Re: [gentoo-user] load too high

2008-02-12 Thread Florian Philipp
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 07:55 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb ext James: > > > I did not try this. what's the option to boot into single user mode? > > No need to boot, just "telinit 1" from a running system. And later switch > back to normal with "telinit 3".

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread KH
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Wael Nasreddine wrote: This One Time, at Band Camp, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 03:05:20PM +0200: On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Wael Nasreddine wrote: The x86_64 name is used by Red Hat

Re: [gentoo-user] eth0 = pcmcia + usb adapter

2008-02-12 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 13 February 2008, Simon Turner wrote: > Strange it took almost a day before I could see my post! Guess I was > "moderated"... > > Hi Mick, > Thanks for the reply. I've gone through about 4 kernel recompiles, > each time wondering with question marks over my head, sure I had > every

Re: [gentoo-user] load too high

2008-02-12 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb ext James: > I did not try this. what's the option to boot into single user mode? No need to boot, just "telinit 1" from a running system. And later switch back to normal with "telinit 3". HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Hal Martin
Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: > On February 12, 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: > So, the only good reason to move to amd64 is when you buy a 64 bit machine >>> I have 1G RAM and it's a laptop doesn't serve huge databases so I >>> guess despite if my CPU is 64 or 32 bits, I'll just

[gentoo-user] Re: load too high

2008-02-12 Thread James
James R. Campbell reliant-data.com> writes: > What processes have the most on cpu time as reported by a 'ps ax' ? not certain what your are asking. Here is the result of ps ax: # ps ax PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 1 ?Ss 0:00 init [3] 2 ?S< 0:00 [kthreadd]

Re: [gentoo-user] eth0 = pcmcia + usb adapter

2008-02-12 Thread Simon Turner
Strange it took almost a day before I could see my post! Guess I was "moderated"... Hi Mick, Thanks for the reply. I've gone through about 4 kernel recompiles, each time wondering with question marks over my head, sure I had everything compiled in... I ended up adding pretty much anything th

Re: [gentoo-user] layman -L does not show ecatmur, but I can layman -a ecatmur.

2008-02-12 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Feb 12, 2008 10:52 PM, Willie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:37:16PM +0800, Penguin Lover Mark David Dumlao > squawked: > > TOTALLY WEIRD. I do a layman -L on my machine and strangely enough, > ecatmur > > isn't listed. I think I've used it beore on layman though

Re: [gentoo-user] load too high

2008-02-12 Thread James R. Campbell
On Monday 11 February 2008, James wrote: > Hello, > > One of the workstations (amd64 2gig ram) has a load that never drops below > 1.0, as seen by top. Looking at a ps nothing stands out. I did notice that > 'X' is at the top of the list, even when the machine is quiescent (nobody > doing anything)

[gentoo-user] Re: load too high

2008-02-12 Thread James
Henry Gebhardt googlemail.com> writes: > Any ideas? > No.But do you also see this without X running, Yep, same load with X killed off without most daemons running, Yep in single user mode...? I did not try this. what's the option to boot into single user mode? What would it prove?

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
On February 12, 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > So, the only good reason to move to amd64 is when you buy a 64 bit > > > machine > > > > I have 1G RAM and it's a laptop doesn't serve huge databases so I > > guess despite if my CPU is 64 or 32 bits, I'll just stick with the 32 > > version, works gr

Re: [gentoo-user] [query] kernel-2.6.24 + ndiswrapper

2008-02-12 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, dell core2duo wrote: >but I am still getting WEXT errors. >Starting wpa_supplicant on wlan0 > ... > ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported > WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not > supported [ ok ] > th param 5 value 0x1 - >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: load too high

2008-02-12 Thread Henry Gebhardt
> Any ideas? No.But do you also see this without X running, without most daemons running, in single user mode...?

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Eric Martin
Grant wrote: I'm hoping to use the vpn in three few ways: 1. imap and smtp between my laptop and the mail server 2. ssh from my laptop to the remote server 3. cups printing from the remote server to the print server I don't think you need a VPN to SSH from your laptop to the remote s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Interrogate network for devices

2008-02-12 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Dale wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It turned out to be a simple matter of cycling the various > > modem/router PC s in the right order. Once I got the help desk it > > took about 2 minutes to get things resolved. It was setup right just > > needed to recycle t

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Boris Fersing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 03:06:13PM -0500: > On Feb 12, 2008 8:06 AM, Benjamen R. Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wael Nasreddine wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 10:31:30PM -0500, "Benjamen R. Meyer" <[EMAIL > > > PROTE

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 19:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Your statement "it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better > > > for security than running SSH on a non-standard port" is >

Re: [gentoo-user] eth0 = pcmcia + usb adapter

2008-02-12 Thread Mick
On Monday 11 February 2008, Simon Turner wrote: > Hi, > I'm having trouble installing gentoo on my old laptop... It says it > can't find the interface eth0. I believe it has to do with the fact I > have a pcmcia card with usb ports on which a usb2eth adapter is > plugged. > > On another syste

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:42:44 +0200 Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What about having ssh, imap, smtp, cups, and possibly a non-standard > > https port all hidden within a VPN?  Should that be considered a > > benefit of running a VPN? One other thought about ssh+vpn, if you have VP

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Boris Fersing
On Feb 12, 2008 8:06 AM, Benjamen R. Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wael Nasreddine wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 10:31:30PM -0500, "Benjamen R. Meyer" <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> As you have an Intel Core Duo, you should have the EMT64E version - > >> Intel's version of the A

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT again..] Technical networking question about changing GW

2008-02-12 Thread Dan Farrell
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:23:15 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> I wanted to try to gauge if there was much of a noticeable > >> difference with the two IP connections. And it would be handy to > >> just step through the links changine the GW intermitt

[gentoo-user] Re: load too high

2008-02-12 Thread James
Miguel Peña Gomez linuxhelp.cl> writes: > atop 3 > filter by "p" ATOP - galiot 2008/02/12 14:49:183 seconds elapsed PRC | sys 0.01s | user 0.09s | #proc130 | #zombie0 | #exit ? | CPU | sys 1% | user 3% | irq 0% | idle197% | wai

[gentoo-user] Re: load too high

2008-02-12 Thread James
Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > One of the workstations (amd64 2gig ram) has a load that never drops > > below 1.0, as seen by top. Looking at a ps nothing stands out. I did > > notice that 'X' is at the top of the list, even when the machine is > > quiescent (nobody doing anything). Suspic

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Benjamen R. Meyer
Wael Nasreddine wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 10:31:30PM -0500, "Benjamen R. Meyer" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> As you have an Intel Core Duo, you should have the EMT64E version - >> Intel's version of the AMD64 instruction set - thus x86-64 compatible. > >> Best place to check is Intel

Re: [gentoo-user] [query] kernel-2.6.24 + ndiswrapper

2008-02-12 Thread dell core2duo
Hi, Some updates. with the help of following links, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_BCM43xx http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=647273&highlight=b43 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649038 http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43?action=show&redirect=en%2Fusers%2FDrivers%2Fbcm4

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Grant wrote: > I need temporary, but automated. Can an ssh tunnel be set up in an > automated way? Sure. Can you write bash scripts? Can you read man pages? Just work out what command invocations do what you require and stick them in a script. Cron the script if

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Grant wrote: > > Use SSH if you need a quick ad-hoc connection or something > > temporary. Use OpenVPN if you need something more permanent that is > > always prsent and just works. > > I need temporary, but automated. Can an ssh tunnel be set up in an > automated way

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Perhaps confusingly, ssh itself can be used to create openVPN-like > > VPNs (actually, much simpler), using the -w option and a couple of > > tun (or tap) interfaces on the connected computers. > > hehehe, I'd forgetten about that one for a bit

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yup, it does seem way over the top.  Surely though there is some > rhyme to the reason.  Man pages are such a large part of the very > essence of unix.  It seems a serious shame that a user is better off > googling for `linux man ping' than th

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Wael Nasreddine wrote: > This One Time, at Band Camp, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 03:05:20PM +0200: > > On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Wael Nasreddine wrote: > > The x86_64 name is used by Red Hat and other distros. There are all > >

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Grant wrote: > > Even if you just want to encrypt some clear-text protocol that > > doesn't have an encrypted equivalent, a vpn is still overkill. For > > that you use ssh tunneling (which is essentially the same thing as > > an encrypted version of a protocol). 'ssh -X

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Grant
> > > Your statement "it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better > > > for security than running SSH on a non-standard port" is > > > non-sensical. From a security and encryption perspective, ssh and > > > OpenVPN are exactly the same thing - stuff wrapped in an encryption > > > layer provide

[gentoo-user] Re: No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Code like this makes me want to vomit. The > OS-that-shall-not-be-named pulls stunts like this, I really think FLOSS > stuff should be better. > > So, I have to emerge an entire sgml kit to generate a man page. Wow. > Especially since last time I loo

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Your statement "it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better > > for security than running SSH on a non-standard port" is > > non-sensical. From a security and encryption perspective, ssh a

Re: [gentoo-user] Error in network commands in root mode

2008-02-12 Thread Markus Schönhaber
dell core2duo wrote: > No, its not due to proxy. > See the output below. > -- > flukebox driver # wget yahoo.com > --2008-02-12 22:30:56-- http://yahoo.com/ > Resolving relproxy.iitk.ac.in... 172.

Re: [gentoo-user] [query] kernel-2.6.24 + ndiswrapper

2008-02-12 Thread dell core2duo
Hi, I complied the kernel buitin broadcom drivers. So now, I have a interface named "wlan0_rename". But things are still not working for me. flukebox flukebox # iwconfig lono wireless extensions. eth0

Re: [gentoo-user] No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > Short answer: according to Changelog, use USE=doc for iputils until > next version of iputils comes out (but be prepared to pull in *lots* > of stuff meanwhile). > > Somewhat longer answer: read > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158660 >

Re: [gentoo-user] Error in network commands in root mode

2008-02-12 Thread dell core2duo
Hi, No, its not due to proxy. See the output below. -- flukebox driver # wget yahoo.com --2008-02-12 22:30:56-- http://yahoo.com/ Resolving relproxy.iitk.ac.in... 172.31.1.233 Connecting to relprox

Re: [gentoo-user] No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone else noticed there is no man page for ping? I know I've looked > up things in man ping in the past, maybe quite far in the past and > possibly even on a different distribution, but still I thought maybe > my man page setup was borked b

Re: [gentoo-user] No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread Willie Wong
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:12:47AM -0500, Andrey Falko wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008 11:06 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone else noticed there is no man page for ping? I know I've looked I have a ping manpage. > There is a -doc use flag, which if problably disabled by default. > USE="do

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Wael Nasreddine
This One Time, at Band Camp, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 03:05:20PM +0200: > On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Wael Nasreddine wrote: > > Let's say this processor supports 64 bits, what whould I gain from > > migrating to x86_64 I mean would it be faster??? I've neve

Re: [gentoo-user] No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread Andrey Falko
On Feb 12, 2008 11:06 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone else noticed there is no man page for ping? I know I've looked > up things in man ping in the past, maybe quite far in the past and > possibly even on a different distribution, but still I thought maybe > my man page setup was borked b

[gentoo-user] No ping man page

2008-02-12 Thread reader
Anyone else noticed there is no man page for ping? I know I've looked up things in man ping in the past, maybe quite far in the past and possibly even on a different distribution, but still I thought maybe my man page setup was borked but looking at: equery files net-misc/iputils (which contains

Re: [gentoo-user] Fake IMAP -> Real IMAP

2008-02-12 Thread Grant
> > I still can't send mail though, with or without > > authentication. I get this when port scanning with nmap: > > > > 25/tcp filtered smtp > > > > Does that mean my host is blocking the smtp port? > It's possible. Or, perhaps you're behind a firewall without > >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Error in network commands in root mode

2008-02-12 Thread Markus Schönhaber
dell core2duo schrieb: > Whenever I am trying to do ssh/telnet/emerge --sync in root mode it gives > me error saying "Connection Refused: Forbidden". while same works fine in > user mode. > Below are some examples . [...] > flukebox flukebox # wget yahoo.com > --2008-02-12 19:50:15-- http://yaho

[gentoo-user] Error in network commands in root mode

2008-02-12 Thread dell core2duo
Hi, Whenever I am trying to do ssh/telnet/emerge --sync in root mode it gives me error saying "Connection Refused: Forbidden". while same works fine in user mode. Below are some examples . -- -

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Grant
> > > I don't think you need a VPN to SSH from your laptop to the remote > > > server -- SSH is already encrypted. > > > > For sure, but it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better for > > security than running SSH on a non-standard port or even port > > knocking. If I need to set up a VPN fo

Re: [gentoo-user] layman -L does not show ecatmur, but I can layman -a ecatmur.

2008-02-12 Thread Willie Wong
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:37:16PM +0800, Penguin Lover Mark David Dumlao squawked: > TOTALLY WEIRD. I do a layman -L on my machine and strangely enough, ecatmur > isn't listed. I think I've used it beore on layman though, so I look up the > overlays listing on the gentoo overlays list, here: >

Re: [gentoo-user] Fake IMAP -> Real IMAP

2008-02-12 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 07:18:50PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dan Farrell squawked: > > I've been waiting and waiting and waiting forever for DSL to come to > > my neighborhood just so that I can switch to a decent provider and rid > > myself of this nonsense. > > Don't assume DSL will be better. They

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to hardened

2008-02-12 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:24:49PM +0100, Penguin Lover Alex Schuster squawked: > I emerged -e again, this time without distcc and ccache. All compiled fine, > except for media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc2_p24929-r1 (vf_decimate.c:26: error: > can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm')

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Your statement "it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better for > security than running SSH on a non-standard port" is non-sensical. > From a security and encryption perspective, ssh and OpenVPN are > exactly the same thing - stuff wrapped i

[gentoo-user] Error in network comment in root mode

2008-02-12 Thread dell core2duo
Hi, Whenever I am trying to do ssh/telnet/emerge --sync in root mode it gives me error saying "Connection Refused: Forbidden". while same works fine in user mode. Below are some examples .

Re: [gentoo-user] load too high

2008-02-12 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: 443-653-1569 wrote: On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: atop 3 filter by "p" WOW!!, this atop program is great, one of the best diagnostic tools I've seen. Why haven't I heard more about it? Bill Roberts What package provides that command? Dale :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: load too high

2008-02-12 Thread Michael Schmarck
Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 443-653-1569 wrote: >> On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: >> >>> atop 3 >>> >>> filter by "p" >>> >>> >>> >> >> WOW!!, this atop program is great, one of the best diagnostic tools I've >> seen. Why haven't I heard more about it? >> >> Bill

Re: [gentoo-user] load too high

2008-02-12 Thread Dale
443-653-1569 wrote: On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: atop 3 filter by "p" WOW!!, this atop program is great, one of the best diagnostic tools I've seen. Why haven't I heard more about it? Bill Roberts What package provides that command? Dale :-) :-) -- g

Re: [gentoo-user] load too high

2008-02-12 Thread 443-653-1569
On 23:27 Mon 11 Feb , Miguel Peña Gomez wrote: > > > atop 3 > > filter by "p" > > > > El lun, 11-02-2008 a las 19:49 +, James escribió: > > Hello, > > > > One of the workstations (amd64 2gig ram) has a load that never drops below > > 1.0, as seen by top. Looking at a ps nothing stand

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fake IMAP -> Real IMAP

2008-02-12 Thread Dale
Grant wrote: I've been waiting and waiting and waiting forever for DSL to come to my neighborhood just so that I can switch to a decent provider and rid myself of this nonsense. Don't assume DSL will be better. They often block ports too (as you said, it's well within their service agr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fake IMAP -> Real IMAP

2008-02-12 Thread Grant
> >> I've been waiting and waiting and waiting forever for DSL to > >> come to my neighborhood just so that I can switch to a decent > >> provider and rid myself of this nonsense. > > > > Don't assume DSL will be better. They often block ports too > > (as you said, it's well within their service a

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Wael Nasreddine wrote: > Let's say this processor supports 64 bits, what whould I gain from > migrating to x86_64 I mean would it be faster??? I've never > owned/worked on a 64bit machine before so excuse my lack of knowledge > > :) Please stop using the x86_64 nomencl

Re: [gentoo-user] OpenVPN setup

2008-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Grant wrote: > > I don't think you need a VPN to SSH from your laptop to the remote > > server -- SSH is already encrypted. > > For sure, but it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better for > security than running SSH on a non-standard port or even port > knocking.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fake IMAP -> Real IMAP

2008-02-12 Thread Eric Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant wrote: > I still can't send mail though, with or without > authentication. I get this when port scanning with nmap: > > 25/tcp filtered smtp > > Does that mean my host is blocking the smtp port? It's possible. Or,

RE: [gentoo-user] Installation of binary packages

2008-02-12 Thread Suma Sharma
Hi We were able to install the cross compiler binary packages. The commands used were as follows:- $ echo cross-${CTARGET} >> /etc/portage/categories $ emerge -k binutils $ emerge -k gcc $ emerge -k glibc $ emerge -k linux-headers The above series of commands installs the cross compiler packages p

Re: [gentoo-user] Which arch do I have ?

2008-02-12 Thread Wael Nasreddine
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 10:31:30PM -0500, "Benjamen R. Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As you have an Intel Core Duo, you should have the EMT64E version - > Intel's version of the AMD64 instruction set - thus x86-64 compatible. > Best place to check is Intel's website - here's what I found:

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia-drivers failing to install because kernel tree not found

2008-02-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:32:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > You forgot to reboot to run the new kernel That shouldn't be necessary. You can install and compile a new kernel then re-emerge nvidia-drivers before rebooting. The drivers are built for the kernel linked from /usr/src/linux, not the runn

[gentoo-user] layman -L does not show ecatmur, but I can layman -a ecatmur.

2008-02-12 Thread Mark David Dumlao
I'm currently dual-booting a machine that I'd like to shift completely to gentoo, but I left an ubuntu installaiton in the other disk (where I hope to transfer my gentoo). However, my brother has been downloading some torrents for weeks on end, and their sessions have been left alive in the gnome-