Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I am naturally grumpy. Wonder what I am? Then again, does it mat

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [gentoo-user] PulseAudio 1.0-r1 + Skype ==> Garbled output sound

2011-09-29 Thread Spidey / Claudio
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 15:57, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Arun Raghavan > wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 02:56 -0300, Spidey / Claudio wrote: > > [...] > >> My bad, hadn't synced yet before that post. I'll test it throughly and > >> tomorrow (today, 29/09) I'll give

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey: >>> On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> I am naturally grumpy. >> > > Wonder what I am?  Then again, does it matter?  Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: which is your own fucking fault. Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved. Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, o

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/29/2011 09:42 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > Several days ago I did raise my concern on this behavior when I noticed > that emerge wants to downgrade my hardened-sources. Although I'm using > ~amd64, I draw the line on 3.0 and specified ~2.6.39. > > Now I'm forced to maintain a private/pers

Re: [gentoo-user] no sound with pulseaudio

2011-09-29 Thread Spidey / Claudio
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:51, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tamer Higazi > wrote: > > Am 29.09.2011 01:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Tamer Higazi > wrote: > >>> Am 29.09.2011 00:03, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > On

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 30, 2011 1:10 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hi, Gentoo! > > > > Why are there so many packages whose versions never become stable? By > > "many", I mean here at least two. :-) > > > > These are the kernel and Firefox. > > > > My k

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Adam Carter
>> Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive. > > It is? You could have fooled me Sorry - I meant being grumpy is seductive for the grumpy person. Its pretty much the opposite for the people they interact with, as you imply.

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 30, 2011 2:45 AM, "Niccolò Belli" wrote: > > Il 29/09/2011 21:38, Michael Mol ha scritto: > >> Upstream underwent a massive shift in their release pattern which >> results in a great deal more work for anyone who needs to vet the >> software before it gets redistributed. > > > No, they don'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 30 September 2011 01:45:39 Adam Carter wrote: > Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive. It is? You could have fooled me -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Qemu dead?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/29/11 16:07, Matthew Finkel wrote: > > $ cat /usr/bin/kvm > #!/bin/sh > exec /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm "$@" > > > But I was under the impression you can only use -enable-kvm if you have > KVM built into the kernel/load the module. > It will spit out a warni

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Adam Carter
>> > which is your own fucking fault. >> > >> > Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved. >> >> Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at >> it? > > I am naturally grumpy. Yeah we've noticed ;) I like reading your posts because you know stuff, and I like th

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Adam Carter
>> How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support >> 1075T and Linux support is awesome? > > most probably they will just work. I've just built a machine based on GA-880-GM-UD2H that I bought a couple of years ago, and it works well. It supports 1090T and 1100T, which you s

Re: [gentoo-user] OT - krdc full screen view does not allow remote windows' task bar interaction

2011-09-29 Thread Alex Schuster
fra...@gmail.com writes: > When I move the mouse down to the task bar area, the mouse pointer > changes from the remote machine native shape to the local desktop shape, > showing visually the fact that I can not click on any task bar icons. Does the same happen when using rdesktop? Wonko

[gentoo-user] OT - krdc full screen view does not allow remote windows' task bar interaction

2011-09-29 Thread frares
Hi, I am running krdc to use some MSWindows programs in another computer. As some of them are pretty CPU intensive, I prefer to do it this way rather than using a virtual machine. Besides this, I did not want to bother to install everything again. When I move the mouse down to the task ba

Re: [gentoo-user] Magic SysRq didn't work today

2011-09-29 Thread Niccolò Belli
Il 29/09/2011 00:04, Mark Knecht ha scritto: For the first time in a couple of years I had a total hard hang You are lucky, it happened tons of times to me.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Qemu dead?

2011-09-29 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 09/28/2011 10:42 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > > > Doh! > > > > I had forgotten there was a seperate kvm-enabled build of Qemu. I'll > > have to give that a try. > > > > You can use qemu-kvm whether or not you have a kernel/CPU with KVM

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Niccolò Belli
Il 29/09/2011 21:38, Michael Mol ha scritto: Upstream underwent a massive shift in their release pattern which results in a great deal more work for anyone who needs to vet the software before it gets redistributed. No, they don't: there will be long term support releases suitable for distros.

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
2011/9/29 Niccolò Belli : > Il 29/09/2011 20:56, Michael Orlitzky ha scritto: >> >> Firefox (>= 4) and the kernel (>= 3) are special cases, already >> explained by Michael Mol. > > I know of the problems with 3.x kernels, but what's the problem with > firefox? Upstream underwent a massive shift in

Re: [gentoo-user] Magic SysRq didn't work today

2011-09-29 Thread Mick
On Thursday 29 Sep 2011 18:35:13 Spidey / Claudio wrote: > Deleting files were slow as hell too. Hmm ... no, not here. Reiser4 pretty much blew the doors off anything else I have ever used in Linux land. (I have not tried btrfs yet). I can't even blame reiser4 for the 'temperamental' behaviour

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Niccolò Belli
Il 29/09/2011 20:56, Michael Orlitzky ha scritto: Firefox (>= 4) and the kernel (>= 3) are special cases, already explained by Michael Mol. I know of the problems with 3.x kernels, but what's the problem with firefox?

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/29/2011 01:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Gentoo! > > Why are there so many packages whose versions never become stable? By > "many", I mean here at least two. :-) > > These are the kernel and Firefox. > > My kernel is currently 2.6.39-gentoo-r3, built on July 18. By examining > ebu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Dale
James wrote: Nilesh Govindarajan nileshgr.com> writes: These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L& 880GM-USB3 Dunno. How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support 1075T and Linux support is awesome?

Re: [gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Gentoo! > > Why are there so many packages whose versions never become stable?  By > "many", I mean here at least two.  :-) > > These are the kernel and Firefox. > > My kernel is currently 2.6.39-gentoo-r3, built on July 18.  By examinin

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:57:25 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote about [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior: > Default function arguments in C are specified like this: > > int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function > > Now I save that in a file called foo.c > > The above piece of code is valid

[gentoo-user] What's with the stability pact?

2011-09-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Gentoo! Why are there so many packages whose versions never become stable? By "many", I mean here at least two. :-) These are the kernel and Firefox. My kernel is currently 2.6.39-gentoo-r3, built on July 18. By examining ebuilds, I now see that the ~amd64 is already up to 3.0.4-r1. I've

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Thu 29 Sep 2011 11:13:54 PM IST, Todd Goodman wrote: > * Nilesh Govindarajan [110929 13:33]: >> Default function arguments in C are specified like this: >> >> int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function > > No they're not. C doesn't have default function arguments. > >> >> Now I save that

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Todd Goodman wrote: > * Nilesh Govindarajan [110929 13:33]: >> Default function arguments in C are specified like this: >> >> int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function > > No they're not.  C doesn't have default function arguments. That's another problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Thu 29 Sep 2011 11:10:00 PM IST, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan > wrote: >> Default function arguments in C are specified like this: >> >> int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function >> >> Now I save that in a file called foo.c >> >> The above pie

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread Todd Goodman
* Nilesh Govindarajan [110929 13:33]: > Default function arguments in C are specified like this: > > int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function No they're not. C doesn't have default function arguments. > > Now I save that in a file called foo.c > > The above piece of code is valid in

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Default function arguments in C are specified like this: > > int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function > > Now I save that in a file called foo.c > > The above piece of code is valid in C as well as C++ > > Now see this: > > nile

Re: [gentoo-user] Magic SysRq didn't work today

2011-09-29 Thread Spidey / Claudio
Deleting files were slow as hell too. Claudio Roberto França Pereira (a.k.a. Spidey) hardMOB - HTForum - @spideybr Engenharia de Computação - UFES 2006/1 On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:39, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 29 Sep 2011 04:40:15 Spidey / Claudio wrote: >> I have lived through some lock ups

[gentoo-user] Strange GCC behavior

2011-09-29 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
Default function arguments in C are specified like this: int func(int a = 10) {} // just a dummy function Now I save that in a file called foo.c The above piece of code is valid in C as well as C++ Now see this: nilesh@Linux ~ $ cat /tmp/foo.c int func(int a = 1) {} nilesh@Linux ~ $ gcc /tmp/f

Re: [gentoo-user] emake die by compling

2011-09-29 Thread Carlos Sura
On 28 September 2011 15:12, Alex Sla <4k3...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Alex Sla <4k3...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Todd Goodman wrote: >> >>> * Florian Philipp [110928 16:05]: >>> > Am 28.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Alex Sl

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Development framework with access restriction?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/29/2011 04:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:23:30 -0700, Grant wrote: > >> For some reason I thought SFTP would provide access control but now >> I'm thinking it's just like SSH in that access control is based on >> file ownership and permissions? If that's the case, can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Qemu dead?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/28/2011 10:42 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > Doh! > > I had forgotten there was a seperate kvm-enabled build of Qemu. I'll > have to give that a try. > You can use qemu-kvm whether or not you have a kernel/CPU with KVM support: $ cat /usr/bin/kvm #!/bin/sh exec /usr/bin/qemu-system-

[gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards: > >> >> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable >> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that >> Linux has compared with the BSD kern

[gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards: > >> >> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable >> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that >> Linux has compared with the BSD kern

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards: > >> >> Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable >> to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that >> Linux has compared

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'. During what timeframe? There have been massive Linux API breakages in 2004. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni)

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 23:24:41 schrieb Nilesh Govindarajan: > I'll be soon getting a new desktop. > I've fixed the CPU as AMD Phenom II 1075T > > These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above > processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3 > > How good is Lin

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey: > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > which is your own fucking fault. > > > > Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved. > > Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards: > > Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable > to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that > Linux has compared with the BSD kernels. Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.

Re: [gentoo-user] X hang / occasionally after using LVM

2011-09-29 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 09:11:09 schrieb J.Marcos Sitorus: > Hi Volker, > Thanks for the reply. > I have attach dmesg, xorg log, xsession-error, and kdm log. > > >So - get back to your last working versions - oh and those lvm volumes are > > on > new disks? > Nope. Previously I have two

Re: [gentoo-user] no sound with pulseaudio

2011-09-29 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote: > Am 29.09.2011 01:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote: >>> Am 29.09.2011 00:03, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote: > Am 28.09.20

[gentoo-user] Re: Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread James
Nilesh Govindarajan nileshgr.com> writes: > These two motherboards came to my notice which support the above > processor: Gigabyte 880GM - GA 880GM-USB3L & 880GM-USB3 Dunno. > How good is Linux support with those? If bad, what other mobos support > 1075T and Linux support is awesome? I'm post

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Dale
Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On 09/29/2011 08:18 AM, Dale wrote: As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel. It shouldn't matter much whether it is Gentoo, Redhat, Debian or any other distro. It just matters that the kernel supports the hardware. I would imagine that anything listed t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT but interesting nonetheless...

2011-09-29 Thread Indi
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 02:44:06PM +, James wrote: > > The kernel gyrations are all really about something much more important. > *MONEY* > > ...Commercial distros like Apple's offering are making > billions. OS X is not a linux distribution. It uses the xnu kernel, which fuses elements of

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Dale wrote: Dale makes note of the thing faster than light. Maybe I will get to live longer now. lol I get about 7 to 8 years out of a build. So, I just went from say 16 more years to say 24 or so. At my age with my health, I need all t

Re: [gentoo-user] emake die by compling

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Alex Sla <4k3...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Alex Sla <4k3...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > I just read in the Internet something about 1.2 -> 1.4 should i do this >> > like >> > th

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Dale wrote: > Spidey / Claudio wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:34, Pandu Poluan  wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM, "Dale"  wrote: >>> As a general rule, hardware support is in the kernel.  It shouldn't matter much whether it is Gentoo,

Re: [gentoo-user] emake die by compling

2011-09-29 Thread Alex Sla
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Alex Sla <4k3...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Alex Sla <4k3...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Todd Goodman > wrote: > >>> > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating from single disk to software raid1

2011-09-29 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Thu 29 Sep 2011 05:02:40 PM IST, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 29.09.2011 11:00, schrieb Adam Carter: >> Sanity check please gurus :) >> I've installed the new disks, partitioned them and created the md >> devices, which are now syncing. The kernel already has all the modules >> built in. I believ

Re: [gentoo-user] Motherboard support?

2011-09-29 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 09/29/2011 08:18 AM, Dale wrote: > Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >> On Thu 29 Sep 2011 06:42:42 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >>> >>> That's debian HCL, what about Gentoo? We compile the kernel ourselves >>> man. >>> It would be better if we don't use debian/Ubuntu HCL to decide HW for >>> oth

Re: [gentoo-user] Magic SysRq didn't work today

2011-09-29 Thread Mick
On Thursday 29 Sep 2011 04:40:15 Spidey / Claudio wrote: > I have lived through some lock ups in the recent past, but that's > because I've disassembled my desktop from it's case and assembled it > at my working table. Since both PS/2 ports of the mobo are on my mouse > pad (yeah, short cables, tig

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating from single disk to software raid1

2011-09-29 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 29.09.2011 11:00, schrieb Adam Carter: > Sanity check please gurus :) > I've installed the new disks, partitioned them and created the md > devices, which are now syncing. The kernel already has all the modules > built in. I believe the next steps are; > 1 mkfs the md devices > 2 copy the partit

Re: [gentoo-user] no sound with pulseaudio

2011-09-29 Thread Tamer Higazi
You are absolutely right! when I added asound.conf again, all alsa sources are directed to pulseaudio and again no sound. I am not an expert with pulseaudio. If you can help me there, I would thank you. In the meanwhile I will see how to get it handled. As I got it (hopefully) solved, I will repo

[gentoo-user] Migrating from single disk to software raid1

2011-09-29 Thread Adam Carter
Sanity check please gurus :) I've installed the new disks, partitioned them and created the md devices, which are now syncing. The kernel already has all the modules built in. I believe the next steps are; 1 mkfs the md devices 2 copy the partitions from the current disk to the mirror 3 edit fstab

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Development framework with access restriction?

2011-09-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:23:30 -0700, Grant wrote: > For some reason I thought SFTP would provide access control but now > I'm thinking it's just like SSH in that access control is based on > file ownership and permissions? If that's the case, can anyone think > of a better way to control remote ac

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Development framework with access restriction?

2011-09-29 Thread Mick
On Thursday 29 Sep 2011 07:57:49 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > >> The problem with that is he will need to test his code in the working > >> system. > > why in the production system? > > >>I need a way for him to be able to read/write to a certain > >> > >> file or files within the working system, but