Re: [gentoo-user] Au revoir, gnome-3.8

2013-08-06 Thread gottlieb
On Tue, Aug 06 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote: > that's only because gnome 3.8 hasn't been stabilized yet. as in, there > are no plans in keeping gnome 2.x available after gnome 3.8 > stabilization. Am I correct in believing that gnome-3.8 (whether in testing as now, or stable later) requires init=s

Re: [gentoo-user] Au revoir, gnome-3.8

2013-08-06 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/08/13 03:38, walt wrote: I was so hot to prove to myself that I could do the Big Update on both systemd and openrc gentoo machines that I didn't spend much time actually *using* gnome-3.8 until yesterday. Have you ever lived or worked in a building during a big remodeling? With most of you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: usb printer disappears on cups upgrade

2013-08-06 Thread William Kenworthy
On 07/08/13 07:48, walt wrote: > On 08/04/2013 09:37 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: >> Am 03.08.2013 04:23, schrieb William Kenworthy: >> >>> Using cups <=1.5.2-r4 I can print ... upgrade to 1.6.2-r* and cups cant >>> see the usb printer. The only errors in the cups log are to do with >>> systemd ser

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> Leaving LC_COLLATE unset will cause strings to be sorted according to >> the normal rules associated with your locale. > > Mike (or anyone else), > > For which applications does settin

[gentoo-user] Au revoir, gnome-3.8

2013-08-06 Thread walt
I was so hot to prove to myself that I could do the Big Update on both systemd and openrc gentoo machines that I didn't spend much time actually *using* gnome-3.8 until yesterday. Have you ever lived or worked in a building during a big remodeling? With most of your living/working space completely

[gentoo-user] Re: usb printer disappears on cups upgrade

2013-08-06 Thread walt
On 08/04/2013 09:37 PM, Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 03.08.2013 04:23, schrieb William Kenworthy: > >> Using cups <=1.5.2-r4 I can print ... upgrade to 1.6.2-r* and cups cant >> see the usb printer. The only errors in the cups log are to do with >> systemd service files which I masked a couple of

Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers cannot access WWW while ping and host utilities work as expected.

2013-08-06 Thread Stroller
On 5 August 2013, at 18:28, Alan McKinnon wrote: > ... > So why change this? Because you can't rely on ethX always being the same > physical hardware. On a firewall or router, you absolutely need to rely > on this. The udev scheme works around this by letting you specify exact > rules that will al

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Stroller
On 6 August 2013, at 14:04, Kerin Millar wrote: > ... > If undefined, the value of LC_COLLATE is inherited from LANG. I'm not sure > that overriding it is particularly useful nowadays but it doesn't hurt. It's been a couple of years since I looked into this, but I'm given to believe that LANG s

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Chris Stankevitz
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: > Is anyone able to run Gnash or Lightspark in Gentoo? I take my 64 bit gentoo laptop everywhere and have never installed flash (or similar) on it. I told youtube that I use HTML5 which gives me access to ~33% of videos. I use virtualbox to r

[gentoo-user] Re: Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/08/13 19:23, hasufell wrote: On 08/06/2013 06:19 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/08/13 17:37, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 08/06/2013 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-06 10:1

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Chris Stankevitz
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > Leaving LC_COLLATE unset will cause strings to be sorted according to > the normal rules associated with your locale. Mike (or anyone else), For which applications does setting LC_COLLATE affect sorting: a) Any C++ application that uses bool

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread hasufell
On 08/06/2013 06:19 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/08/13 17:37, Paul Hartman wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Orlitzky >> wrote: >>> On 08/06/2013 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-06 10:12 AM, Paul Har

[gentoo-user] Re: Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/08/13 17:37, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 08/06/2013 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-06 10:12 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: For youtube you can enable HTML5 mode and avoid flash ent

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-08-06 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 06 Aug 2013 14:14:32 +0100 schrieb Kerin Millar : > On 03/08/2013 15:55, Marc Joliet wrote: > > Am Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:12:01 +0100 > > schrieb Kerin Millar : > > > >> On 31/07/2013 12:31, Marc Joliet wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >>> > >>> There's also "-cpu host", which simply passes you

Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/locale vs /usr/share/locale

2013-08-06 Thread Alexey Mishustin
2013/8/6 Mike Gilbert : > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Alexey Mishustin wrote: >> 2013/8/5 Mike Gilbert : >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexey Mishustin wrote: Hello list, I have noticed today this folder on my laptop: /usr/locale. It contains multiple subfolders-lang

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Chris Stankevitz
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Kerin Millar wrote: > Run "eselect locale", first with the "list" parameter and then the "set" > parameter as appropriate. It's easier. Kerin, all, Thank for your help. SVN (and I'm sure other apps) are happy now. Chris

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> The handbook documents setting a system-wide default locale. You >> generally do this by setting the LANG variable in >> /etc/conf.d/02locale. >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handb

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Tuesday 06 August 2013 09:12:50 Paul Hartman wrote: > For youtube you can enable HTML5 mode and avoid flash entirely for > many videos (but not all). Does not help with other sites but at least > it's something. :) > > http://youtube.com/html5 Yes, of course I enabled it years ago. I still nee

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Kerin Millar
On 06/08/2013 15:26, Bruce Hill wrote: On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 02:40:04PM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: Apparently, "utf8" is the canonical representation in glibc (which provides the locale tool): http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2004/12/msg00028.html That eselect enumerates the locale twic

Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/locale vs /usr/share/locale

2013-08-06 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Alexey Mishustin wrote: > 2013/8/5 Mike Gilbert : >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexey Mishustin wrote: >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I have noticed today this folder on my laptop: /usr/locale. It >>> contains multiple subfolders-languages with LC_MESSAGES. >>> >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/06/2013 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> On 2013-08-06 10:12 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: For youtube you can enable HTML5 mode and avoid flash entirely for many videos

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/06/2013 10:24 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2013-08-06 10:12 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: >>> >>> For youtube you can enable HTML5 mode and avoid flash entirely for >>> many videos (but not all). Does not help with other sites but at least >>> i

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 02:40:04PM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: > > Apparently, "utf8" is the canonical representation in glibc (which > provides the locale tool): > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2004/12/msg00028.html > > That eselect enumerates the locale twice when the alternate form i

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-08-06 10:12 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: >> >> For youtube you can enable HTML5 mode and avoid flash entirely for >> many videos (but not all). Does not help with other sites but at least >> it's something. :) >> >> http://youtube.com/html5 >

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-06 10:12 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: For youtube you can enable HTML5 mode and avoid flash entirely for many videos (but not all). Does not help with other sites but at least it's something. :) http://youtube.com/html5 Interesting... if you do enable HTML5 mode, and still have Flash i

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-06 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/06/2013 07:20 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: On 08/05/2013 05:12 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: On 08/04/2013 11:56 AM, Dale wrote: Anthony G. Basile wrote: I have refrained from flamewars, but I want to reassure people, eudev will not be dropped. I noticed the other day, posted on this th

Re: [gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Pavel Volkov wrote: > Is anyone able to run Gnash or Lightspark in Gentoo? > Now is the second time I tried it (because yesterday I noticed that Gnash > performs not bad in another distro, Trisquel). > I'm on ~amd64. Both Gnash and Lightspark have similar problems i

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Kerin Millar
On 06/08/2013 14:24, Bruce Hill wrote: On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 02:04:00PM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: Legitimate locales are those installed with glibc. These can be shown with either "eselect locale list" or "locale -a". Having never used eselect with locales (AFAIR) before today. Why does "

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 02:04:00PM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: > > Legitimate locales are those installed with glibc. These can be shown > with either "eselect locale list" or "locale -a". Having never used eselect with locales (AFAIR) before today. Why does "locale -a" return utf8? I know UTF-8

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-08-06 Thread Kerin Millar
On 03/08/2013 15:55, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:12:01 +0100 schrieb Kerin Millar : On 31/07/2013 12:31, Marc Joliet wrote: [snip] There's also "-cpu host", which simply passes your CPU through to the guest. That's what I use for my 32 bit WinXP VM. You can use it if you don't

Re: [gentoo-user] export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8

2013-08-06 Thread Kerin Millar
On 05/08/2013 23:52, Chris Stankevitz wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: The handbook documents setting a system-wide default locale. You generally do this by setting the LANG variable in /etc/conf.d/02locale. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?pa

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:10:27 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > I can't remember what it was now, and it may have been avoidable by > > making virtual/udev-206 (or whichever version it was that needed a > > higher udev version than eudev could provide). It's moot now as eudev > > has been updated and po

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

2013-08-06 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 08/05/2013 05:12 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 08/04/2013 11:56 AM, Dale wrote: >> Anthony G. Basile wrote: >>> >>> I have refrained from flamewars, but I want to reassure people, eudev >>> will not be dropped. >>> >> >> I noticed the other day, posted on this thread by the way, that it left

[gentoo-user] [SOLVED] QEMU guest fs is coming up read-only

2013-08-06 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 11:00:10AM +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote > Run qemu under screen with the flag -curses. Then scroll the screen up > like so: > # screen > # qemu -curses myimage.qcow2 > Then use Ctrl-a ESC to enter scroll mode. PageUP will take you to the > kernel log when vm starts. Thank you

Re: [gentoo-user] QEMU guest fs is coming up read-only

2013-08-06 Thread Kfir Lavi
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I've got a 32-bit QEMU Gentoo guest on my machine. For some reason, > it comes up readonly, and other partitions aren't being mounted. > Unfortunately, the initial messages flash by so quickly I can't read > them to get an idea of what's go

[gentoo-user] Killing Adobe Flash

2013-08-06 Thread Pavel Volkov
Is anyone able to run Gnash or Lightspark in Gentoo? Now is the second time I tried it (because yesterday I noticed that Gnash performs not bad in another distro, Trisquel). I'm on ~amd64. Both Gnash and Lightspark have similar problems in Firefox and Chromium. Youtube videos stop and twitch, sound

[gentoo-user] QEMU guest fs is coming up read-only

2013-08-06 Thread Walter Dnes
I've got a 32-bit QEMU Gentoo guest on my machine. For some reason, it comes up readonly, and other partitions aren't being mounted. Unfortunately, the initial messages flash by so quickly I can't read them to get an idea of what's going wrong. Since /usr isn't mounted, "less" isn't available.