21.08.2013. @09:35:09 +0400]: > On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've > > heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that > > it's not in the portage tree. > > > > Is jitsi being actively maintained

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: installing Gentoo on a 2007 Macbook

2013-08-20 Thread Keith Dart
Re , Marc Joliet said: > Now since I am productive with it, I wanted to install Gentoo on it > but have thus far failed. So here are my overall goals: > > - install Gentoo > - ideally ditch OS X > - boot using EFI instead of in BIOS compatibility mode (e.g., I read > that this I had Gentoo on a M

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've > heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that > it's not in the portage tree. > > Is jitsi being actively maintained in a

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > On 08/19/2013 04:55:29 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Helmut Jarausch >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > what binaries and libraries have to be put into an initramfs for a >> > system >> > booting with init=/usr/l

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 01:54:26AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote >> >> No, the kernel has a mini filesystem (doesn't matter which directory >> structure has inside), and it executes the init script (or binary >> program) in the root of the i

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Tuesday 20 August 2013 11:12:32 Randy Westlund wrote: > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've heard > several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in > the portage tree. > > Is jitsi being actively maintained in an overlay somewhere? Are there

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 01:54:26AM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote > > No, the kernel has a mini filesystem (doesn't matter which directory > structure has inside), and it executes the init script (or binary > program) in the root of the initramfs. This init program/script is the > responsible fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:16:31 -0500, Dale wrote: > You missed my whole point. You can't claim it is because it is new and > outside my comfort zone because even tho grub2 was new to me, it was not > outside my comfort zone. Grub2 is very little like the old grub. It is > just plain outright new

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:37:47 -0500, Dale wrote: > >>> Do you see the pattern, your lack of understanding is not a failing of >>> the software? This is not a technological point, or even a political >>> one, it is about being outside of your comfort zone. Using Gentoo is >>> a

[gentoo-user] mythtv, upnp, music

2013-08-20 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Does anyone of you host music on a mythtv/gentoo-server? I'd like to be able to stream music/mp3s via upnp (for example to listen to stuff via android apps) but I only see the videos and recordings when I browse the server. No music. Didn't get much help from the mythtv wiki or their ml so I tho

Re: [gentoo-user] Fallible revdep-rebuild

2013-08-20 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 20 Aug 2013 16:10:59 Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hi List, > > The other day my LAN server had an upgrade to PHP, from 5.4.17 to 5.5. Next > time apache restarted, it couldn't because it was looking for > /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp.5.so. The library seemed to be in place, > but in fact

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. Fun fact. When I installed Syser (mustdie kernel debugger), Skype began to complain about it. - -- Stop talking and start compiling. Linux user #557

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 7zip on ARM compilation error

2013-08-20 Thread meino . cramer
James [13-08-20 17:20]: > gmx.de> writes: > > > > I tried to emerge 7zip natively on a Beaglebone black. > > Which CPU is a "ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)" with the > > features "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 tls". > > > gcc-copnfig -l > > armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-4

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: installing Gentoo on a 2007 Macbook

2013-08-20 Thread Marc A. Kastner
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013, at 05:03 PM, Marc Joliet wrote: > I tried using an EFI stub kernel, but the firmware does not seem to pick > it > up. I suspect I will have to try blessing it again, but after rebooting > into > the OS X 10.7 DVD yet again, it didn't find the SSD *again*. So I will > get to >

[gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread Randy Westlund
For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in the portage tree. Is jitsi being actively maintained in an overlay somewhere? Are there plans to put jitsi in the main tree? Are there other other goo

[gentoo-user] Fallible revdep-rebuild

2013-08-20 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hi List, The other day my LAN server had an upgrade to PHP, from 5.4.17 to 5.5. Next time apache restarted, it couldn't because it was looking for /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp.5.so. The library seemed to be in place, but in fact it was a broken symlink to /usr/lib/php5.4/apache2/libphp.5.so.

[gentoo-user] Re: 7zip on ARM compilation error

2013-08-20 Thread James
gmx.de> writes: > I tried to emerge 7zip natively on a Beaglebone black. > Which CPU is a "ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)" with the > features "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 tls". > gcc-copnfig -l > armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-4.6.3 Hello Meino, You'll find the some of

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: installing Gentoo on a 2007 Macbook

2013-08-20 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:19:23 +0200 schrieb "Marc A. Kastner" : > I used Linux on a couple of different MacBooks. Usually I had the best > experience not using rEFInd as an intermediate layer, but as the EFI > boot loader loading the kernel file directly. My setup is based on the > ArchLinux Wiki a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:37:47 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Do you see the pattern, your lack of understanding is not a failing of > > the software? This is not a technological point, or even a political > > one, it is about being outside of your comfort zone. Using Gentoo is > > an exercise in expanding

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/08/2013 16:08, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-19 4:54 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 19/08/2013 18:39, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> On 2013-08-19 9:36 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: For your other question, you don't need an initramfs if your /usr is not split off and drivers for your fs on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:08:02 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> The main thing about this whole initramfs thing is, like Dale, I just >> don't understand it. I understand grub and grub.conf. I understand >> enough about compiling a kernel to be able to get it done and be >> reasona

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/08/2013 16:08, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-20 8:22 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:10:21 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> Not really, because make is intelligent enough to no bother recompiling anything for which the source has not changed. >>> >>> True, but why r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:08:02 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > That depends on your needs. The reason I do it this way is so that the > > initramfs is locked to the kernel. Once that kernel boots, it will > > always boot because the initramfs cannot be changed. If I make a > > change to the initramfs, t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-19 4:54 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 19/08/2013 18:39, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-19 9:36 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: For your other question, you don't need an initramfs if your /usr is not split off and drivers for your fs on / and chipset are compiled in. That will stay true for ag

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-20 8:22 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:10:21 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: Not really, because make is intelligent enough to no bother recompiling anything for which the source has not changed. True, but why recompile the kernel just to redo the initramfs? As mention

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/08/2013 11:59, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:54:25 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >>> 2001 was a good move and a good book too (just finished both again as >>> it turns out). 2010 doesn't quite match up though... >> >> The book and movie were done at the same time, if I remem

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:12:30 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> I to have / on a traditional partition, ext4, and /boot on a small ext2 >> partition. Everything else is on LVM. I don't want a init thingy >> either. I had nightmares with that thing when I used Mandrake years >> ago.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, August 20, 2013 12:51, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-19 10:22 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> Why can't you make it work separately after 205? Because 205 is >> a MAJOR VERSION BUMP on an actively developed program. > > 205 is a major version bump over ... 204? > > Surely you jest? I was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:10:21 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Not really, because make is intelligent enough to no bother > > recompiling anything for which the source has not changed. > > True, but why recompile the kernel just to redo the initramfs? > As mentioned, I don't update/recompile the

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:10:26 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > So, how do/can you *guarantee* that nothing ever gets out of sync? > > You could add a custom postinst function to /etc/portage that would > check whether any of the files included in your initramfs are newer than > the initramfs/kern

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, August 20, 2013 12:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:44:41 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> > The kernel build system can also build the initramfs if you give it >> > the location of the config file. That way the initramfs is built for >> > each kernel, using the currently in

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:57:02 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Unless you want to learn the ins and outs of using an initramfs (and > > having a lot of fun and failed boots in the process), I highly > > recommend using Dracut. It does everything for you. > > What about a previous posters comment that

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-20 2:54 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Unless you want to learn the ins and outs of using an initramfs (and having a lot of fun and failed boots in the process), I highly recommend using Dracut. It does everything for you. What about a previous posters comment that they don;t update

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-19 10:22 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Why can't you make it work separately after 205? Because 205 is a MAJOR VERSION BUMP on an actively developed program. 205 is a major version bump over ... 204? Surely you jest?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:41:12 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > And those adding screen/tmux into the mix can become truly > > unbearable... > > When working remotely on a console, I always use screen. Been bitten too > often by dodgy links that it is a sane safety feature. Same here. My .zshrc st

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:44:41 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > The kernel build system can also build the initramfs if you give it > > the location of the config file. That way the initramfs is built for > > each kernel, using the currently installed versions of the various > > tools. > > Yes, it'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:54:25 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > 2001 was a good move and a good book too (just finished both again as > > it turns out). 2010 doesn't quite match up though... > > The book and movie were done at the same time, if I remember correctly. There's also a book about how t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:12:30 -0500, Dale wrote: > I to have / on a traditional partition, ext4, and /boot on a small ext2 > partition. Everything else is on LVM. I don't want a init thingy > either. I had nightmares with that thing when I used Mandrake years > ago. I can't recall the name of t

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-20 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 08/20/2013 08:54:26 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > On 08/19/2013 04:55:29 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Helmut Jarausch >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > what binaries and libraries have to be put into an i

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-20 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, August 20, 2013 08:06, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 20/08/2013 07:38, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On Mon, August 19, 2013 22:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 19/08/2013 22:32, jo...@antarean.org wrote: > X11, well that's another story and probably way off topic. It was >> designed for hardwa