On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:15:19AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote
> I've been getting the following "Ping-ponging" of fltk for maybe a
> couple weeks now.
>
> What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
> slotted.
>
> When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot
On Mar 30, 2012 9:14 AM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote:
>
>8 snip
>
> splashutils, which is the package dracut uses to generate a boot splash
> image, has a lot of dependencies but requires they all be built
> USE=static-libs. Plymouth, which does animated boot splash, is a bit
worse;
> it install
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:04 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting
> software to /sbin rather than initramfs?
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:35:36 -0400, Michael Mol
On 03/29/2012 09:18 PM, walt wrote:
Fresh gentoo install on new lenovo desktop. Both linux and win7
(lenovo installed) tell me that this machine has two audio devices:
00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek HDMI
Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series]
Fresh gentoo install on new lenovo desktop. Both linux and win7
(lenovo installed) tell me that this machine has two audio devices:
00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek HDMI
Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series]
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 3625
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:35:36 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> Fine. NFS clients. Samba clients. Crypto. SSHFS. NTFS-3g. Security
> auditing. Virtualization tools. Perl, python or whatever is necessary
> to handle some case which required scripting. X. Graphics loading
> libraries. Cupsd, because some g
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Hung Dang wrote:
> On 03/29/2012 09:18 PM, walt wrote:
>>
>> Fresh gentoo install on new lenovo desktop. Both linux and win7
>> (lenovo installed) tell me that this machine has two audio devices:
>>
>> 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Bea
On 29/03/2012, at 20:01, David W Noon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
>> David W Noon wrote:
> [snip]
>>> The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. T
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:55:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I don't think I agree with Neil in that this is a udev design flaw (as
> any "fix" will be worse than the "flaw"). Instead it looks to me like
> a classic case of
>
> "You are free to do anything you want but if you break it you keep the
On 29/03/2012, at 22:04, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:51:44 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>>> try tuxonice - allows you to suspend to a file on disk as well as ram
>>> or swap. Added bonus is its much more robust than in-kernel, and the
>>> dev (Nigel) is very responsive if he
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:35:36 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> >> Don't forget boot-time X-based animation, too. That's an
> >> extraordinarily common feature of mainstream desktop distributions.
> >> And there will be other things, I'm sure.
> >
> > I don't get involved with those, but I'd hope somet
> From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
> OK, semantics. Let me re-phrase:
>
> Why is a third party script, running in the context of the udev universe,
> indiscriminately allowed to launch daemons at early boot time?
>
> I don't think I agree with Neil in that this is a udev desi
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
> I had to reboot so I made a new init thingy with the -H switch. It works in
> Console but nothing root works in KDE. I get the same error.
> Heck, Konsole won't even try to come up much less ask for my password.
> Krusader asks for password and says th
Todd Goodman wrote:
> * Dale [120329 16:22]:
>> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>>> Can you try doing
>>>
>>> dracut -H /boot/initramfs-
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> The man page from dracut says that -H is for the "current host"
>>> instead of a "generic host". Maybe the "generic host" configuration is
>>> m
On 2012-03-29 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest - she was
> the bimbo who announced to the room whenever the computer went bing
:-D
An underrated movie which contains a lot of geek and "Star Trek"/"SciFi
in general" parody... Thumbs up! :-D
* Dale [120329 16:22]:
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> > Can you try doing
> >
> > dracut -H /boot/initramfs-
> >
> > ??
> >
> > The man page from dracut says that -H is for the "current host"
> > instead of a "generic host". Maybe the "generic host" configuration is
> > messing up something
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:49 +0100
David W Noon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
> > David W Noon wrote:
> [snip]
> > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing j
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:05:30 +0200
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 29/03/12, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
> > David W Noon wrote:
>
> > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason
> > > is that many of the daemons that can be started by udev
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Dale wrote:
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> Can you try doing
>>
>> dracut -H /boot/initramfs-
>>
>> ??
>>
>> The man page from dracut says that -H is for the "current host"
>> instead of a "generic host". Maybe the "generic host" configuration is
>> messing up s
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Can you try doing
>
> dracut -H /boot/initramfs-
>
> ??
>
> The man page from dracut says that -H is for the "current host"
> instead of a "generic host". Maybe the "generic host" configuration is
> messing up something with su that your actual host configuration
>
On 2012-03-29 20:06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect, it will be
> better than mine :)
I'll be sure to let you know if I find "perfection"... Perhaps an AI
system that takes care of it self and serves me drinks (with or
without an umbrella) while I lay o
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:13:40 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Neil Bothwick
>> wrote:
>
>> >> I'll articulate a few. (i) The initramfs involves having two copies
>> >> of lots of software around.
>> >
>> > Lo
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:13:40 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Neil Bothwick
> wrote:
> >> I'll articulate a few. (i) The initramfs involves having two copies
> >> of lots of software around.
> >
> > Lots? For most people busybox is enough! If you want encrypted
> >
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
> Hi, Mike.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:24:14AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > > From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
>
> > > Hi, Alan.
>
> > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:31 +0200, pk wrote:
> But this is quite pointless (my whining)
> since, as someone else mentioned, "code talks...". Perhaps some day I
> can find the time to hack my own solution (which of course will be
> perfection ;-) ).
I wait with bated breath. Even if less than per
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:29:11 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > It's already happened here. My kernel mounts / and /usr thanks to the
> > inbuilt initramfs
>
> That's exactly what I didn't mean, and I think you might have been aware
> of that.
Maybe, but it does fit your description.
> What I d
J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
> On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>
>> Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do
>> updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue!
>
> I wonder how many threads we'll get with "I haven't updated my Gentoo for
> over a year, how do
Evening, Neil.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 05:35:35PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:56:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I think I have the elegant solution: that would be for the kernel to be
> > able to mount several partitions at system initialisation rather than
> > just
On 2012-03-29 01:20, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I'm in favour of /bin and /lib, and I see the pros and cons of
> /sbin and am not too bothered about how that is done. But having
> two (or more) of each of these is an artificial mess that is a
> solution to a problem that
As I said, it's a matter o
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:56:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
>> > Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered
>> > "ugly" except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague,
>> > unarticulated grounds.
>>
>> I'll art
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:08:40 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon
> wrote:
[snip]
> > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is
> > that many of the daemons that can be started by
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:56:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered
> > "ugly" except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague,
> > unarticulated grounds.
>
> I'll articulate a few. (i) The initramfs involves having two copies
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>
>> > That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The
>> > split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things
>> > in different boxes based on their
Hi, Mike.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:24:14AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
> > Hi, Alan.
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
> > > Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Why is nobody else o
Hello list,
this is my first posting to this mailinglist since I recently switched
to Gentoo. I worked a few years with ArchLinux, then dumped it for
FreeBSD and - due to getting a new Laptop (Thinkpad X220) - I
considered switching back to Linux. So, here I am.
I tried to install haskell
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> > That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The
> > split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things
> > in different boxes based on their function is good practice. Doing it
> > based on some arbitra
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
>
>> There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely
>> disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a
>> platform, is *dying*.
>
> It's not dying, it's e
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
>> David W Noon wrote:
> [snip]
>> > With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could w
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:51:44 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > try tuxonice - allows you to suspend to a file on disk as well as ram
> > or swap. Added bonus is its much more robust than in-kernel, and the
> > dev (Nigel) is very responsive if help or bugfixes (usually for new
> > kernel versions) a
On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do
> updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue!
I wonder how many threads we'll get with "I haven't updated my Gentoo for
over a year, how do I best do the upgrade?" from people fo
On Thu, March 29, 2012 12:40 pm, wdk@moriah wrote:
>
>
> On 29/03/2012, at 17:35, "J. Roeleveld" wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, March 19, 2012 3:56 pm, Alex Schuster wrote:
>>> William Kenworthy writes:
>>>
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>
> My laptop has used
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:05:30 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> > Why on earth is udev launching daemons in EARLY BOOT?
>
> udev launches nothing. udev scripts do. These scripts are not part of
> udev.
That is true, but udev provides no control over when these scripts are
run. udev starts in ear
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:33:50 +0200, Willie WY Wong wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:43:00PM +0100, Penguin Lover David W Noon
> squawked:
> > In that case, the source of the breakage is almost certainly
> > Portage.
> >
> > If a slo
The 29/03/12, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
> David W Noon wrote:
> > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is
> > that many of the daemons that can be started by udev scripts require
> > work files on /var, so we could well need /var mounte
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
> David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
> > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is
> > that many of the daemons that can be start
On 29/03/2012, at 17:35, "J. Roeleveld" wrote:
>
> On Mon, March 19, 2012 3:56 pm, Alex Schuster wrote:
>> William Kenworthy writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just
fine, a
On Sun, March 18, 2012 8:30 am, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>
>>> initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
>>> with / on a RAID6, not because I needed
On Mon, March 19, 2012 3:56 pm, Alex Schuster wrote:
> William Kenworthy writes:
>
>> On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> > My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just
>> > fine, as it does my media center.
>
>> Genkernel doesnt, bugs and wo
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:43:00PM +0100, Penguin Lover David W Noon squawked:
> In that case, the source of the breakage is almost certainly Portage.
>
> If a slotted package is in the world file without a slot specification,
> Portage should really take that to mean "all installed slots are
> re
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely
> disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a
> platform, is *dying*.
It's not dying, it's evolving - with the associated growing pains. Of
course, that's n
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:16:30 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary, it is a
> > simple cpio archive that you can unpack and inspect. If you want
> > total control, build your own, it is not rocket science.
> You sure about that? I have tried building o
I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is.
allan
ajglap gottlieb # fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 b
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100
David W Noon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
> > David W Noon wrote:
> [snip]
> > > With the pending changes to udev scripts, yo
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