Duncan posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below,
on Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:20:56 -0700:
> I have no reason to believe reiser4 will be added in the next couple
> releases, either, so 2.6.15 or later I'd guess, tho I have no exclusive
> info on it to cause me to think that.
Th
er I don't have access to that list, AFAIK, so I don't know for sure)
need to be aware of, and consider switching to.
Pardon me if it's come up before and/or is being dealt with, but I've not
seen it covered yet here, and again, don't have access to core. A quick
bugs che
Xavier Neys posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:10:31 +0200:
> The license you noticed has been hardcoded in the XSL that transforms
> the glsa into the text version. It sould be updated.
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become staff anyway, with only one person expressing reservations, and if
that person chooses not to, they effectively simply become an individual
forum mod, who happens to have mod rights in /every/ individual forum, so
nothing's lost but the name, IMO a fair sacrifice to the democratic vote
to become
erver, so there should be little chance of confusion with "official"
packages, particularly if there's a policy in place (I haven't seen one
but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist) to clearly mark any HTML formatted
anchor tags with non-obfuscated descriptions and U
ossibly all of kde core,
everything in kde-base). They want all of kde core kept nice and
manageable under kde-base, and I don't blame them one bit, considering how
the tarballs are delivered from upstream.
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ay things work. So, yeah, ten new in what
amounts to one shot... it SHOULD be giving people a bit of the shivers.
If it's not, those folks must either not be concerned about security, or
they've lost their edge.
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xists today. If it's not the profiles
causing the issue, it'll be some other incompatibility causing headaches,
and whether or not they can be overcome, from-stage-X is simply going to
be less of an issue, and be easier to support, because others will have
likely run into similar proble
86
scripting all their life would be with ppc64 bitness AND endianness
issues. That's a LOT of developer infrastructure we are talking about
creating and supporting, and a LOT of developer resources that therefore
won't be available for other things, when developer resource shortages
/alrea
rom late last year! It's
still talking about 3.4 being the last feature release of the 3.x series,
but as I said, I now see talk of a 3.5 before 4.0. At least Qt-4.0 is out
now, so KDE-4.0, based on it, shouldn't be /too/ far away.
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Dan Armak posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:52:42 +0300:
> On Saturday 02 July 2005 18:47, Duncan wrote:
>> Dan Armak posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
>> below, on Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:33:34 +0300:
>> > At least arts is
if the .installed file is there.
Unfortunately, while ebuild creates the file, it doesn't skip that step
if it exists, as it does with .unpacked, .compiled, etc.)
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and if you use t
mind due to bug 98175, udev-061's
user/group mixups, today). You could try replacing the NAME= with NAME:=.
According to the documentation, the := assignment cannot be overwritten,
so that should make your name stick, with newer udevs, anyway. I think
that functionality is rather new, t
e-excluded
This wouldn't delete locally rsync-excluded files/dirs, I hope. Rather
than use the default package and source dirs, I have them as pkg and src,
rsync-excluded so they don't get killed. I'd be very unhappy if they got
killed anyway!
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folks for using the severity descriptions as a guide?
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a name, all
> later rules with a NAME key will be ignored.
Indeed. I guess /that/ part of the documentation was /not/ fresh on my
mind, due to today's owner/group bug. =8^(
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Gregorio Guidi posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:05:53 +0200:
> On Thursday 07 July 2005 22:15, Duncan wrote:
>> Simon Stelling posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
>>
>> Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:49:04 +0200:
>> >
Nathan L. Adams posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:42:23 -0400:
> Duncan wrote:
>>
>> Well, not blocker , but ...
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73181
>>
>>
> This brings up a point that really irks me. In
tive, for those that have gotten beyond the
single choice on a single page at a time, approach (and there is).
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pt the duplicate thing, by saying why this one is
different or why the problem reoccurred. For those unable to trace the
technical details, simply saying the same problem appears to occur with a
new version, or still occurs for them with the old version, or whatever,
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specific request by the package maintainer/herd or your arch team. If you
are reading this, it probably means leave it alone."
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t could happen would be that my non-default
/etc/profile, simply a hook into my own config, would be overwritten by
the default. That's simple enough to fix, if so, because there's only the
single (tested) command in my version, easy enough to create from scratch
if I fat-finger thin
;ll need to re-digest the changed version, and anything in
FILESDIR it uses will need to be moved to the overlay FILESDIR, or an
attempted merge of the package with an overlay copy existing will fail,
(IOW, it will prefer the overlay copy and fail if the digest doesn't
match, even if a digest
n York
http://lwn.net/Articles/142754/
I haven't tried out any of the apps mentioned, yet, but I'm likely to, at
some point.
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from both sides. Unfortunately,
when one side has resorted to kill filing the other, it's very difficult
to get an apology through, and yes, then it's time to involve a third
party, the reason devrelations is there. Ideally, both sides ultimately
learn from the situation, making the
rocedures in
place for marking an ebuild TESTED and requesting moving from unkeyworded
to ~arch, and from ~arch to stable (for amd64 ATs, here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/tests/index.xml ), but there do
not appear to be any such procedures outlined for normal ~arch users, at
least tha
er testing might not be quite so reliable
(tho one should expect most but not all here are devs, and theirs would
be), and keywords aren't quite so obvious to users, so the distinction
should be useful. Additionally, will these keywords show up on the
initial pre-filing searches?
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need the flame war that could ensue from a discussion thereof on this
list. =8^|
Resisting the temptation to say more...
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safe, and
since the config version would be a Gentoo-only arbitrary number, I'd say
make that a major version change.
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Zac Medico posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri,
22 Jul 2005 08:52:18 -0700:
> Duncan wrote:
>> Zac Medico posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
>> Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:10:25 -0700:
>>
>>
>>>This could be an optional fea
necessity be displayed, leaving the user to figure out the relevant
cutoffs instead of doing it automatically as emerge -pl does with the
portage tree changelogs, but it'd still be a rather easier way to view
upstream changelogs before installation (or for that matter, after) than
we have now.
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le continuing to maintain compatibility
by keeping the base.eclass functionality around.
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ntoo user, then,
because being a Gentoo user by definition means being a sysadmin, truly
enjoys both the responsibilities and privileges of system administration.
Again, if that's /not/ the case, one really should be reexamining their
choice of Gentoo, as it's really not the best fit distributi
86 (and amd64, but since all of
those have sse, that means only x86 has the issue since only on it is sse
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ou find the
unsubscribe instructions for a Gentoo list, under the lists link on the
Gentoo site, isn't it? It's not as if you go to an MS Office site, or one
for the Interior ministry of China, or something, to find instructions for
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Mike Frysinger posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted
below, on Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:58:09 -0400:
> On Wednesday 10 August 2005 04:15 pm, Duncan wrote:
>> Eric Clapprood posted
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>
>> excerpted below, on Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:53:2
aid,
it's one way to explain the resistance to your argument, in any case,
regardless of whether it's the direct viewpoint of any dev, or not. The
devs are volunteers, resulting in a situation rather different than if
they were paid to do it. However, if they were paid to do it, it wou
r post), was "Oh, brother! You don't have any
idea!" That as I was physically shaking my head. I don't know where you
got the idea that Gentoo's a cathedral at all, as it sure looks to be a
bazaar from this viewpoint. You /totally/ lost me with that one. I
couldn't d
#x27;s goal in mind. You've demonstrated some
initiative, certainly, but not the ability to read well the situation and
make the best of it, politically and otherwise.
(Said as a user, not a devel, myself. I've been asked to become an AT,
and intend to do so in time, but am deliberate
er the
circumstances. (FWIW, I prefer GPL, so there's no question that's how I'd
license it if it were me, but it's not, so that doesn't count.)
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MIPS devs and users are willing to live with that
problem on MIPS, but neither x86(32) users nor amd64 users (and by this
I'm including devs, which are obviously users as well) are interested in
being saddled with an unnecessary problem, when the current situation
avoids it, or I expect the amd
a clue about how it can be done, now, something I was lacking
the "Eureka moment" necessary to grasp, previously. =8^) Now I can at
least intelligently follow the debate.
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do AMD64. There
are many there, both users and devs, quite willing to help, and it's
certainly more a topic for there than for here. So... while Gentoo devs
are usually pretty nice about answering anyway, and I'm replying here as
well so maybe they won't have to and can keep
The only remaining thing then, is to put enough info into the warning to
let the admin take the appropriate action. Pointing out the virtual it's
affecting seems like enough info to me. If that's not enough for some
folks, perhaps they'd be better off keeping it around, just in case.
broken state it was in, as I can't imagine that
being anything but frustration, to those responsible for the ebuilds
wrongly listed, due to a broken script. (Not that my personal opinion
means a lot as "just" a user, on a dev list, but FWIW, whatever /that/ may
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us conversations the comment may be referencing) to guess
much further.
Anyway, welcome, Chris! Just a user (tho a regular dev-group/list
follower) here, but more devs to make toys for me to play with are
/always/ welcome! =8^)
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igh the costs of putting it off, is something I'm not going to even
pretend I want to evaluate. =8^| If you portage devs believe it's easy
to "make it so", perhaps further discussion is warranted. If not, I'm
not in favor of putting off the next portage yet /again/ to make
er
three to switch to Gentoo, after I'd decided to go for it. In both cases,
however, there was no going back, and I had and practiced the knowledge
many others take years to build. Likewise with AT, it's taking me months
to get there, but I expect I'll be good at it when I get there,
was "Homonym" :)
Aye... Makes sense now!
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terms of clarity and ease of use (or maybe not, as the PHP example points
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t distribution, it will follow
that most of them will also be comfortable with how Gentoo treats the LSB,
because to treat it differently would mean compromising part of the
priorities that help make Gentoo what it is.
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iance. That will set
>> the bar to require UTF-8 capable editors for portage work.
>
> Confirmed.
Hmm... I've never seen this one mentioned, and use it a lot...
Does mcedit properly handle UTF-8? I /do/ see 8-bit is an option.
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doubt what was considered ready for testing of the upstream-package, as
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from the booze or whatever may be clouding his judgement), before he
starts emerging stuff.
So... for these sorts of things, I'd say treat them like build and
boostrap, display them, but document the consequences of messing with them
equally well.
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stuck with reiser3 to this point. (reiser4 has been unstable on amd64,
I've been told.) That may change in the next few months, however, as I'll
probably get a new disk (I've lots of space left, but this one has some
badblocks due to overheating during an A/C malfunction) and am considering
taking the opportunity to transfer to reiser4.
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e use eclasses as well, but the kde ones especially should
be instructive for their use of the kde eclasses to handle the various
split functionality, if you decide to go with eclasses for part of it.
Just because it might be of help...
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window with reiser4, because as I explained in a previous post, it's
more literally atomic commits than traditional journalling.
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billing, the mailing list, in addition to
any proposed "class" site).
Subject known ahead, original lecture, Q/A and interactive lab session
a few days later, review and followup a few days after that at the next
lecture period, similar to a Uni class with a weekly lecture and separate
lab,
D images, but I've never used
it personally and haven't chanced to see that specifically stated in
threads such as this that I've come across, so can't say for sure.
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and will probably take a couple days to recuperate after that before
attempting modular-X again. However, it's a pretty safe bet I'll be
trying it before the end of next week!
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Rather,
the "option" would be to /not/ have support compiled in, and that's
/exactly/ what the no* USE flags express in this case, just as it's
/exactly/ what the nocxx USE flag expresses. Doing it any other way is,
as stated, counterintuitive to the way portage normally works, and
whole process was finished in 10
> minutes.
Note that if you use ccache or the like, and it was fairly close to
completion when it was killed, the 10 minute emerge wouldn't be unusual in
any case, because it wasn't redoing all that work compiling, but simply
pulling it out of cca
at doesn't hold for the other announcements on
the front page, and I've wondered myself why some of them aren't making it
to the announce list.
As for the forums, "I'm familiar with the concept." I don't spend
enough time in them, however, to comment on that ang
rly written and posted early
> enough, I see no problem with that.
That's an idea that fits the way Gentoo tracks everything else. Bug it!
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t, would put it on par with the
gentoo.org front page. It may actually get more circulation than the
front page. (That said, as others have posted, if more news gets posted
to the front page, those unique IP counts will probably go up accordingly.
LWN and others could easily grab from there, as
SAs,
and of course GWN. LWN probably gets the GLSAs and release
announcements thru the announce list (and likely gets GWN thru its list),
so would cover other news, if posted to announce, as well.
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lear" using an approach similar to the above. Anybody not getting the
message after delivery to all /those/ places... should be considered not
WANTING to get the message, as they've demonstrated just that by their
actions, if not their words.
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h UTF-8 instead of specifying 7-bit ASCII
as does 822. Alternatively, MIME/Quoted-printable could be specified,
which would allow for escaped 8-bit chars, as I'd /assume/ UTF-8
requires, given the -8. (I /said/ I'm not up on that!)
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r global USE flags and having all sorts of stuff "break" as
a result.
So each package would still have its single flag, but they'd be different
for each package, to prevent "accidents" like the above.
Then again, this arguably belongs in the "you get to keep the pi
he fact that it's in the overlay not the main tree has
added a barrier of its own.
It could also be argued whether the general main tree policy should be
"maintainer's discretion" or not. Obviously, it's that way already in
practice. Should we tighten up QA or make
Mike Frysinger posted on Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:57:50 -0500 as excerpted:
> well, not quite. the way we agreed in the past was to not revbump the
> masked package, but once it was unmasked, we revbump it just once at
> that point.
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makes sense, and it does or Gentoo wouldn't be using it, at least on
complex packages/suites with enough change going on to warrant close
maintainer attention, live ebuilds closely following upstream's many
between-release changes make sense as well.
And getting those live ebuilds out the
e USE_EXPAND?
It's the same CPU extensions type of thing on PPC, if I'm not mistaken.
Does profile-mask work for USE_EXPAND? Because it just seems strange to
me to see all those CPU extensions in their own USE_EXPAND and see altivec
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length, that might be nice, too. However I recognize that's easy to say
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-emptytree and/or --deep depending on
what you're intention is)?
There's also the --debug option. Check the manpage... (and the user list
is likely more appropriate for stuff like this).
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as by doing so
we avoid the three year clause entirely. =:^) Are we always ensuring that
source availability in every act of (L)GPLed binary distribution? That's
the BIG question, as it avoids at least the legal obligation (tho
retention can be useful for practical reasons) of worryin
choose to browse the generic
version or the user/dev specific listings, as they wished.
Tho with layman being the interface most will see and use in general,
labels in the browser interface would probably do. I just prefer the
filesystem layout distinction, especially if it's as trivial
Tomáš Chvátal posted on Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:59:53 +0100 as excerpted:
> If ebuild contains ~noarch in KEYWORDS it is not permitted to contain
> anything else.
/If/ we're going to go this route, at least noarch plus -arch, so archs
can at least opt-out.
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Ciaran McCreesh posted on Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:36:59 + as excerpted:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:27:57 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Tomáš Chvátal posted on Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:59:53 +0100 as excerpted:
>> > If ebuild contains ~noarch in KEYW
oups just as I know it
works for other files, and believe it would be a bug if it didn't.
However, if for whatever reason it does /not/ work, I know the
rsync.exclude functionality works as I depend on it every time I sync. =:^)
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s similar definitions, including specifically the person usage, and
individual/creature usage.
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hat sort of major sponsorship, regardless of who or
what form, would change the historically "community distribution" aspect
substantially enough that arguably, that would be "Gentoo, Jim, but not as
we know it", as well. But at that point I guess it'd be a questio
ugs on it! But you didn't /say/ you modified
it, and people who disable that stripping aren't the sorts of folks the
news items are written for anyway as they're /entirely/ on their own, so
it's not like that'd be a concern, here.
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doing over and over like that, much as I've built up my own emerge and
git-kernel fetch/build/install helper scripts.
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ll. The problem has since been fixed
and I've upgraded past it, since.
If that hadn't worked, I'd have tried the untar-the-binpkg-over-the-live-fs
thing. Either that, or the boot to backup snapshot, set ROOT
appropriately, and emerge from there.
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less we're going to change all the others to build none
if they're unset, I'd say the package should build all possible if CAMERAS
isn't set.
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ends to be, altho I'm not sure that'd work in
practice as I'm unsure of the effects on the metadata cache and whether
that would be allowed or not.
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lers could complain about (and change) bugs filed as
"confirmed" as they assign them. The message should eventually get out,
and having a second user confirm the bug could actually be quite useful
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eason than to keep it open.
Arguably, a year might be better, or possibly six months, but certainly,
the auto-close message should urge the user to re-open if it's still
appropriate. But I'm not sure even that will go over well. Maybe two
years or five years... because arguably at f
least, things are rolling along remarkably smoothly ATM. =:^)
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Mike Frysinger posted on Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:06:36 -0400 as excerpted:
>> # The patch wil be fetch from:
>
> wil -> will
While you're at it, s/fetch/fetched/
IOW:
# The patch will be fetched from:
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"Every nonf
tage/env/*, as I already do for
-combine, in my default CFLAGS but not CXXFLAGS, for instance.
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dge that gap, and we owe
them a lot of gratitude for it, the more so as we see all that effort
paying off. =:^)
Thanks!
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on-gentoo users" mentioned a
couple times in bugs, etc, but had no clue who that might be. Now there's
at least some idea.
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le Gentooers should find much they already know
in the new system. It's certainly not the change that switching to
systemd, for example, would be.
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ementation
deal I as an admin don't want or need to care about. What difference will
it make in the way my system boots and how will that be better, that's
what I as an admin want to know.
(That said, the above can surely be improved as well. The ideas conveyed
are better I believe,
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