Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Mikle Kolyada
07.05.2017 22:23, David Seifert пишет: > TL;DR > ia64/ppc/sparc teams are pretty much dead. They have been for a long > time and this won't change any time soon. Gentoo should focus its > resources on archs that are important and has the manpower to support. > Let us please drop these 3 archs to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Thomas Deutschmann
On 2017-05-07 21:23, David Seifert wrote: > TL;DR > ia64/ppc/sparc teams are pretty much dead. They have been for a long > time and this won't change any time soon. Gentoo should focus its > resources on archs that are important and has the manpower to support. > Let us please drop these 3 archs to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > Against. Do not touch things you are not working on, council has already > dropped m68k s390 and sh to exp few years ago. Now we have a big mess > there and only, while ia64 sparc and co have slow but progress and > mature enough stable profi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > It isn't like security project adds any additional load to any arch > team, an architecture capable to keep up with normal keyword and > stabilization requests should also be able to keep up with security. What about arches that use st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 8 maja 2017 15:27:18 CEST, Dirkjan Ochtman napisał(a): >On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Mikle Kolyada >wrote: >> Against. Do not touch things you are not working on, council has >already >> dropped m68k s390 and sh to exp few years ago. Now we have a big mess >> there and only, while ia64 s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: >> >> It isn't like security project adds any additional load to any arch >> team, an architecture capable to keep up with normal keyword and >> stabilization requests should also be ab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag, 8. Mai 2017, 12:49:32 CEST schrieb Mikle Kolyada: > > Against. Do not touch things you are not working on, council has already > dropped m68k s390 and sh to exp few years ago. Now we have a big mess > there and only, while ia64 sparc and co have slow but progress and > mature enough stab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Mikle Kolyada
08.05.2017 21:55, Andreas K. Huettel пишет: > Am Montag, 8. Mai 2017, 12:49:32 CEST schrieb Mikle Kolyada: >> Against. Do not touch things you are not working on, council has already >> dropped m68k s390 and sh to exp few years ago. Now we have a big mess >> there and only, while ia64 sparc and c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread David Seifert
On Mon, 2017-05-08 at 13:49 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > Against. Do not touch things you are not working on, council has > already > dropped m68k s390 and sh to exp few years ago. Now we have a big mess > there and only, while ia64 sparc and co have slow but progress and > mature enough stable pr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread David Seifert
On Mon, 2017-05-08 at 22:08 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > We have appropriate hardware if people wanna do the work, jut go & > make > things better :), I do not think someone from existing arch teams has > something against that Ok so let me get the logic right: 1) Arch teams can add their keywor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Mart Raudsepp
Ühel kenal päeval, E, 08.05.2017 kell 22:08, kirjutas Mikle Kolyada: > > 08.05.2017 21:55, Andreas K. Huettel пишет: > > Am Montag, 8. Mai 2017, 12:49:32 CEST schrieb Mikle Kolyada: > > > Against. Do not touch things you are not working on, council has > > > already > > > dropped m68k s390 and sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Mikle Kolyada
08.05.2017 22:21, David Seifert пишет: > On Mon, 2017-05-08 at 22:08 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: >> We have appropriate hardware if people wanna do the work, jut go & >> make >> things better :), I do not think someone from existing arch teams has >> something against that > Ok so let me get the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> > I have not seen the draft of proper reverting these arches to exp or > dev, if it will be like sh or s390, better kill the horse like debian > did to alpha and hppa, without riding it. The current state of sh and s390 happened because vapier suggested the profiles should become "exp". My o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag, 8. Mai 2017, 21:08:26 CEST schrieb Mikle Kolyada: > > The easiest solution is for the arch team to remove keywords until they > > have a reasonable response time again. And if the arch team doesn't do > > that by itself, well, ... > > > > Having one-man teams block everybody else hurts

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-08 Thread Yury German
Rich, Core should be fine to have a system that at least boots. And security still tracks ~arch's to get the system secured by removing vulnerable packages as time permits. We can not have an arch though blocking the security of the whole distribution because we can not call for cleanup or releas