On Mar 15, 2012 11:22 AM, "Alan Mackenzie" wrote:
>
> Hi, Gentoo.
>
> Yes, I've got Gnome going under mdev. Thanks to Mike Edenfield for the
> tip about needing to configure things in xorg.conf.
>
> Here's how I did it:
>
> (i) Rebuild xorg-server without udev.
> * Insert this line into /etc/pac
Hi, Gentoo.
Yes, I've got Gnome going under mdev. Thanks to Mike Edenfield for the
tip about needing to configure things in xorg.conf.
Here's how I did it:
(i) Rebuild xorg-server without udev.
* Insert this line into /etc/package.use:
x11-base/xorg-server -udev
* build the progra
Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote
>
>> Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth
>> software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.).
>
> I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank
>
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:43 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
> I am trying to get my system(s) ready for the new (read crappy) way
> mandated by udev and am having some issues.
>
> I usually manually compile my kernels, use tuxonice and dont use an
> initrd/initramfs.
>
> As ToI is not available for
On Mar 15, 2012 8:19 AM, "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:20:48PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
> > Hi, Gentoo.
> >
> > As I've said a few times in the current threads, the only thing
> > preventing me from moving fully onto mdev is not having a working
> > keyboard and mouse (evd
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:20:48PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
> Hi, Gentoo.
>
> As I've said a few times in the current threads, the only thing
> preventing me from moving fully onto mdev is not having a working
> keyboard and mouse (evdev??) under X.
>
> Has anybody else tried this, and if so,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote
> Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth
> software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.).
I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank
you, on ICEWM.
> He seems to
Hello,
my neighbor gave me the notebook. First, I installed Sabayon, as a test.
Now i has installed direct Gentoo and the Xorg.Server. When i run Xorg
-configure and test the config i become error messages.
No Screen found and No devices detected. On the system run a gen Kernel,
because i not kn
This reference I found:
http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=uclinux-dist:mdev
Can someone look into it? It seems that uclinux defaults to using mdev
instead of udev, and the page provides interesting ... things we can try,
e.g., "mdev -s", plug/unplug helper script, etc.
Rgds,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 05:56:34PM +, Stroller wrote
> I'm assuming, then, that you're happy opening a terminal and typing
> `mkdir /mnt/diskname` and mounting the device every time you plug a
> new disk in? Wouldn't it just be nice to plug in your USB devices -
> hard-drives and flash drives
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:09:33PM -0600, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>
>> You could use an use-expand variable, like INPUT_DEVICES or
>> VIDEO_CARDS for xorg-drivers, or DRACUT_MODULES for dracut. It sounds
>> like the smart thing to do.
>
>
On Mar 15, 2012 3:52 AM, "Alan Mackenzie" wrote:
>
> Hi, Gentoo.
>
> As I've said a few times in the current threads, the only thing
> preventing me from moving fully onto mdev is not having a working
> keyboard and mouse (evdev??) under X.
>
> Has anybody else tried this, and if so, what results
On Mar 15, 2012 7:04 AM, "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:09:33PM -0600, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>
> > You could use an use-expand variable, like INPUT_DEVICES or
> > VIDEO_CARDS for xorg-drivers, or DRACUT_MODULES for dracut. It sounds
> > like the smart thing to do.
>
> T
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:09:33PM -0600, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
> You could use an use-expand variable, like INPUT_DEVICES or
> VIDEO_CARDS for xorg-drivers, or DRACUT_MODULES for dracut. It sounds
> like the smart thing to do.
The VIDEO_CARDS variable might be "RADEON", but there are man
On 15/03/2012, at 0:54, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:28 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
>> On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 14:27 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>>> On 03/14/2012 04:49 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
According to the docs I have found you need to patch genkernel
On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2012-03-12, Stroller wrote:
> > On 12 March 2012, at 14:59, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
> >>> On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller wrote:
> On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr
On 2012-03-14 20:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Actually, a Lego brick is a good analogy for mdev (in its current
> state). It's a beautiful toy; but again, nobody has pointed out how to
> make it work with bluetooth devices, for example. From Walt's mail
> (his words, not mine):
You're complet
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:28 PM
> This email [1] (and the correction email right afterwards) should give some
> much-needed perspective on
> why we're driving full-speed toward an overturned manure truck (which some of
> us, e.g., Walter a
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:15:52PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote
>
>> Wouldn't a good solution be to have the ebuild modified to only
>> install those binary blobs you actually need? Eg. similar to how
>> apache or sane modules are configured?
>
>
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:16:20PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
> There's a difference between "needed by portage" and "doesn't work under
> mdev". As I say, it will all be moot if the evdev driver won't work
> under mdev.
I don't have x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev installed and my desktops
work
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:15:52PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote
> Wouldn't a good solution be to have the ebuild modified to only
> install those binary blobs you actually need? Eg. similar to how
> apache or sane modules are configured?
The tarball on the AMD website has all the binary blobs bun
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:21 AM
> As I've said a few times in the current threads, the only thing preventing
me
> from moving fully onto mdev is not having a working keyboard and mouse
> (evdev??) under X.
>
> Has anybody else tried this, an
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:13 PM
> BUT, in the same message, it is stated that Xorg *can* be compiled to *not*
> try to communicate with udev.
> I suspect a similar situation with Gnome.
IIRC, GNOME only needs udev for auto-mount support. gv
Hi, Gentoo.
As I've said a few times in the current threads, the only thing
preventing me from moving fully onto mdev is not having a working
keyboard and mouse (evdev??) under X.
Has anybody else tried this, and if so, what results have you had?
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:04 PM
> Huh? What's that to do with udev? You're talking at far too high a level
of
> abstraction. The new hardware will "just work" if there are the correct
> drivers built in. That's as true of udev as it is of mdev
On 2012-03-14 19:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> BIOS is going the way of the dodo too, but that's besides the point.
> I'm actually quite happy with the Linux bluetooth stack (which, if I'm
> not mistaken, is used by Android). I have several bluetooth thingies,
> they all work great.
Sorry, but
Good evening, Stroller.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 05:56:34PM +, Stroller wrote:
> On 13 March 2012, at 22:20, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > …
> >> udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
> >> network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on
> >> d
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
[ huge snip ]
> Each time, you've acted as though the new stance is what you've been
> arguing from all along, but because you haven't communicated that,
> it's impossible to reasonably discuss specifics in practicality. I
> think I'm done with
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 15, 2012 1:22 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés"
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> > >8 snip
>> >
>> >>
>> >> That if
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Canek
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06
On Mar 15, 2012 2:24 AM, "Pandu Poluan" wrote:
>
> Here's a prototype script to ensure that certain NICs will always end up
the way you want it named:
>
#!/bin/sh
mac="$( cat /proc/net/arp | awk -V dev="$MDEV" 'NR==1{next} $6==dev {print
$4}')"
name="$(cat /etc/nic.conf | awk -V mac="$mac" '$1==m
On Mar 15, 2012 1:22 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés"
wrote:
> >>
> >
> > >8 snip
> >
> >>
> >> That if I connect a USB wi-fi dongle, and it appears with the name
> >> wlan23, I
On 03/14/12 14:23, Jarry wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my question might seem silly, but I have reason for it:
> I have heard there is way to auto-reboot linux after kernel
> panic using "kernel.panic=" in /etc/sysctl.conf.
>
> This might come handy as my server is far from me and I do
> not have any remote c
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> Hello, Canek
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my question might seem silly, but I have reason for it:
> I have heard there is way to auto-reboot linux after kernel
> panic using "kernel.panic=" in /etc/sysctl.conf.
>
> This might come handy as my server is far from me and I do
> not ha
Hi,
my question might seem silly, but I have reason for it:
I have heard there is way to auto-reboot linux after kernel
panic using "kernel.panic=" in /etc/sysctl.conf.
This might come handy as my server is far from me and I do
not have any remote console. But I would like to test it
and see if
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>>
>
> >8 snip
>
>>
>> That if I connect a USB wi-fi dongle, and it appears with the name
>> wlan23, I want *every* time that dongle to have the wlan23 name .Good
>> luck doing th
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Hello, Canek
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>> > The new hardware wil
On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>
>8 snip
>
> That if I connect a USB wi-fi dongle, and it appears with the name
> wlan23, I want *every* time that dongle to have the wlan23 name .Good
> luck doing that without a database.
>
That could -- should -- be handled by a sc
On 13 March 2012, at 22:20, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> …
>> udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
>> network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on
>> device rules.
>
> This is where I start getting unhappy. Is there any need for this
> blurri
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Canek
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
>> > The new hardware will "just work" if there are the correct drivers
>> >built in. That's
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:28 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 14:27 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> On 03/14/2012 04:49 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
>> > According to the docs I have found you need to patch genkernel to
>> > run /sbin/resume - it was a longstanding argument
On Mar 14, 2012 11:19 PM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote:
>
> > From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54
> From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> > > The idea of trying to
On Mar 14, 2012 10:20 PM, "Alan Mackenzie" wrote:
>
>8 snippage
>
> Walter is, I believe, mistaken here. I can mount and use my LVM2
> partitions. Gnome looks like it comes up OK, but that could be moot,
> since right now I haven't got keyboard/mouse drivers under the X server.
>
This po
On Mar 14, 2012 10:30 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tanstaafl
wrote:
> > On 2012-03-13 8:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >>
> >> You want it simple? Tha'ts fine, it is possible. It's just that it
> >> will not solve the general problem, just a very specific s
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2012-03-13 8:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> You want it simple? Tha'ts fine, it is possible. It's just that it
>> will not solve the general problem, just a very specific subset of it.
>> Just as mdev is doing; Walt just posted an e
On 2012-03-13 8:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
You want it simple? Tha'ts fine, it is possible. It's just that it
will not solve the general problem, just a very specific subset of it.
Just as mdev is doing; Walt just posted an email explaining that if
you use GNOME, KDE, XFCE, or LVM2, mdev
Hello, Canek
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > The new hardware will "just work" if there are the correct drivers
> >built in. That's as true of udev as it is of mdev as it is of the old
> >static /d
On Mar 14, 2012 9:45 PM, "Alan Mackenzie" wrote:
>
> Hi, Walter.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
>
> > > I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may
replace
> > > udev then the udev dev c
Hi, Walter.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
> > I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
> > udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
> > distros. I'm
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 14:27 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> On 03/14/2012 04:49 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > According to the docs I have found you need to patch genkernel to
> > run /sbin/resume - it was a longstanding argument between two now
> > retired devs with the result that genkernel
Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
>
>> I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
>> udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
>> distros. I'm giving mdev some thought here. I want /usr on LVM which
Sebastian Pipping schrieb am [Di, 13.03.2012 20:32]:
> Please report this as a bug on https://bugs.gentoo.org/ .
>
> You could give libgcrypt 1.5.0-r2 a try. Please add to the bug report,
> if the problem persists with libgcrypt 1.5.0-r2 or not.
>
> Thanks!
I solved the problem with the help o
On 03/14/2012 04:49 AM, William Kenworthy wrote:
> According to the docs I have found you need to patch genkernel to
> run /sbin/resume - it was a longstanding argument between two now
> retired devs with the result that genkernel wont (ever) support
> hibernation. I dont know from reading the bug
On Tue, March 13, 2012 9:45 pm, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I've also found one
> situation where I need to take one extra step to run without udev. I
> have a laptop with a Radeon GPU that requires a binary blob for the
> video driver. emerging radeon-ucode downloads a whole slew of binary
> blobs,
V Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:24:47 -0500
Michael Sullivan napsáno:
> I feel really stupid asking this, but I want to use an HDMI component
> to output one of my PCs to the TV set. I've followed all of the wiki
> entry at http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/DisplayLink, but there's
> something else I need to kn
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:43:54 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > udev is not a device node system, it is a device manager. Requiring
> > drivers to handle it gets us into the same mess as Windows, where each
> > driver has to implement the same functionality itself. If a new modem
> > is released wit
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 00:26 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:20 AM, William Kenworthy
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 11:49 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 11:13 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> >> > I am trying to get my system(s) read
The 13/03/12, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
>
> So, what qualifies for "the moment a "fringe" program reaches critical mass
> to become "maistream", the probability of it needing udev (directly or
> indirectly) will increase."
>
> Again, quoting _your_ definition.
>
> I gave you examples of programs wh
Am 13.03.2012 23:17, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:13:33 +0100
> "Stefan G. Weichinger" wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> No bugreport yet, and I rebuilt and revdeped
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>
> I'm thinking you hit send before typing up the bit where you say what
> th
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