Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread Dale
daid kahl wrote: I'm not 100% sure but I think eix-test-obsolete will find things like this. It will also scan the /etc/portage/package.* files and a few other things as well. Be forewarned, the output can be pretty . . . . large. lol It mostly depends on how out of date things are. Mine is

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.3.4 crashing after login

2009-12-05 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag 06 Dezember 2009 01:27:49 schrieb Kenneth Prugh: > On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:26:32 +0100 > Johannes Kimmel wrote: > > There's a discussion on the forum about this issue currently at > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=6085003 > > Reports that downgrading hal to 0.5.13-r2 fixes th

[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
You *might* want to look into OSS4 if your card is supported by it :P It will require a rebuild of many packages though ("oss -alsa" in make.conf) and it requires using non-portage packages from an overlay and rebuilding your kernel with sound support completely disabled. For what it's worth,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 05 December 2009 22:14:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > And world is important. world is the difference between 'installed > manually' and 'just a dependency'. What you are doing fucks this up. > Result: portage can not figure which package was installed because you > want it and wh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote: > Please read what I said & hopefully think briefly before responding. > If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge '; > if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 '. > That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch wha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Acer Core2Duo only sees 3G of RAM

2009-12-05 Thread Drew
Isn't the memory hole above 3GB present even in the 64bit systems? Something about the MMIO reservations for the PCI bus taking up the top gig of the first four Gigs? -- Drew "Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood." --Marie Curie

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:16 PM, daid kahl wrote: >> On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: >>> >>> Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. >> >> Where I come from, we use " | less" :p > > Meh, just > into /tmp and use anything you want to view it if you > really want to be hardcore. >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long

2009-12-05 Thread felix
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 11:45:43AM +0900, daid kahl wrote: > Well, I don't think "n" is really a syllable. It's a sound, and it's > the only part of the syllabary in Japanese that doesn't have a vowel. > I'm not really convinced this is a syllable in reality. It's certainly a syllable in their sy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
> I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do, > but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list > would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'. > My 'world' file contains  112  entries, incl  28  'sys' +  35  'kde'. > > Really, does something like t

Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for x86 or AMD64 disassembler

2009-12-05 Thread David Relson
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:29:50 -0700 Brandon Vargo wrote: > On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 19:33 -0500, David Relson wrote: > > I'm looking for a disassembler so that I can see the underlying > > assembly code in a variety of files, for example elf executables, > > DOS executables, binary files (such as the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
>> such as (I am guessing now) saw-umm-bee-yaw-koo.  To write Tokyo in >> the proper furigana is probably something like toh-o-kee-yoh-o. Oh, I should mention that this is in writing correct. But the yo is a subscript, so it's also a modifier, so the ki part isn't pronounced, it's modified into a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
> Our handling is simple -- we don't yet. I don't know how to handle > things like that, or the previous example of Copenhagen in different > languages. Look at Naples -- that's not what Italins call it. Venice > is really bad -- no idea how English got it so mangled. Speaking of > Japanese, th

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long

2009-12-05 Thread felix
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 10:58:59AM +0900, daid kahl wrote: > I'm curious about your handling of Japanese, just because I'm living > outside Tokyo these days. My grasp on Japanese is basically rubbish, > but I can at least claim to know a thing or two. Our handling is simple -- we don't yet. I d

Re: [gentoo-user] adobe air working for anyone?

2009-12-05 Thread Mike Mazur
Hi, On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 08:26, Grant wrote: > Has anyone gotten adobe air working?  I've got an .air file > (PandoraOne app) and I've installed adobe air from the ikelos overlay, > but I can't figure out how to run the app. I installed the Adobe AIR SDK downloaded directly from Adobe. I put i

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
>> >> alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like >> flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. > > Can you give us a URL for a flash movie so I can test? > Since I'm having trouble too, here is a youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAbMfg9_Uk Maybe you'l

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
> @Yoav Luft, I don't know if this is the same problem, maybe it doesn't > relate at all. You should start by checking that there's no pulseaudio or > something like that monopolizing the alsa output, because maybe the problem > is not alsa itself. But, if alsa is running alone, I'd start by checki

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Philip Webb
091205 Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> He's updating, so packages that need to be in world are already there. > If he is using the command he typed in, his world file is going to be huge. > He is doing the updates individually without a -u or a -1 or anything else. > That means every time he

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
> On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: >> >> Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. > > Where I come from, we use " | less" :p Meh, just > into /tmp and use anything you want to view it if you really want to be hardcore. Less is really crappy for emerges at console-login. It requ

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
> I'm not 100% sure but I think eix-test-obsolete will find things like this. >  It will also scan the /etc/portage/package.* files and a few other things > as well. > > Be forewarned, the output can be pretty . . . . large.  lol  It mostly > depends on how out of date things are.  Mine is usually

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
> I have a project which requires normalizing names, and by that, I mean > converting to lower case etc, whatever eliminates redundancies.  I > know Unicode has a different "normalize" meaning, but for my purposes, > that has already been done.  Maybe I should call it standardization or > make up a

[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread walt
On 12/05/2009 01:36 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. Can you give us a URL for a flash movie so I can test?

Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for x86 or AMD64 disassembler

2009-12-05 Thread Brandon Vargo
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 19:33 -0500, David Relson wrote: > I'm looking for a disassembler so that I can see the underlying > assembly code in a variety of files, for example elf executables, DOS > executables, binary files (such as the master boot record (MBR)), etc. [snip] > What do you all recommen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote: Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option shouldn't be used

[gentoo-user] Looking for x86 or AMD64 disassembler

2009-12-05 Thread David Relson
G'day, I'm looking for a disassembler so that I can see the underlying assembly code in a variety of files, for example elf executables, DOS executables, binary files (such as the master boot record (MBR)), etc. Portage doesn't seem to include any, leastways eix hasn't revealed any to me. Search

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.3.4 crashing after login

2009-12-05 Thread Kenneth Prugh
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:26:32 +0100 Johannes Kimmel wrote: There's a discussion on the forum about this issue currently at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=6085003 Reports that downgrading hal to 0.5.13-r2 fixes the issue (it did for me). signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-user] adobe air working for anyone?

2009-12-05 Thread Grant
Has anyone gotten adobe air working? I've got an .air file (PandoraOne app) and I've installed adobe air from the ikelos overlay, but I can't figure out how to run the app. - Grant

[gentoo-user] kde 4.3.4 crashing after login

2009-12-05 Thread Johannes Kimmel
Hi, after yesterday's update kde won't work anymore. After login I get a message, that plasma-desktop got an segfault. I tried to move the .kde folders somewhere else to start from a clean configuration, but it won't help. Starting kde as root ("startx -> startkde") works somehow. I'm little o

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > 091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > >> Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of > >> 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs > >> which have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Yoav Luft
alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > You didn't mention whether you tried running the alsasound service in order > to get dmix.  If enabled, it doesn't matter

Re: [gentoo-user] X fails after new install

2009-12-05 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 06:36:25PM -0500, dhk wrote > I started hald and rebuilt the drivers: startx still fails. I've hard-masked hal and dbus (and pam) in /etc/portage/package.mask and X runs OK. From your messages, I assume you've got some ATI card. What exactly is it? As root, can you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Philip Webb
091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: >> Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of >> 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which >> have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emer

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote: > Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very > familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case. > If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option > shouldn't be used either otherwise a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:12:01 -0600, Dale wrote: > That works too and I do use it sometimes. It is a must when in a plain > console tho. Of course some would argue for " | more" too. ;-) less is more, most is better :) -- Neil Bothwick Mac screen message: "Like, dude, something went wrong

[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
You didn't mention whether you tried running the alsasound service in order to get dmix. If enabled, it doesn't matter what sound device the apps want to open. On 12/05/2009 05:51 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access to sound device called

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:51:35 +0200, Yoav Luft wrote: > hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access > to sound device called "hw:0,0" and there for do not allow it to be > shared. MPD was one of them, and when I changed the setting in > mpd.conf to using "default" it works.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:47:18 +0200, App Des wrote: > On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:36 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 12/03/2009 11:23 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: >> > Hi, >> > On my dell Vostro 1520, with intel hda ICH9 82801I sound card >> > (xSTAC92HD71B3, according to /proc/asound/card0/codec), only

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:44:50 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 12/04/2009 03:12 AM, walt wrote: >> Most people don't have any need for more than one application to use >> the sound card at the same time. > > I was under the impression that it's quite the opposite. For example I > would still

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:36:36 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 12/03/2009 11:23 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: >> Hi, >> On my dell Vostro 1520, with intel hda ICH9 82801I sound card >> (xSTAC92HD71B3, according to /proc/asound/card0/codec), only one >> application can access the sound card at a time. Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On 5/12/2009, "Philip Webb" wrote: >Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing. >If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it. I've been using a separate partition on an existing machine to run a ~amd64 system for evaluation, and yesterday I got my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in > > case of problems only takes seconds. > > Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very e

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
>>>  2  pieces of advice to avoid such problems: >>> (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs; >>> (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag. >> I kindly disagree. > >> ~[arch] is testing for Gentoo ebuild.  It's considered stable upstream. >> This was an upstream bug, not a Gen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread Yoav Luft
hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access to sound device called "hw:0,0" and there for do not allow it to be shared. MPD was one of them, and when I changed the setting in mpd.conf to using "default" it works. The flash player, though, still tries to access the hardware

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time

2009-12-05 Thread daid kahl
>>> To say that a person only needs to hear one sound at a time is like >>> telling >>> someone to close one eye. >>> >> >> Hey man, you're display's only 2D.  What do you need that second eye for >> anyway? >> >> Regards, >> daid >> >> > > I say that because I have a bad eye.  I wish I could see g

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in > case of problems only takes seconds. Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very easily. -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers never die-they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread Dale
Marcus Wanner wrote: On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. Where I come from, we use " | less" :p Marcus That works too and I do use it sometimes. It is a must when in a plain console tho. Of course some would argue for " | more" too.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies

2009-12-05 Thread Marcus Wanner
On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. Where I come from, we use " | less" :p Marcus

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug

2009-12-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > > Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of > 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which > have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is > recommended, then indiv